Mounts should have effect in game

Maura_Neysa

I think the kind of mount you choose should have an effect in game. Currently Speed, Carry Capacity, and Stamina all have 60 points, totaling 180 all together. I'm suggesting that each type of mount have those 180 points distributed differently. From what I have gathered there are 12 types of mounts, Horse, Senche, Lion, Sabre Cat, Gaur, Bears, Camels, Wolves, Kagouti, Elks, Dwarven Spiders, Nix Ox. For simplicity I think several should be combined

Here is my suggestion

Mount - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | Speed | Carry | Stam | Totals |
Senche, Lion, Sabre - - - - - - - - - - - | - 80 - - | - 50 - | - 50 - | 180 |
Wolves, Kaguoti - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | - 70 - - | - 50 - | - 60 - | 180 |
Specials (Dwaven Spider, Nix Ox) | - 60 - - | - 60 - | - 60 - | 180 |
Horse, Elk - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | - 50 - - | - 70 - | - 60 - | 180 |
Camels, Guar - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | - 50 - - | - 80 - | - 50 - | 180 |
Bears - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | - 50 - - | - 50 - | - 80 - | 180 |
Balance - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | - 360 - | - 360 | - 360 - | - - - |

Just an idea, with some numbers attached that made sense to me. The Carry Capacity would have to work just like losing ESO Plus. Your items stay in your pack, but you cant add anything else until you go back below the capacity of your current mount. Yes I realize this would get abused slightly. Still its only 20 spaces.

What do you all think? Is the trade off in Cyrodiil of speed to the battle vs ease of being knocked off your horse worth it? Would everyone just always ride Senches everywhere. Is 30 points difference between the best and worst to big or to small a difference?


So can’t turn it into a poll after the fact, but here you go

• Different mounts should have different stats
• Mounts should all have the same stats. This is a terrible idea
• Different mounts should have different stats, but the numbers are off.
• Mounts should have differences but not stats
• The only thing wrong with mounts is that there are no Goats

Lieblingsjunge

I agree that it would be logical with this kind of set-up on Mounts. But at the same time, I don't. Since not every mount-type is available to purchase with gold, you could argue that the game is P2W, since ifyou wanted a high capacity mount, you would have tobuy it with crowns.

And I disagree with your current splitof things, too. A guar shouldn't have the same carry as a camel. Have you seen how tiny the guar is??! o.o
A horse should run faster than a camel imo.

Except your numbers, It would be interesting to have somethng like this.

Maura_Neysa

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I agree that it would be logical with this kind of set-up on Mounts. But at the same time, I don't. Since not every mount-type is available to purchase with gold, you could argue that the game is P2W, since ifyou wanted a high capacity mount, you would have tobuy it with crowns.

And I disagree with your current splitof things, too. A guar shouldn't have the same carry as a camel. Have you seen how tiny the guar is??! o.o
A horse should run faster than a camel imo.

Except your numbers, It would be interesting to have somethng like this.

I put Guar and Camel together because they both seemed like pack animals. I also debated on whether Horses should just stay the standard 60/60/60. Thats also why I put the Nix Ox and Spider there, if they are P2W. It does sound a little bit like you do think most would go for speed though. My hope was that it would be more like Imperial, which is good, but not P2W

Illurian

No, they shouldn't. The different types of mounts are purely aesthetic, and should stay as such.

It is a bad idea both from a corporate view point and a consumer view point.

As a consumer, I don't want my options to be limited to Senche just because it's the fastest. If I want to ride a camel, I should be able to and not be penalized for having different tastes.

From a corporate view point, limiting the choices of your community on something that is widely bought with real currency (crowns) makes no sense, since that would mean lower cash inflow. Everyone would just buy 1 Senche for all characters and never buy more mounts because even though they look pretty, they aren't functional.

Not to mention the backlash ZOS would get from people who have already bought different mounts from the crown store as aesthetic choices.

Bad, bad, bad idea overall.

Delpi

That would be great if every type of mount were available in-game with gold, but they're not.

Chilly-McFreeze

Do you want to see nothing but Senches in Cyrodiil? Because that's how you get nothing but Senches in Cyrodiil.

And what happens when I have a Guar equipped, my inventory is full and I change my current mount to something with less pack space?

Maura_Neysa

Delpi wrote: »

That would be great if every type of mount were available in-game with gold, but they're not.

So add them in. Why couldn't the stables, or even just certain ones have other types.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Do you want to see nothing but Senches in Cyrodiil? Because that's how you get nothing but Senches in Cyrodiil.?

That would be why I asked that question too. Would it lead to all Senche? Personally, I value Stamina most, but I know that isn't most people view point

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

And what happens when I have a Guar equipped, my inventory is full and I change my current mount to something with less pack space?

Answered that too, just like losing ESO Plus, items would stay in there but you couldnt add anything until you where under again. And yes people would probably abuse it some.

