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The "secret" exploit of the Nightblade class
Passifest
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Hello all I bring dire news. It has come to my attention that select Nightblade players are purposefully exploiting a bug in the skill shadowy disguise. The skill description is as follows:
"Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 2.5 seconds.
Your next attack within 3 seconds will always be a Critical Strike.
Guarantees a Critical Strike on your next attack."
Reading this one would assume that your next attack skill used would be a critical which is true. One would not assume that it has additional effects.
[snip]
[edited for bug description, information has been forwarded]
Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on March 16, 2018 9:22PM "Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 2.5 seconds.
Your next attack within 3 seconds will always be a Critical Strike.
Guarantees a Critical Strike on your next attack."
Reading this one would assume that your next attack skill used would be a critical which is true. One would not assume that it has additional effects.
[snip]
[edited for bug description, information has been forwarded]
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JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭I use the other morph of cloak, 8% damage reduction op despite the lack of the "guarenteed crit heals" and the guarenteed crit always seems to buff a dot.0 -
The_Brosteen✭✭✭✭✭@Passifest describing how to exploit something is also against tos.
So if they ban anyone like you want, they'll need to ban you too lol.
Lucky for you I dont think this is considered an exploit
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JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭The_Brosteen wrote: »@Passifest describing how to exploit something is also against tos.
So if they ban anyone like you want, they'll need to ban you too lol.
Lucky for you I dont think this is considered an exploit
So also by that logic if anyone posts an exploit on the forums to report it, they should be banned too?3 -
The_Brosteen✭✭✭✭✭The_Brosteen wrote: »@Passifest describing how to exploit something is also against tos.
So if they ban anyone like you want, they'll need to ban you too lol.
Lucky for you I dont think this is considered an exploit
So also by that logic if anyone posts an exploit on the forums to report it, they should be banned too?
Its not logic, its just what the tos say4 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not a secret, not an exploit the skill works as designed.
You only get one critical not all.
So cry in your beer!Edited by TequilaFire on March 16, 2018 1:30PM7 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"Cloak yourself in shadow to become invisible for 2.5 seconds.
Your next attack within 3 seconds will always be a Critical Strike.
Guarantees a Critical Strike on your next attack."
Its been like this since the Beta.
A couple of things to keep in mind, DoT's only get the Crit Tick on the first one. After that it is down to the Crit Chance Rating just like any other skill. The other thing to keep in mind is NBs as a class run extremely high Crit Chance, so this bonus from Cloak is not all that much a factor. NB's be critting all the time anyway.
So, this is not really a secret, and it's not really an OP skill, all things considered.
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The_Brosteen✭✭✭✭✭[snip]
Same with the animation canceling exploit am I right or am I right?
[edit to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on March 16, 2018 9:32PM1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Now prove what crit came from what with my 60% crit chance.
Powerlash should be undodgeable as well. imo
[minor edit for quote]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on March 16, 2018 9:24PM2 -
Passifest✭✭✭✭The_Brosteen wrote: »
The devs have added weaving into the tooltips. If this is not a bug then the skill description needs to be changed.0 -
The_Brosteen✭✭✭✭✭The_Brosteen wrote: »
The devs have added weaving into the tooltips. If this is not a bug then the skill description needs to be changed.
So really you're just asking for the tooltip to be changed? Well that's actually reasonable.0 -
Passifest✭✭✭✭The_Brosteen wrote: »The_Brosteen wrote: »
The devs have added weaving into the tooltips. If this is not a bug then the skill description needs to be changed.
So really you're just asking for the tooltip to be changed? Well that's actually reasonable.
Yeah idc either say its a bug and fix it or change the description to match what it actually does.0 -
laksikus✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are so many wrong tooltips, not to speak of all the wrong translations, and yet you basically made a nerf NB thread.
Gg0 -
ssorgatem✭✭✭✭But that's how critical hits work.
And heals are just attacks that deal negative damage.
So, if you know how combat mechanics works, the skill is behaving as expected.3 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Except it doesn't work at all as you're describing. Not unless you have zero DoTs on target.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
The very first DoT tick on target consumes the "guaranteed crit" (including any possible crit heals), meaning the morph is pretty much useless for most builds (or atleast highly unreliable).Edited by DDuke on March 16, 2018 1:45PM2 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I will first of all ,I`m not considering this an exploit, however I think it´s something that has to change.
A "not so unusual scenario":
* You face a stamblade in Cyrodil
* You manage to get the stamblade low on HP
* The stamblade manage to escape and get into cloak. While in cloak they recast rally (many stamblades will use shuffle as snareremoval and use rally for heals) which will then guarantee to crit. And if rally has been ticking for a while it will take them to almost full HP again.
* The stamblade has just reseted the fight and is good to go again.
