Death to the class system?

cmetzger93

Imagine in a perfect world where everything was balanced nothing was OP would you like to cherry pick your skills from a pool rather than be stuck with the skills your class comes with?

DoonerSeraph

Yes

First, separate the lines Warden Style, one for each role. Then let people choose lines, a dps could pick 3 different lines from other classes. You get the idea.

DieAlteHexe

No

And the "Primal Balance Screams" would be bawled throughout the land....

DoonerSeraph

Yes

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

And the "Primal Balance Screams" would be bawled throughout the land....

Hey, sacrifices must be made right?

DieAlteHexe

No

DoonerSeraph wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

And the "Primal Balance Screams" would be bawled throughout the land....

Hey, sacrifices must be made right?

No.

DeadlyRecluse

No

There isn't a situation where I can imagine cloak, streak, and breathe of life existing on the same character with anything resembling fairness.


Or scorch+sap+inhale (with proxy thrown in for flava).

Aebaradath

No

Kuramas9tails

No

W....whut?

No.

NO.

NOO!

Edit: PLEASE try and convince me otherwise. I want to know the thought process behind this idea.

DoonerSeraph

Yes

Merlin13KAGL

No

Free build, like the true Morrowind, is never going to happen in this environment.

They'd have to completely rework the entire game, and you've never seen imbalance like the imbalance such a system would create.

TheShadowScout

cmetzger93 wrote: »

Imagine in a perfect world where everything was balanced nothing was OP would you like to cherry pick your skills from a pool rather than be stuck with the skills your class comes with?

I am imagining it...
...gah!
Now everyone was running the very same build with only the "best" skills, how boring!

On a more serious note - yeah, I get what you are thinking about, and it would have been nifty if they had made ESO that way. They might have to avoid any "best" or "super-effective" skills to prevent the "clone wars" horros that would make an MMO as boring as playing playing poker with only aces in a deck...

However, that ship has sailed, been set on fire and sunk a looong time ago.

And the people at ZOS certainly won't throw away their game and code an entirely new system at this point. So it makes little sense to even think about it.

If they ever make something else though... "FallOut Online" for example... then we all can hope to get a completely classless system!

srfrogg23

No

I think that works well in single player games where you can have broken overpowered builds and it won’t affect anyone else, but in MMOs it would all just end up being homogenized into “Do you want your 10,000 damage ability that looks like a green bird or a lightning bolt?”

I played TSW, and that’s pretty much what it was, a massive list of abilities that all did pretty much the same things.

VilniusNastavnik

No

You're not fooling me, Karl.

Coatmagic

It's a nice thought, but it would kill any true competition. Many enjoy the competitive aspects of this game, and access to all skill trees cannot be suitably implemented in an environment where such competition exists

strangeradnd

No

Within a month there would be even less variety than there is now.

Nyladreas

No

I feel like all these people wanting to unify the skill system need to git gud.

Joy_Division

No

It would lead to stupidly OP broken builds.

For as much as I despair how much my templar has been gutted and nerfed, if I were allowed to be able to cherry pick the Critical Surge skill, I'd be a lot stronger. And that's not even considering adding things like Cloak and Shimmering Shield.

Nihility42

No

This would lead to zero build diversity. Everyone would run the exact same meta build. Everyone likes to imagine it'd be a crazy, open world full of wildly unique builds. It wouldn't. It'd be all made up of whatever BIS combination Alcast found.

Lynx7386

No

No.

As much as it differs from the single player elder scrolls games, the class system in ESO is necessary and adds more to the game than it detracts.

The only time a no-class system worked in an MMO, that I've seen, was with pre-cu starwars galaxies, and even then you were limited to basically two and a half skill lines, and you had to invest points in the entire skill line to get the best skills. Here, where you just unlock the top skills and can use them separate from the rest of the tree they're in, it would lead to extremely OP skill combinations and inevitably unforseen interactions between abilities.

Not to mention that a revamp of the entire class system would cost a huge amount of time, money, and effort from ZOS developers, with very little, if any, return on the investment. It's a bad game decision as well as a bad business decision.

geonsocal

Yes

but only for my characters

xaraan

No

No.

Would kill what little diversity there is in game.

As it is, build a stam or mag dps of different classes and half your skills are still the same across builds - do this and then every skill would be the same.

It would also make the game harder to balance and limit zos's ability to put interesting effects on some abilities b/c they'd have less control over what they combined with.

Waffennacht

Each ability would have to be really nerfed

rustic_potato

No

I wonder why people think that perfect balance is actually possible in this game.

strangeradnd

No

rustic_potato wrote: »

I wonder why people think that perfect balance is actually possible in this game.

It is only achievable by making everyone the same. The heck with that, I'ld rather be unbalanced.

jedtb16_ESO

No

TheShadowScout wrote: »

cmetzger93 wrote: »

Imagine in a perfect world where everything was balanced nothing was OP would you like to cherry pick your skills from a pool rather than be stuck with the skills your class comes with?

I am imagining it...
...gah!
Now everyone was running the very same build with only the "best" skills, how boring!

On a more serious note - yeah, I get what you are thinking about, and it would have been nifty if they had made ESO that way. They might have to avoid any "best" or "super-effective" skills to prevent the "clone wars" horros that would make an MMO as boring as playing playing poker with only aces in a deck...

However, that ship has sailed, been set on fire and sunk a looong time ago.

And the people at ZOS certainly won't throw away their game and code an entirely new system at this point. So it makes little sense to even think about it.

If they ever make something else though... "FallOut Online" for example... then we all can hope to get a completely classless system!

fallout on line?????

where do i sign..... take my money now.

LittlePinkDot

No

This sounds boring. Everyone will be the same.
Just go play Halo.

idk

No

OP describes the most boring MMORPG in the world. One build for all dps, if they went to be decent. Yes, that’s the game I wouldn’t pay for. Lol

AdamBourke

Yes

I think that classes should... mostly... go away.

That is, they should act more like oblivion, where they improve certain skillines, but you can still choose from all of them. Maybe give a 20% buff to skills currently in the skillines - and maybe have a single class skill line for passives only

This way casuals would have choice of anything they want, but min maxers would need to still choose their class carefully...

jrgray93

No

Classes actually create more diversity. There are a few signature moves you'd see EVERYONE use if class restrictions were removed. It would be even more of a homogenized mess.

TheShadowScout

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

fallout on line?????

where do i sign..... take my money now.

Sadly, so far that one is only a fan-dream. But I expect in fullness of time, it too will come. Can't really see them not making an FallOut themed MMO someday when they run out of other stuff... (I just hope they will take the opportunity to really push the envelope of a "M" rating with that one, the wastelend is supposed to be all violent and naughty! And I loved how the old FallOuts 1&2 depicted that, with themes other games often shy away from...)

By the way, when we are talking Fallout... money is a thing of the past!

jedtb16_ESO

No

TheShadowScout wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

fallout on line?????

where do i sign..... take my money now.

Sadly, so far that one is only a fan-dream. But I expect in fullness of time, it too will come. Can't really see them not making an FallOut themed MMO someday when they run out of other stuff... (I just hope they will take the opportunity to really push the envelope of a "M" rating with that one, the wastelend is supposed to be all violent and naughty! And I loved how the old FallOuts 1&2 depicted that, with themes other games often shy away from...)

By the way, when we are talking Fallout... money is a thing of the past!

i agree... a word of caution though.... if it comes i don't think bethesda will accept bottle caps...