Illurian wrote: »

No, they shouldn't. The different types of mounts are purely aesthetic, and should stay as such.

It is a bad idea both from a corporate view point and a consumer view point.

As a consumer, I don't want my options to be limited to Senche just because it's the fastest. If I want to ride a camel, I should be able to and not be penalized for having different tastes.

From a corporate view point, limiting the choices of your community on something that is widely bought with real currency (crowns) makes no sense, since that would mean lower cash inflow. Everyone would just buy 1 Senche for all characters and never buy more mounts because even though they look pretty, they aren't functional.

Not to mention the backlash ZOS would get from people who have already bought different mounts from the crown store as aesthetic choices.

Bad, bad, bad idea overall.

Even if thats true that everyone just wants Senche, (which would be bad) Why wouldnt they still want different types? I mean people want the current the Shadow Rider Senche even though they have other ones already. Yeah some people would stop at one. Personally I wouldn't.

One of my questions was if that was balanced. I for one, think Stamina is pretty d*** nice too. Besides, not everything is about Cryodiil. And Cryodiil is the only place where Speed means anything more then luxury.

Illurian

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Even if thats true that everyone just wants Senche, (which would be bad) Why wouldnt they still want different types? I mean people want the current the Shadow Rider Senche even though they have other ones already. Yeah some people would stop at one. Personally I wouldn't.

You clearly enjoy Senches. Not everyone does. You are effectively creating a situation where people will have to use Senches if they want maximum speed, which means using a type of mount they may not like. Builds are already pigeon holed for effectiveness, it would be a sad day for Tamriel if mounts are too. Your argument that "people can use different kinds of Senches, therefore have options" is the same as saying that people can wear different kinds of chains, therefore they are free.

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

One of my questions was if that was balanced. I for one, think Stamina is pretty d*** nice too. Besides, not everything is about Cryodiil. And Cryodiil is the only place where Speed means anything more then luxury.

It's funny you mention stamina and then say that not everything is about Cyrodiil in the same breath. Stamina is even more worthless in overland content, since your mount can keep sprinting regardless of running out of stamina. With the Dark Brotherhood passive (Shadow Rider) your aggro radius becomes much lower, so you won't be attacked by any mobs while speeding through maps. Senches would be the best choice here too under your system.

You mention balance, but your suggestion would bring anything but. Currently, mounts are completely and unequivocally balanced, as they have the exact same stats. If balance is truly what you're interested in, you can delete this thread.

Maura_Neysa

Illurian wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Even if thats true that everyone just wants Senche, (which would be bad) Why wouldnt they still want different types? I mean people want the current the Shadow Rider Senche even though they have other ones already. Yeah some people would stop at one. Personally I wouldn't.

You clearly enjoy Senches. Not everyone does. You are effectively creating a situation where people will have to use Senches if they want maximum speed, which means using a type of mount they may not like. Builds are already pigeon holed for effectiveness, it would be a sad day for Tamriel if mounts are too. Your argument that "people can use different kinds of Senches, therefore have options" is the same as saying that people can wear different kinds of chains, therefore they are free.

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

One of my questions was if that was balanced. I for one, think Stamina is pretty d*** nice too. Besides, not everything is about Cryodiil. And Cryodiil is the only place where Speed means anything more then luxury.

It's funny you mention stamina and then say that not everything is about Cyrodiil in the same breath. Stamina is even more worthless in overland content, since your mount can keep sprinting regardless of running out of stamina. With the Dark Brotherhood passive (Shadow Rider) your aggro radius becomes much lower, so you won't be attacked by any mobs while speeding through maps. Senches would be the best choice here too under your system.

You mention balance, but your suggestion would bring anything but. Currently, mounts are completely and unequivocally balanced, as they have the exact same stats. If balance is truly what you're interested in, you can delete this thread.

Actually I like horse most, and Bears and Wolves not so much, even though I set there stamina higher. Of course I bigged the numbers based on lore/logic. Rather than the mount I wanted most. Either way, discussion what I wanted. Though there has only been one other sort-of agreement. I suppose I could have attached a vote to it.

antimawkish

In the early days of ESO, mounts actually did offer different attributes. You had one horse to get max speed, another to get your capacity, etc, and they started with different bonuses in each iirc. It was kind of unpleasant in general, especially because you had to train each mount individually rather than having it tied to your character. I was very glad when they changed these attributes to be trained by your character instead, even though I lost plenty of gold from redundant mount training in the process.

Illurian

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Even if thats true that everyone just wants Senche, (which would be bad) Why wouldnt they still want different types? I mean people want the current the Shadow Rider Senche even though they have other ones already. Yeah some people would stop at one. Personally I wouldn't.