To be honest, I think this should be included in the future changes regarding critical healing. At the moment critical damage modifier also affects heals which will be changed in the future. The tooltip of cloak clearly indicates it should be the next attack that is a guaranteed critical strike. Since heals, such as rally and vigor (which is usually the most common heals to combine with cloak) aren´t attacks, they shouldn´t be affected by cloaks "guaranteed crit".
Edited by Qbiken on March 16, 2018 1:49PM2 -
Passifest✭✭✭✭I will first of all ,I`m not considering this an exploit, however I think it´s something that has to change.
A "not so unusual scenario":
* You face a stamblade in Cyrodil
* You manage to get the stamblade low on HP
* The stamblade manage to escape and get into cloak. While in cloak they recast rally (many stamblades will use shuffle as snareremoval and use rally for heals) which will then guarantee to crit. And if rally has been ticking for a while it will take them to almost full HP again.
* The stamblade has just reseted the fight and is good to go again.
To be honest, I think this should be included in the future changes regarding critical healing. At the moment critical damage modifier also affects heals which will be changed in the future. The tooltip of cloak clearly indicates it should be the next attack that is a guaranteed critical strike. Since heals, such as rally and vigor (which is usually the most common heals to combine with cloak) aren´t attacks, they shouldn´t be affected by cloaks "guaranteed crit".
Yeah this was basically my point but people don't get satire here.0 -
ak_pvp✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Except it doesn't work at all as you're describing. Not unless you have zero DoTs on target.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
The very first DoT tick on target consumes the "guaranteed crit" (including any possible crit heals), meaning the morph is pretty much useless for most builds (or atleast highly unreliable).
Doesn't this sort of prove that it's unintended and should be fixed. If it doesn't work uniformly and isn't how it is on tool tips, then its probably a bug.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Passifest✭✭✭✭Except it doesn't work at all as you're describing. Not unless you have zero DoTs on target.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
The very first DoT tick on target consumes the "guaranteed crit" (including any possible crit heals), meaning the morph is pretty much useless for most builds (or atleast highly unreliable).
Doesn't this sort of prove that it's unintended and should be fixed. If it doesn't work uniformly and isn't how it is on tool tips, then its probably a bug.
Well said fellow mdk main0 -
Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's how stamina nightblades get heals. Vigor>cloak.
Before was a less missleading tooltip, cloak gave you "precision" for 3 secs. This buff would be consumed by your next attack and all heals would crit during its duration.
Regardless this has been around for ages, it's not a secret and it most certainly isn't an exploit.
Typical nb hate thread! xD3 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It does seem that being in cloak should have no bearing on healing. It has a bearing on damage because the enemy can't see you. That makes sense. Being seen shouldn't have any impact on healing, unless you are really bashful about healing.2 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Except it doesn't work at all as you're describing. Not unless you have zero DoTs on target.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
The very first DoT tick on target consumes the "guaranteed crit" (including any possible crit heals), meaning the morph is pretty much useless for most builds (or atleast highly unreliable).
This is actually 'fixed' from how it was previously
back before Dark Cloak got the 8% damage reduction buff
Shadowy Disguise previously buffed the users Spell Critical and Weapon Critical by 100% for the duration of the Cloak
which would make all DoT ticks crit, as well as the next direct damage attack that pulled out of invisible
it has since been changed to apply a buff that vanishes once the guaranteed crit is consumed
the 'easiest' fix would be to make it so the buff cannot interact with DoTs or HoTs at all"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Except it doesn't work at all as you're describing. Not unless you have zero DoTs on target.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
The very first DoT tick on target consumes the "guaranteed crit" (including any possible crit heals), meaning the morph is pretty much useless for most builds (or atleast highly unreliable).
Doesn't this sort of prove that it's unintended and should be fixed. If it doesn't work uniformly and isn't how it is on tool tips, then its probably a bug.
Yep.
There's two options for how it should work:- All heals/DoTs/attacks crit while Shadowy Disguise is active.
- Heals/DoTs don't get guaranteed crits while Shadowy Disguise is active.
Option 1 is how it used to work a year or two ago before ZOS made the first DoT tick ruin it, but I'd take even option 2 over the current functionality.0 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭wait, this is actually true? someone tell me this is not true.
you want to tell me that NBs during cloak will get full criticals heals? what madness is this?
a glass of water, please ...
And you thought shield stacking was overpowered
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Except it doesn't work at all as you're describing. Not unless you have zero DoTs on target.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged
The very first DoT tick on target consumes the "guaranteed crit" (including any possible crit heals), meaning the morph is pretty much useless for most builds (or atleast highly unreliable).
...If it doesn't work uniformly and isn't how it is on tool tips...
This is eso in a nutshell.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on March 16, 2018 3:16PM0
