Chapter II: Summerset - Lore Speculations...

Seraphayel

Unfortunately I don't know much about ESO lore but playing the first two zones in the Aldmeri Dominion gives some hints that the Maormer are up to something. They want to conquer Summerset and are most likely heading towards Alinor.

At the same time where in midst of the Daedric War storyline that will bring us to the home of the Altmer.

Are Maormer allied with some Daedric forces? Is Ayrenn asking for help because the Maormer are about to conquer (and maybe destroy) Alinor/Artaeum? What do you think?

Robo_Hobo

Maomer and Sload might be working together. Who knows if they're getting involved with Daedra too, but I wouldn't put it past Mephala to plot something or other that involves them. Willingly, or even knowingly though, I don't know.

firedrgn

I bet there is going to be some people im desperately asked to kill. And lots of talking .
I am fletching some arrows as we speak. I see no reason to give anyone a chance to defend themselves .

The rest i will pickpocket and if any give me any trouble it will be blade of woe for them.

Just kidding im going to kill them all.

Shezzarrine

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

Maomer and Sload might be working together. Who knows if they're getting involved with Daedra too, but I wouldn't put it past Mephala to plot something or other that involves them. Willingly, or even knowingly though, I don't know.

I thought this until I remembered how much they hate each other, they hate one another as much as they hate the other races of Tamriel.

Darkstorne

It's the established lore for architecture that makes the Summerset Isles such a ballsy setting for ZOS. They angered lore fans at launch already with how Auridon was presented visually, and relied on "it's not mainland architecture on this isle" as a defence. Now it's time to see them prove that

I was really impressed with the detail put into Vivec, Balmora, and Ald-Ruhn, so I'm genuinely feeling positive that Alinor will be something really special, and ZOS will prove they can deliver the goods when they spend a whole year focused on one province's visual identity.

Official lore: "A forbidden city for nearly fifty years, Alinor is both capital of the Summerset Isles and the heart of the Aldmeri Dominion. Human traders were only allowed at its ports, and they described the city as 'made from glass or insect wings.' Less fantastic accounts come from the Imperial emissaries of the Reman Dynasty, which describe the city as straight and glimmering, 'a hypnotic swirl of ramparts and impossibly high towers, designed to catch the light of the sun and break it to its component colors, which lies draped across its stones until you are thankful for nightfall."

Hence why there was so much disappointment at launch when a lot of us were expecting Altmer architecture focused on glass and crystal designed to reflect and refract light, but got cement blocks instead

Narvuntien

The Sload are allied with Molag Baal (domination)... while the Maomer did seem to be in with Maerhuns Dagon (destructive revolution)

I am looking forward to seeing some of the stuff that was leaked as the original plans for summerset. Magical leylines being messed with knocking the constellations out of alignment.. Due to Maomer necromancers.

but more importantly I want to see more from Altmer society. I want to see the Kinhouses in conflict. They fight and scheme as much as the Dumner houses, where do you think they got the idea from? The Altmer have a viciously rigorous aristocratic system... where do you think the Bretons got it from? Where families align with the gods they believe they are descendant from. Ayrenn of course descendant from Auriel. They are obsessed with breeding and perfection.

Only the aristocrats even have last names in Altmer society... which if you look at the parrallel but different paths Varnius and Manimarco took after leaving/kicked out of the Psijic Order.
Varnius is a spoilt rich kid probably from a long line of mages descendant from Magus himself... you can see it in his attitude.
Rejects that only the psijics should jealously guard the secrets of magic and seeks out to teach the world to use it. Sees himself the hero to all man and mer.

Manimarco...immense magical talent scouted out by the Psijics, he doesn't have a last name he was probably of meager circumstances. Finally gets some semblance of power, realises his power but does not consider ethics and delves ever deeper to prove himself better than all the spoilt rich kids. Only to go far too far and is kicked out and humiliated now seeks to enact revenge against the Psijics but turning over the world to daedra, to work against everything they do.

I am sure it wont be as good as my head cannon.... but if we are going to visit the Psijics I think learning more about Varnius Gelrion and Manimarcos earlier years has got to be key hook.

TheNuminous1

Narvuntien wrote: »

Varnius is a spoilt rich kid probably from a long line of mages descendant from Magus himself... you can see it in his attitude.

this is untrue. he was a peasant. not even allowed to learn to read. and you spell his name wrong the entire time.

Vanthras79

I hope we get to learn why the heartland high elves left Summerset. I know what was said/speculated already, but I wonder if there is/was more to it.

neverwalk

ESO LIVE will tell us about new Chapter tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. Pacific and 4:00 p.m. Eastern.

