Does anybody use the sorcerer's rune prison ability?

Diabolus1989

I've purchased this skill, to test it out and discover its uses. To be honest, I'm not finding a great deal to be done with it.

It's stuns an enemy for 2.5 seconds. The only use I can find for an incapacitating spell with such a short duration is as an alternative to interrupting spellcasters.

Does anyone use this spell or its morphs? (which I haven't unlocked yet)

Kikke

pvp xD

Yakidafi

kikkehs wrote: »

pvp xD

Crushing shock is good for interrupting spellcasters

Lynx7386

Its mostly useless but serves a niche role in lining up burst combos in PvP

RouDeR

Everyone and their mothers in PvP use that

Xeven

The last adjustments were advertised as buffs however both morphs always went through block. Their duration and cost were extremely nerfed.

Sorcerer has been very frustrating lately, to say the least.

Judas Helviaryn

Rune prison's great for stunning people through block, and the defensive rune morph is also great for catching ganks off-guard. They both give you an opportunity to quickly execute people who otherwise wouldn't be caught.

Diabolus1989

Hmmm, well I don't plan on entering PvP anytime soon. I'll keep it on the bar until it's ready to morph. Then I'll get rid of it.

Maybe then when I decide to PvP it'll ready to purchase and morph.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Its mostly useless but serves a niche role in lining up burst combos in PvP

You are killing me today, haha. Mostly useless and Niche Role? It is one of the most powerful PVP skills in a sorcs arsenal. It is an ublockable, undodgeable, ranged, hard CC. You wont find much use for it in PVE, but in PVP, it is a very useful tool. Lining up burst combos is basically the only way a sorc can get a kill in PVP, and this is one of the best ways to do it. So i guess if that means niche and useless, then I don't know what those words mean.

To the OP, in PVE, the stun is not long enough to be much use. I would certainly advise leveling it as you said, but I think you should level every class skill to at least morph. The stun used to be a lot longer, so you could use it in places like VMA to shorten the odds on a fight when outnumbered, but like most things sorc, it got heavy PVE nerf not too long ago.

Edit: its also super useful in PVP because if your opponent is CC immune, it will be greyed out. Often, that is an easier visual queue to track. In 1v1 scenarios, this skill should basically be cast on CC immunity cooldown of your opponent, as it the best way to attack their stam pool..

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Its great for taking down permablock tryhards in PvP. Its a really tough stun to break similar to fear with a long animation time and it has a huge range. You can lock down those stupid, "chase me forever" *** builds too with it.

Gargath

I'd like this skill to be reversed to when casting Rune Cage on certain overland bosses disoriented them for long, just enough to easily kill by multiple DOT spells. I remember doing it multiple time on Western Overlook in Glenumbra .

Ankael07

The skill used to be more powerful back when it was 30 seconds of disorient. You could potentially drain magicka classes stamina pool and kill them with DOT skills and poisons.

Lynx7386

@Oreyn_Bearclaw

You are killing me today, haha. Mostly useless and Niche Role? It is one of the most powerful PVP skills in a sorcs arsenal.

I keep saying I'm not a pvper =p

Surak73

Defensive rune is a must when you travel in Cyrodiil. It's the anti-gank tool par excellence.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Lynx7386 wrote: »

@Oreyn_Bearclaw

You are killing me today, haha. Mostly useless and Niche Role? It is one of the most powerful PVP skills in a sorcs arsenal.

I keep saying I'm not a pvper =p

Fair enough.

CurvedSwords123

I'm going to use rune cage on my Stamsorc in PvP. I don't need streak (even though it's stupid fun), I don't need to double bound aegis (even though the statistical consistency would be nice). I am going to rune cage ppl! Why?! Because I'm sick of being $@#+ed by this skill so I'm going to join the cancer fest.

Beardimus

Good story.

Ender1310

This skill single handedly made 1 v anything impossible. And sloads. But seriously useless?

NordSwordnBoard

Can somebody here tell me "Where is the amulet of kings?"

Hurtfan

PvP yes all the time but switch it for something else for PvE...

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Rune prison is good for farming tears from newer players in pvp that never had to experience sorc before the class was severely nerfed.