You clearly enjoy Senches. Not everyone does. You are effectively creating a situation where people will have to use Senches if they want maximum speed, which means using a type of mount they may not like. Builds are already pigeon holed for effectiveness, it would be a sad day for Tamriel if mounts are too. Your argument that "people can use different kinds of Senches, therefore have options" is the same as saying that people can wear different kinds of chains, therefore they are free.

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

One of my questions was if that was balanced. I for one, think Stamina is pretty d*** nice too. Besides, not everything is about Cryodiil. And Cryodiil is the only place where Speed means anything more then luxury.

It's funny you mention stamina and then say that not everything is about Cyrodiil in the same breath. Stamina is even more worthless in overland content, since your mount can keep sprinting regardless of running out of stamina. With the Dark Brotherhood passive (Shadow Rider) your aggro radius becomes much lower, so you won't be attacked by any mobs while speeding through maps. Senches would be the best choice here too under your system.

You mention balance, but your suggestion would bring anything but. Currently, mounts are completely and unequivocally balanced, as they have the exact same stats. If balance is truly what you're interested in, you can delete this thread.

Actually I like horse most, and Bears and Wolves not so much, even though I set there stamina higher. Of course I bigged the numbers based on lore/logic. Rather than the mount I wanted most. Either way, discussion what I wanted. Though there has only been one other sort-of agreement. I suppose I could have attached a vote to it.

And discussion is exactly what you're getting.

As mentioned, the mounts did differ in stats before. The descriptions of the horses you can buy from stable masters still reflect this, and are actually pretty confusing for new players. They changed the system to what it is today for a reason, and it would be very surprising for them to change it back.

VaranisArano

Until different mounts other than horses are available for in-game gold, the current system is superior. That won't happen, since those mounts are a moneymaker for ZOS.

Maura_Neysa

Illurian wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Even if thats true that everyone just wants Senche, (which would be bad) Why wouldnt they still want different types? I mean people want the current the Shadow Rider Senche even though they have other ones already. Yeah some people would stop at one. Personally I wouldn't.

You clearly enjoy Senches. Not everyone does. You are effectively creating a situation where people will have to use Senches if they want maximum speed, which means using a type of mount they may not like. Builds are already pigeon holed for effectiveness, it would be a sad day for Tamriel if mounts are too. Your argument that "people can use different kinds of Senches, therefore have options" is the same as saying that people can wear different kinds of chains, therefore they are free.

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

One of my questions was if that was balanced. I for one, think Stamina is pretty d*** nice too. Besides, not everything is about Cryodiil. And Cryodiil is the only place where Speed means anything more then luxury.

It's funny you mention stamina and then say that not everything is about Cyrodiil in the same breath. Stamina is even more worthless in overland content, since your mount can keep sprinting regardless of running out of stamina. With the Dark Brotherhood passive (Shadow Rider) your aggro radius becomes much lower, so you won't be attacked by any mobs while speeding through maps. Senches would be the best choice here too under your system.

You mention balance, but your suggestion would bring anything but. Currently, mounts are completely and unequivocally balanced, as they have the exact same stats. If balance is truly what you're interested in, you can delete this thread.

Actually I like horse most, and Bears and Wolves not so much, even though I set there stamina higher. Of course I bigged the numbers based on lore/logic. Rather than the mount I wanted most. Either way, discussion what I wanted. Though there has only been one other sort-of agreement. I suppose I could have attached a vote to it.

And discussion is exactly what you're getting.

As mentioned, the mounts did differ in stats before. The descriptions of the horses you can buy from stable masters still reflect this, and are actually pretty confusing for new players. They changed the system to what it is today for a reason, and it would be very surprising for them to change it back.

I did not know they used to be different. Honestly wasn't entirely sure they weren't currently at least for speed and stamina

VaranisArano

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Even if thats true that everyone just wants Senche, (which would be bad) Why wouldnt they still want different types? I mean people want the current the Shadow Rider Senche even though they have other ones already. Yeah some people would stop at one. Personally I wouldn't.

You clearly enjoy Senches. Not everyone does. You are effectively creating a situation where people will have to use Senches if they want maximum speed, which means using a type of mount they may not like. Builds are already pigeon holed for effectiveness, it would be a sad day for Tamriel if mounts are too. Your argument that "people can use different kinds of Senches, therefore have options" is the same as saying that people can wear different kinds of chains, therefore they are free.

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

One of my questions was if that was balanced. I for one, think Stamina is pretty d*** nice too. Besides, not everything is about Cryodiil. And Cryodiil is the only place where Speed means anything more then luxury.

It's funny you mention stamina and then say that not everything is about Cyrodiil in the same breath. Stamina is even more worthless in overland content, since your mount can keep sprinting regardless of running out of stamina. With the Dark Brotherhood passive (Shadow Rider) your aggro radius becomes much lower, so you won't be attacked by any mobs while speeding through maps. Senches would be the best choice here too under your system.