Vrienda

I predict Sload, Maomer, the Crystal Tower (Likely the central plot point seeing as it’s so important to the lore of the world) and the return of a certain charming Breton.

Oh and possibly Mannimarco’s return and events from certain in-game books from future elder scrolls games taking place.

ereboz

Very shortly after the White Gold Tower events, Queen Ayrenn returns to Summerset to deal with the maomer invasion and announces the end of the alliance war. That'd be pretty huge but it would require changing the entire PvP system. Either way, STOKED for tomorrow's announcement

BigBadVolk

Seraphayel wrote: »

Unfortunately I don't know much about ESO lore but playing the first two zones in the Aldmeri Dominion gives some hints that the Maormer are up to something. They want to conquer Summerset and are most likely heading towards Alinor.

At the same time where in midst of the Daedric War storyline that will bring us to the home of the Altmer.

Are Maormer allied with some Daedric forces? Is Ayrenn asking for help because the Maormer are about to conquer (and maybe destroy) Alinor/Artaeum? What do you think?

I'd may even add the Veiled Heritance to that list, we know that they probably still operate in Summerset

Kajuratus

Darkstorne wrote: »

It's the established lore for architecture that makes the Summerset Isles such a ballsy setting for ZOS. They angered lore fans at launch already with how Auridon was presented visually, and relied on "it's not mainland architecture on this isle" as a defence. Now it's time to see them prove that

I was really impressed with the detail put into Vivec, Balmora, and Ald-Ruhn, so I'm genuinely feeling positive that Alinor will be something really special, and ZOS will prove they can deliver the goods when they spend a whole year focused on one province's visual identity.

whats concerning is that when asked about Summerset and the High Elves back in 2012, and if we would see buildings made of glass, the answer was "The architecture of the High Elves is fanciful, certainly, but it’s also practical, constructed of real-world materials. Architects can’t make buildings out of poetry!" This of course is a ridiculous response, since in Morrowind we have buildings made from the shell of a giant Emperor crab, and giant mushroom towers where wizards live. What I'm afraid of is that they will continue along this mindset of "realistic" architecture and the only reason that Vvardenfell was so alien and weird was because they had no excuse to not make it like that, since TES III exists. Hopefully the team at ZOS has changed their stance on this though, because for me, this is a large part of what makes Summerset so fascinating. The fact that the Summerset Isles are so alien, but instead of being weird alien, beautiful alien makes it such an enticing land to visit. I would also liken the quote to a similarly ridiculous claim, made by me right now, "glass armour? Pfft, blacksmiths can't make armour out of poetry!"

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Vrienda wrote: »

and the return of a certain charming Breton.

Which is not much of a prediction seeing as it's been datamined. Unless you're referring specifically to the Chapter as opposed to future content in general.

I'm more inclined to think that's for future DLC after the Chapter, unless they do away with making the Chapter a new starting point - what happens to him is something of an important quest event, and spoiling it in the Chapter questline would simultaneously confuse the new players who haven't finished it and ruin the outcome of said quest for them.

Vanthras79

Raz

JakelDK

If Vanus is indeed intended to make a return come next chapter i only whish that ZOS portray him with the dignity deserving of such an important and interesting character throughout the lore of TES, and not the silly giddy teenage approach they took to in vanilla ESO.

JD2013

Leylines. Make it so.

Tapio75

Lore speculations you say?


Propably something that does not belong to this time like dragons or Tibe sSeptim time traveling to become a god or something.. Perphaps a Ferengi ship will land on the isle and it will be the new awesome thing that replaces the crown store with more lore friendly greedy ferengi way of life.

After all, no estavlished lore is sacred, when MMO is in action, as long as it looks cool and makes profit, its good lore.

ArchMikem

Y'know that https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/lore exists right?

VerboseQuips

JakelDK wrote: »

If Vanus is indeed intended to make a return come next chapter i only whish that ZOS portray him with the dignity deserving of such an important and interesting character throughout the lore of TES, and not the silly giddy teenage approach they took to in vanilla ESO.

Oh I agree! This actually pissed me off a lot in the Coldharbour questline!

Seraphayel

JakelDK wrote: »

If Vanus is indeed intended to make a return come next chapter i only whish that ZOS portray him with the dignity deserving of such an important and interesting character throughout the lore of TES, and not the silly giddy teenage approach they took to in vanilla ESO.

Oh god yes please. The portrayal of Vanus Galerion in ESO is ridiculous. His storyline in Coldharbour is ridiculous. He deserves something better.