• People that have never had to fight a magicka sorc before
• bolt escape was nerfed
• back when crystal frags could do about 15k damage per hit
• back when shields lasted 20 seconds
• Back when harness magicka reduced ALL magicka damage taken

Back then rune cage was a joke. But I guess if you nerf a class to the ground, even an ability that does zero damage suddenly becomes OP.

D0PAMINE

I use it on my Sorc Tank

Banana

I have it in my death recap all the time

CurvedSwords123

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Rune prison is good for farming tears from newer players in pvp that never had to experience sorc before the class was severely nerfed.

• People that have never had to fight a magicka sorc before
• bolt escape was nerfed
• back when crystal frags could do about 15k damage per hit
• back when shields lasted 20 seconds
• Back when harness magicka reduced ALL magicka damage taken

Back then rune cage was a joke. But I guess if you nerf a class to the ground, even an ability that does zero damage suddenly becomes OP.

Guess Fengrush and Alcast are newer players.

Morgul667

Very very powerful pvp tool

Valrien

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Rune prison is good for farming tears from newer players in pvp that never had to experience sorc before the class was severely nerfed.

• People that have never had to fight a magicka sorc before
• bolt escape was nerfed
• back when crystal frags could do about 15k damage per hit
• back when shields lasted 20 seconds
• Back when harness magicka reduced ALL magicka damage taken

Back then rune cage was a joke. But I guess if you nerf a class to the ground, even an ability that does zero damage suddenly becomes OP.

Guess Fengrush and Alcast are newer players.

Idk about Alcast, but Fengrush generally complains a lot and has a particular hatred for Magicka Sorc (probably because he plays Stam Sorc)

CurvedSwords123

Valrien wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Rune prison is good for farming tears from newer players in pvp that never had to experience sorc before the class was severely nerfed.

• People that have never had to fight a magicka sorc before
• bolt escape was nerfed
• back when crystal frags could do about 15k damage per hit
• back when shields lasted 20 seconds
• Back when harness magicka reduced ALL magicka damage taken

Back then rune cage was a joke. But I guess if you nerf a class to the ground, even an ability that does zero damage suddenly becomes OP.

Guess Fengrush and Alcast are newer players.

Idk about Alcast, but Fengrush generally complains a lot and has a particular hatred for Magicka Sorc (probably because he plays Stam Sorc)

Alcast calls this skill OP. I think his complaints, and others are legitimate.
-cheap
-lasts a long time
-no counterplay
-animation makes break free slow

CurvedSwords123

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Rune prison is good for farming tears from newer players in pvp that never had to experience sorc before the class was severely nerfed.

• People that have never had to fight a magicka sorc before
• bolt escape was nerfed
• back when crystal frags could do about 15k damage per hit
• back when shields lasted 20 seconds
• Back when harness magicka reduced ALL magicka damage taken

Back then rune cage was a joke. But I guess if you nerf a class to the ground, even an ability that does zero damage suddenly becomes OP.

Guess Fengrush and Alcast are newer players.

Idk about Alcast, but Fengrush generally complains a lot and has a particular hatred for Magicka Sorc (probably because he plays Stam Sorc)

Alcast calls this skill OP. I think his complaints, and others are legitimate.
-cheap
-lasts a long time
-no counterplay
-animation makes break free slow

Like think about it. Why in god's name would u be able to insta break free after being hit from a dizzying swing (pain in the ass to land with tons of counterplay); while having to endure this artificial delay when a sorc decides to press his "you freeze" button with 0 counterplay (can't be blocked or dodged). Oh and I forgot something from my previous list, this skill's absurd range.

That being said, I definately had fun with it in Cyro today. Very cheesy and efficient.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Rune prison is good for farming tears from newer players in pvp that never had to experience sorc before the class was severely nerfed.

• People that have never had to fight a magicka sorc before
• bolt escape was nerfed
• back when crystal frags could do about 15k damage per hit
• back when shields lasted 20 seconds
• Back when harness magicka reduced ALL magicka damage taken

Back then rune cage was a joke. But I guess if you nerf a class to the ground, even an ability that does zero damage suddenly becomes OP.

Guess Fengrush and Alcast are newer players.

Idk about Alcast, but Fengrush generally complains a lot and has a particular hatred for Magicka Sorc (probably because he plays Stam Sorc)

Alcast calls this skill OP. I think his complaints, and others are legitimate.
-cheap
-lasts a long time
-no counterplay
-animation makes break free slow

Like think about it. Why in god's name would u be able to insta break free after being hit from a dizzying swing (pain in the ass to land with tons of counterplay); while having to endure this artificial delay when a sorc decides to press his "you freeze" button with 0 counterplay (can't be blocked or dodged). Oh and I forgot something from my previous list, this skill's absurd range.