You mention balance, but your suggestion would bring anything but. Currently, mounts are completely and unequivocally balanced, as they have the exact same stats. If balance is truly what you're interested in, you can delete this thread.

Actually I like horse most, and Bears and Wolves not so much, even though I set there stamina higher. Of course I bigged the numbers based on lore/logic. Rather than the mount I wanted most. Either way, discussion what I wanted. Though there has only been one other sort-of agreement. I suppose I could have attached a vote to it.

And discussion is exactly what you're getting.

As mentioned, the mounts did differ in stats before. The descriptions of the horses you can buy from stable masters still reflect this, and are actually pretty confusing for new players. They changed the system to what it is today for a reason, and it would be very surprising for them to change it back.

I did not know they used to be different. Honestly wasn't entirely sure they weren't currently at least for speed and stamina

All the mounts are currently the same, starting at zero for all mount upgrades and going up to 60 total for each type of upgrade.

Maura_Neysa

VaranisArano wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Even if thats true that everyone just wants Senche, (which would be bad) Why wouldnt they still want different types? I mean people want the current the Shadow Rider Senche even though they have other ones already. Yeah some people would stop at one. Personally I wouldn't.

You clearly enjoy Senches. Not everyone does. You are effectively creating a situation where people will have to use Senches if they want maximum speed, which means using a type of mount they may not like. Builds are already pigeon holed for effectiveness, it would be a sad day for Tamriel if mounts are too. Your argument that "people can use different kinds of Senches, therefore have options" is the same as saying that people can wear different kinds of chains, therefore they are free.

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

One of my questions was if that was balanced. I for one, think Stamina is pretty d*** nice too. Besides, not everything is about Cryodiil. And Cryodiil is the only place where Speed means anything more then luxury.

It's funny you mention stamina and then say that not everything is about Cyrodiil in the same breath. Stamina is even more worthless in overland content, since your mount can keep sprinting regardless of running out of stamina. With the Dark Brotherhood passive (Shadow Rider) your aggro radius becomes much lower, so you won't be attacked by any mobs while speeding through maps. Senches would be the best choice here too under your system.

You mention balance, but your suggestion would bring anything but. Currently, mounts are completely and unequivocally balanced, as they have the exact same stats. If balance is truly what you're interested in, you can delete this thread.

Actually I like horse most, and Bears and Wolves not so much, even though I set there stamina higher. Of course I bigged the numbers based on lore/logic. Rather than the mount I wanted most. Either way, discussion what I wanted. Though there has only been one other sort-of agreement. I suppose I could have attached a vote to it.

And discussion is exactly what you're getting.

As mentioned, the mounts did differ in stats before. The descriptions of the horses you can buy from stable masters still reflect this, and are actually pretty confusing for new players. They changed the system to what it is today for a reason, and it would be very surprising for them to change it back.

I did not know they used to be different. Honestly wasn't entirely sure they weren't currently at least for speed and stamina

All the mounts are currently the same, starting at zero for all mount upgrades and going up to 60 total for each type of upgrade.

The numbers are clear yes, but because of upgrades an CP like Windrunning, not everyone moves at the same speed. So I was never sure. After all half the game is built on flat boost, and half on percentage boosts. And, despite the general feedback, I wouldn’t have said, it was even a particularly big deal if it was.

Ragnarock41

I just want more goats.

Maura_Neysa

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I just want more goats.

Goats > Horses

VaxtinTheWolf

I just want to comment but someone has already explained this system used to be a thing in the beginning. It's still somewhat leftover when you look at the prices of the gold bought horses. The cheapest one had the worst starting stats, and the others had a variation with higher starting total.

lucky_Sage

horse hould be 60-60-60 its the avg mount but for this to not be p2w they would have to add a base version to buy with gold. doubt they would do it. it would only matter in pvp

VaranisArano

lucky_Sage wrote: »

horse hould be 60-60-60 its the avg mount but for this to not be p2w they would have to add a base version to buy with gold. doubt they would do it. it would only matter in pvp

Anything increasing carry capacity would make a big impact in PVE as well.

SkyIsTheLimit1206

No, everyone would want a Senche (which includes lions and sabres) for the speed bonus


The speed bonus is the #1 most important in mounts so yea

And senches are usually some of the hardest mounts to get

Maura_Neysa

VaranisArano wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

horse hould be 60-60-60 its the avg mount but for this to not be p2w they would have to add a base version to buy with gold. doubt they would do it. it would only matter in pvp

Anything increasing carry capacity would make a big impact in PVE as well.

Some one in game sujested that if you where over on capacity when trying to switch, it block you from switching mounts. I like that better than my initial idea

Katahdin

Bad idea

The system as is right now is best

Having them all the same allows for more player choice and mount diversity. Speed is what most people want first so there will be nothing but Senche everywhere.