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Sorcs and their summons
Dellarie
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Why can we only summon lousy scamps, clanfears and matriarchs? If you parallel this with single TES games it would be equivalent of apprentice level of conjuration, which is a joke considering the status of Vestige in the lore. We should be able to summon high-ranking dremora, daedroths, attronachs and the like.
Edited by Dellarie on March 20, 2018 3:46PM 1
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
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Like a Storm Atronach?Why can we only summon lousy scamps, clanfears and matriarchs? If you parallel this with single TES games it would be equivalent of apprentice level of conjuration, which is a joke considering the status of Vestige in the lore. We should be able to summon high-ranking dremora, daedroths, attronachs and the like.
On a serious note, probably just because they didn't want one class to have all these epic powerful summons and someone else to just get flappy wings.
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SkillzMFG✭✭✭✭But you can summon a Storm Atronach which is the strongest Atronach out there if I'm not mistaken?0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Scamps are certainly not lousy. The matriarch that has increased damage for high health targets is also good.
As for the single player TES games there is much one can do developing a single player game that will not work in an mmorpg ans this game has been billed first and For most an MMORPG.0 -
red_emu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭But you can summon a Storm Atronach which is the strongest Atronach out there if I'm not mistaken?
Incorrect. The strongest one is a Lagtronach. It kills instantly!PC - EU:
Falathren Noctis - AD MagNecro
Falathren - AD StamSorc
Falathren Eryndaer - AD StamDen
Falathren Irimion - AD MagPlar
Talagan Falathren - AD StamDK
Falathren Infernis - AD MagDK
Your-Ex - AD MagBlade1 -
Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭It does feel quite underwhelming to be using the same summon models at 50, as you were using at level 5.1 -
GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭
you are welcomePC/EU 800 CP.
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LMar✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can summon daedroth and a hunger too. You just need the right gear xDEdited by LMar on March 20, 2018 3:55PM"If a stick of fish is a fish stick, it will stick like other fish sticks stick"
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Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The summoning would be awesome if it didn’t take 2 to 4 bar slots and didn’t have that awkward 1.5 second channel along with the artificial snare attached to it.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.2 -
Ladislao✭✭✭✭✭Why can we only summon lousy scamps, clanfears and matriarchs? If you parallel this with single TES games it would be equivalent of apprentice level of conjuration, which is a joke considering the status of Vestige in the lore. We should be able to summon high-ranking dremora, daedroths, attronachs and the like.
You are able to summon Storm Atronach (ulti), Daedroth (Maw of the Infernal set), Hunger (Defiler set) as well. Plus a lot of different types of creatures: bound armor (Bound Armor skill), Dwemer machines (Sentinel of Rkugamz and Engine Guardian sets), animated weapon (Morkuldin set) and some plantlike creature (Chokethorn set).
It's just what I remember, and what players can summon directly (NPCs can also summon another creatures, spirits and even bound weapon). Explore the game
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You can summon a little ball of light for 2 seconds..Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭I don't have any ideas about the scamp/clanfear but if the matriarch was replaced with the twilight mob from IC, that would be freaking awesome. He wouldn't need to deal top damage or anything, but teleporting around, attacking players and providing some sort of utility would be great.
Scamp/clanfear, these guys should be available from the sets, and the first summon should be something a little bit more 'tougher' I guess.
However, if spell crafting comes, pretty much everyone will be able to become a summoner, since conjuration will be in the game.0 -
To be fair in previous TES games, yeah you could summon daedroths and dremora but only for like 20-30 seconds at a time. You couldn't even summon scamps indefinitely, so the fact that vestige can pull a storm atronach while simultaneously having a twilight and a scamp out permanently (and occasionally bringing a daedroth and hunger out if you've got the right gear) would put them above the PC in previous games.1 -
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✭I've always felt the in-lore reason was because magic as far as it goes for the public is still fairly new. Before the Mages guild was founded only just a couple hundred years ago, magic was mostly limited to Psijics and people wealthy and lucky enough to be chosen to be taught by them, or the rare few who learned from other means. It makes sense that something that is considered a large and powerful feat now is pretty commonplace in a thousand years from now.0 -
Psyonico✭✭✭Sauce_Revolution wrote: »To be fair in previous TES games, yeah you could summon daedroths and dremora but only for like 20-30 seconds at a time. You couldn't even summon scamps indefinitely.
except for thralls0 -
Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭I want to play a necro, that can summon undead, like the bloodthorn cultists do.
Let's make it happen!1 -
Giraffon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I wish we had some color choices. I'm tired of purple.Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!1 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Drachenfier wrote: »I want to play a necro, that can summon undead, like the bloodthorn cultists do.
Let's make it happen!
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Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭ParaNostram wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »I want to play a necro, that can summon undead, like the bloodthorn cultists do.
Let's make it happen!
Necromancy bestromancy!
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Kingslayer513✭✭✭✭✭
✭I do really want to see other ability-based summons (not proc sets), but I think the Sorcerer is limited by ZOS's decision to make them entirely storm themed. The sorc toolkit involves wind and electricity. The pets are based around shock (and some generic magic dmg) - so thematically a fire-breathing daedroth wouldn't fit in, let alone the other elemental attronachs.
There could be some summons that would fit in the sorc's theme, and I especially like the idea of adding in a third morph for all class abilities in the future. That way, sorcs could finally get a true stamina-based dps pet in the form of a greatsword wielding dremora or something. Other variety could be added in as the third morphs as well.
Side note: I was very sad that Wardens weren't able to summon Frost attronachs...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Winged Twilights were actually a master level conjuration spell in TES:III Morrowind.
Not sure if the OP simply forgot that or conveniently omitted it.
Edited by Taleof2Cities on March 20, 2018 8:06PM1 -
SilverIce58✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LegendaryMage wrote: »I don't have any ideas about the scamp/clanfear but if the matriarch was replaced with the twilight mob from IC, that would be freaking awesome. He wouldn't need to deal top damage or anything, but teleporting around, attacking players and providing some sort of utility would be great.
Umm, how about instead of changing the matriarch (bc she's the only other pet with heals besides my clanfear), we change the twilight tormentor morph (that nobody uses) to a (smaller) Grievous Twilight, have it do physical damage, and have it scale with stamina?
Another change I'd support is to change the Charged Storm Atronach to an Air Atronach that also does physical damage, but the duration is the same.
I think it'd be funny if Sorcs first pet was a Banekin and it came with the little lightning ball ability the enemy banekin use, and it could morph into a scamp or clanfear later on. Like a sense of evolution or something.
Oh and here's all the daedra in the game in case you don't remember what certain ones look like: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:DaedraEdited by SilverIce58 on March 20, 2018 8:15PMPC - NACP 1125
Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC0 -
Violynne✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'd like my sorc the ability to summon a bowl of noodles.
Can't find noodles anywhere in this game.0 -
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✭I just wish they were very clearly different in appearance from daedra that are at the dolmen.0