That being said, I definately had fun with it in Cyro today. Very cheesy and efficient.

The reason it cant be blocked or dodged is because it IS the counterplay to builds that can permanently block or dodge. Permarollers flop around on the battlefield and skills like pertrify, fear, and rune cage are the only ways of locking them down.

No counterplay? ever heard of immunity pots?


I do agree about the animation though, Stuns need a universal simple animation that appears the moment you are stunned that is the same for all stuns.

CurvedSwords123

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Rune prison is good for farming tears from newer players in pvp that never had to experience sorc before the class was severely nerfed.

• People that have never had to fight a magicka sorc before
• bolt escape was nerfed
• back when crystal frags could do about 15k damage per hit
• back when shields lasted 20 seconds
• Back when harness magicka reduced ALL magicka damage taken

Back then rune cage was a joke. But I guess if you nerf a class to the ground, even an ability that does zero damage suddenly becomes OP.

Guess Fengrush and Alcast are newer players.

Idk about Alcast, but Fengrush generally complains a lot and has a particular hatred for Magicka Sorc (probably because he plays Stam Sorc)

Alcast calls this skill OP. I think his complaints, and others are legitimate.
-cheap
-lasts a long time
-no counterplay
-animation makes break free slow

Like think about it. Why in god's name would u be able to insta break free after being hit from a dizzying swing (pain in the ass to land with tons of counterplay); while having to endure this artificial delay when a sorc decides to press his "you freeze" button with 0 counterplay (can't be blocked or dodged). Oh and I forgot something from my previous list, this skill's absurd range.

That being said, I definately had fun with it in Cyro today. Very cheesy and efficient.

The reason it cant be blocked or dodged is because it IS the counterplay to builds that can permanently block or dodge. Permarollers flop around on the battlefield and skills like pertrify, fear, and rune cage are the only ways of locking them down.

No counterplay? ever heard of immunity pots?


I do agree about the animation though, Stuns need a universal simple animation that appears the moment you are stunned that is the same for all stuns.

You think a pot is counterplay? Ofcourse the animation needs to be worked on. Stop acting like the skill isn't universally reviled. They are going to have to adjust it's range, duration & animation at a very minimum. But when it comes down to it, it's already in the devs crosshairs; so enjoy the incoming nerf eh? Till such time I will continue to cheese it with this "you freeze" button.

CurvedSwords123

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Rune prison is good for farming tears from newer players in pvp that never had to experience sorc before the class was severely nerfed.

• People that have never had to fight a magicka sorc before
• bolt escape was nerfed
• back when crystal frags could do about 15k damage per hit
• back when shields lasted 20 seconds
• Back when harness magicka reduced ALL magicka damage taken

Back then rune cage was a joke. But I guess if you nerf a class to the ground, even an ability that does zero damage suddenly becomes OP.

Guess Fengrush and Alcast are newer players.

Idk about Alcast, but Fengrush generally complains a lot and has a particular hatred for Magicka Sorc (probably because he plays Stam Sorc)

Alcast calls this skill OP. I think his complaints, and others are legitimate.
-cheap
-lasts a long time
-no counterplay
-animation makes break free slow

Like think about it. Why in god's name would u be able to insta break free after being hit from a dizzying swing (pain in the ass to land with tons of counterplay); while having to endure this artificial delay when a sorc decides to press his "you freeze" button with 0 counterplay (can't be blocked or dodged). Oh and I forgot something from my previous list, this skill's absurd range.

That being said, I definately had fun with it in Cyro today. Very cheesy and efficient.

The reason it cant be blocked or dodged is because it IS the counterplay to builds that can permanently block or dodge. Permarollers flop around on the battlefield and skills like pertrify, fear, and rune cage are the only ways of locking them down.

No counterplay? ever heard of immunity pots?


I do agree about the animation though, Stuns need a universal simple animation that appears the moment you are stunned that is the same for all stuns.

Petrify is acceptable on DKs because they aren't even remotely close to as bursty as Sorcs. No one is complaining about fear, it can be broken free from in a suitable manner.