To all of you that say: "Werewolf is weak"

Skander

I think it doesn't need a buff. No

Aznox

I'm sorry for this

GrumpyDuckling

Do you have less than 17k health? That could be why you died.

Skander

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Do you have less than 17k health? That could be why you died.

Have you not play this game yet? You would know that not every skill that hits you is displayed on the death recap

GrumpyDuckling

Skander wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Do you have less than 17k health? That could be why you died.

Have you not play this game yet? You would know that not every skill that hits you is displayed on the death recap

Okay, so maybe there were other attacks, so what? What are you trying to say about Werewolf? I don't get your point. Howl of Agony for 6k and then everything else was about 3k or less. Is that supposed to show that Werewolf is OP?

I'll take an opponent using a more expensive Werewolf ultimate over destro ultimate that has 13k per second Eye of Flame ticks while they spam other attacks.

Aznox

Not even lucky on the crits

DocFrost72

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Lemme know when you get hit with a 5-8k wrecking blow animation canceled with a light or heavy attack doing no less than 1k. That doubles the "op" werewolf attacks you were seeing.

Please tell me this was through block and you had resistance cap, at least then I can start to understand.

Datolite

WWs are specialized towards a certain type of damage. Keep in mind that they also specialize their entire build around that damage. Also it's an ultimate, and it don't last forever!

Nelson_Rebel

In all actuality, Werewolf is very powerful in PvP small scale. And is an absolute beast in a 1v1 if played and geared correctly (as it should be)


Werewolf doesn't need a buff. But it does need some bug fixes with animation and skills (heavy attack, howl)


What some people complain about is that it generally has no real function or use in PvE. Which doesn't make sense really. It's an ultimate transformation into a beast with no weapons or armor. It's only functionality is (and rightfully should be) for PvP.


Now if they want to add in passives for stam that affect human form without having to slot werewolf that would be fine. ONLY if they also make werewolves vulnerable to poison while in human form to give them a pvp counter like how vampires are always weak to fire, and always have a heath regen negative effect active with their bonuses as well.

DocFrost72

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

In all actuality, Werewolf is very powerful in PvP small scale. And is an absolute beast in a 1v1 if played and geared correctly (as it should be)


Werewolf doesn't need a buff. But it does need some bug fixes with animation and skills (heavy attack, howl)


What some people complain about is that it generally has no real function or use in PvE. Which doesn't make sense really. It's an ultimate transformation into a beast with no weapons or armor. It's only functionality is (and rightfully should be) for PvP.


Now if they want to add in passives for stam that affect human form without having to slot werewolf that would be fine. ONLY if they also make werewolves vulnerable to poison while in human form to give them a pvp counter like how vampires are always weak to fire, and always have a heath regen negative effect active with their bonuses as well.

While I disagree that werewolves should have no place in pve, I recognize that is just opinion. On both our parts.

What I want is an end to the timer. I already suffer losing the ability to res, a second bar, my weapon passives, (as of my last testing) synergies, and a poison and fighter's guild weakness. In my opinion, removing the timer would be fine for pve, upping the duration we can stay and pump put decent dps.

RP would have more options as well.

PvP shouldn't shouldn't much if any change. The individual in your small scale or 1v1 example is already taking a hit every 3 seconds or more to proc the blood rage passive anyway. Besides, if the werewolf can't kill you in the minute or more it takes for him to lose ult (assuming low blood rage uptime), he's not killing you regardless.

Berenhir

Aznox wrote: »

Not even lucky on the crits

OP fought 8 seconds and was obviously unable to outheal bleed damage or -more wisely- disengage when pressured by a vitality pot troll king ww in noCP.

Nothing to see here, move on folks. Thanks Aznox for the detailed cm report.

Skander

Berenhir wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Not even lucky on the crits

OP fought 8 seconds and was obviously unable to outheal bleed damage or -more wisely- disengage when pressured by a vitality pot troll king ww in noCP.

Nothing to see here, move on folks. Thanks Aznox for the detailed cm report.

Eclipse, purifying ritual, and Honor the dead.
If you fail to heal with this, we seem to have a problem don't you think?

Skander

DocFrost72 wrote: »

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Lemme know when you get hit with a 5-8k wrecking blow animation canceled with a light or heavy attack doing no less than 1k. That doubles the "op" werewolf attacks you were seeing.

Please tell me this was through block and you had resistance cap, at least then I can start to understand.

trought block, light armor, but with wizard riposte (15% less dmg) and rune (minor protection, another 8% less dmg)

Skander

To make this clear. The damage was over the top
Bleeds in general weren't the iusse but the 3k per light attack. On a templar. Light armor trough block, with eclipse on, minor protection and wizard riposte. And spamming Bol

Not telling this is op in general, but is overwhelming in 1v1

Berenhir

Skander wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Not even lucky on the crits

OP fought 8 seconds and was obviously unable to outheal bleed damage or -more wisely- disengage when pressured by a vitality pot troll king ww in noCP.

Nothing to see here, move on folks. Thanks Aznox for the detailed cm report.

Eclipse, purifying ritual, and Honor the dead.
If you fail to heal with this, we seem to have a problem don't you think?

No, because purifying ritual is garbage and even extended ritual wouldn't have done the trick. I don't know if bleeds are subject to minor maim at all but even heavy armour wouldn't have helped much as bleeds ignore resistances completely.

Mist form for LOS, purge, dot up, purifying light, weeps purge dawnbreaker, sweeps? Cannot give any specific combat advice as I don't know the exact situation. Trying to block a WW is the wrong tactic, you need to wear him down as time is your friend.

Easy to give advice out of my cosy armchair though.

Aznox

Light armor and no shield.
You blocked only 2 light attacks and it was too late.