Aethereal'Golden

https://elderscrolls.net/2018/03/21/22467-eso-summerset-novye-podrobnosti-izobrazheniya-i-data-vykhoda/

Griffin pet? I wonder if there are bigger ones for riding. However, I'm a bit disappointed, still nothing about unicorns (but some shadow murderous steeds instead). Quen from TG once said to Velsa that her father owned some unicorns.

Cinbri

Aethereal'Golden wrote: »

https://elderscrolls.net/2018/03/21/22467-eso-summerset-novye-podrobnosti-izobrazheniya-i-data-vykhoda/

Griffin pet? I wonder if there are bigger ones for riding. However, I'm a bit disappointed, still nothing about unicorns (but some shadow murderous steeds instead). Quen from TG once said to Velsa that her father owned some unicorns.

Nightmare senche mount..

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Aethereal'Golden wrote: »

Quen from TG once said to Velsa that her father owned some unicorns.

@Aethereal'Golden Where was this? Just random chatter in the Guild or part of a quest?

Faulgor

Darkstorne wrote: »

I was really impressed with the detail put into Vivec, Balmora, and Ald-Ruhn, so I'm genuinely feeling positive that Alinor will be something really special, and ZOS will prove they can deliver the goods when they spend a whole year focused on one province's visual identity.

Oh boy, what a letdown.

psychotrip

Faulgor wrote: »

Darkstorne wrote: »

I was really impressed with the detail put into Vivec, Balmora, and Ald-Ruhn, so I'm genuinely feeling positive that Alinor will be something really special, and ZOS will prove they can deliver the goods when they spend a whole year focused on one province's visual identity.

Oh boy, what a letdown.

Reading this is just depressing.

Vuldovahkriid

Definitely Vanus vs Mannimarco Round 2, under the Ceporah Tower. They say the end to the story started in the base game(Planemeld) all the way to Clockwork. So it would make sense to have Mannimarco come back, and maybe obtain his true Lich powers. It be even crazier if it revealed Ayrenn to be undead/an imposter herself(which really wouldn't make sense given all her trials to become Queen), but she did disappear for awhile, so maybe some deal made long ago is now ready to be cashed in on.

Chaos2088

To my knowledge of lore is the Altmer and Maormer have been fighting since the kicking out/divide of the elves that created the two different factions/races.

In the future, past the timeline of this game the Maormer are allies to a future Dominion. So I do not think the Maormer would do/did anything too horrific to the Altmer. But hey anything can happen.

Faulgor

Urgh. So according to Rich in one interview, there's a rift in Altmer society because of Ayrenn's decision to open the borders. The Court of Bedlam represents the traditionalists side and are the antagonists (e.g. at the Abyssal Geysers), and apparently they are allied with Mephala.

So we have another story of Daedric corruption in Altmer society. The most anti-Daedra there ever was.

Not only is it Auridon 2.0, it's especially flabbergasting that the traditionalist Altmer would side with Daedra. If anyone, it should be Ayrenn. Her agenda of change in Altmer society and domination of Tamriel fits Mehrunes Dagon's sphere actually pretty well.

But maybe I'm wrong and there'll be a twist. Mephala's the great deceiver, after all.

BigBadVolk

Faulgor wrote: »

Urgh. So according to Rich in one interview, there's a rift in Altmer society because of Ayrenn's decision to open the borders. The Court of Bedlam represents the traditionalists side and are the antagonists (e.g. at the Abyssal Geysers), and apparently they are allied with Mephala.

So we have another story of Daedric corruption in Altmer society. The most anti-Daedra there ever was.

Not only is it Auridon 2.0, it's especially flabbergasting that the traditionalist Altmer would side with Daedra. If anyone, it should be Ayrenn. Her agenda of change in Altmer society and domination of Tamriel fits Mehrunes Dagon's sphere actually pretty well.

But maybe I'm wrong and there'll be a twist. Mephala's the great deceiver, after all.

without spoilers: the court of bedlam is a daedric cult more then the veiled heritance was (estre just used Dagon to help her cause, at least during the coldharbour quest the daedric game master says that Estre made numerous deals with daedric princes in the past)
but the vh is hard to say, I'd say half of them were cultist, while half of them were supremacists, and probably after Greenshade the cultist part joined the Court while the supremacists either gave up or will have a small role in the island but I doubt it
also If I remember correctly, the prologue quest we fight one member, and he was a dark elf

Azurya

summerset is the atlantis of tamriel, if we don´t save it, it will disappear in the waves of the ocean.