I agree Werewolf doesn't need a PVP buff though (no redesign either plz, i'm having too much fun)

Skander

Berenhir wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Not even lucky on the crits

OP fought 8 seconds and was obviously unable to outheal bleed damage or -more wisely- disengage when pressured by a vitality pot troll king ww in noCP.

Nothing to see here, move on folks. Thanks Aznox for the detailed cm report.

Eclipse, purifying ritual, and Honor the dead.
If you fail to heal with this, we seem to have a problem don't you think?

No, because purifying ritual is garbage and even extended ritual wouldn't have done the trick. I don't know if bleeds are subject to minor maim at all but even heavy armour wouldn't have helped much as bleeds ignore resistances completely.

Mist form for LOS, purge, dot up, purifying light, weeps purge dawnbreaker, sweeps? Cannot give any specific combat advice as I don't know the exact situation. Trying to block a WW is the wrong tactic, you need to wear him down as time is your friend.

Easy to give advice out of my cosy armchair though.

It isn't still a thing you should see. A templar that can't outheal, unstunned. Something that just keeps attacking with no stamina cost. I don't care if people say "it's an ultimate" it's an ultimate that lasts forever if you are in combat.
It hits like a truck and seeing people that say" it's weak buu huu" makes my brain melt.

Aznox

Wanna duel my stamsorc in human form ? Pretty sure you won't outheal it either

GrumpyDuckling

Skander wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Not even lucky on the crits

OP fought 8 seconds and was obviously unable to outheal bleed damage or -more wisely- disengage when pressured by a vitality pot troll king ww in noCP.

Nothing to see here, move on folks. Thanks Aznox for the detailed cm report.

Eclipse, purifying ritual, and Honor the dead.
If you fail to heal with this, we seem to have a problem don't you think?

No, because purifying ritual is garbage and even extended ritual wouldn't have done the trick. I don't know if bleeds are subject to minor maim at all but even heavy armour wouldn't have helped much as bleeds ignore resistances completely.

Mist form for LOS, purge, dot up, purifying light, weeps purge dawnbreaker, sweeps? Cannot give any specific combat advice as I don't know the exact situation. Trying to block a WW is the wrong tactic, you need to wear him down as time is your friend.

Easy to give advice out of my cosy armchair though.

It isn't still a thing you should see. A templar that can't outheal, unstunned. Something that just keeps attacking with no stamina cost. I don't care if people say "it's an ultimate" it's an ultimate that lasts forever if you are in combat.
It hits like a truck and seeing people that say" it's weak buu huu" makes my brain melt.

Compared to Eye of Flame I would take an opponent using Werewolf form all day.

I've never gone into a fight with a Werewolf where my goal was to drain their stamina. For me it has always been about putting a ton of pressure on them to get them to burn through their magicka.

Skander

Aznox wrote: »

Wanna duel my stamsorc in human form ? Pretty sure you won't outheal it either

Scure, i'm up for it

Skander

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Not even lucky on the crits

OP fought 8 seconds and was obviously unable to outheal bleed damage or -more wisely- disengage when pressured by a vitality pot troll king ww in noCP.

Nothing to see here, move on folks. Thanks Aznox for the detailed cm report.

Eclipse, purifying ritual, and Honor the dead.
If you fail to heal with this, we seem to have a problem don't you think?

No, because purifying ritual is garbage and even extended ritual wouldn't have done the trick. I don't know if bleeds are subject to minor maim at all but even heavy armour wouldn't have helped much as bleeds ignore resistances completely.

Mist form for LOS, purge, dot up, purifying light, weeps purge dawnbreaker, sweeps? Cannot give any specific combat advice as I don't know the exact situation. Trying to block a WW is the wrong tactic, you need to wear him down as time is your friend.

Easy to give advice out of my cosy armchair though.

It isn't still a thing you should see. A templar that can't outheal, unstunned. Something that just keeps attacking with no stamina cost. I don't care if people say "it's an ultimate" it's an ultimate that lasts forever if you are in combat.
It hits like a truck and seeing people that say" it's weak buu huu" makes my brain melt.

Compared to Eye of Flame I would take an opponent using Werewolf form all day.

I've never gone into a fight with a Werewolf where my goal was to drain their stamina. For me it has always been about putting a ton of pressure on them to get them to burn through their magicka.

Easier said then done on a templar, when the only chance to heal is being passive.

That is. Werewolf is super strong in xv1 and 1v1. Just saying this

Aznox

Aznox wrote: »

Wanna duel my stamsorc in human form ? Pretty sure you won't outheal it either

Scure, i'm up for it

He's not.

Skander

I'm not dueling the meta m8, you can try whatever, if you have the balls to run a normal build be free to duel me, in the meantime enjoy the next nerf. Oh, you probably will shift to the next unbalanced thing there is

coop500

Hhahahah~

Serves you right

Nelson_Rebel

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

In all actuality, Werewolf is very powerful in PvP small scale. And is an absolute beast in a 1v1 if played and geared correctly (as it should be)


Werewolf doesn't need a buff. But it does need some bug fixes with animation and skills (heavy attack, howl)


What some people complain about is that it generally has no real function or use in PvE. Which doesn't make sense really. It's an ultimate transformation into a beast with no weapons or armor. It's only functionality is (and rightfully should be) for PvP.


Now if they want to add in passives for stam that affect human form without having to slot werewolf that would be fine. ONLY if they also make werewolves vulnerable to poison while in human form to give them a pvp counter like how vampires are always weak to fire, and always have a heath regen negative effect active with their bonuses as well.

While I disagree that werewolves should have no place in pve, I recognize that is just opinion. On both our parts.

What I want is an end to the timer. I already suffer losing the ability to res, a second bar, my weapon passives, (as of my last testing) synergies, and a poison and fighter's guild weakness. In my opinion, removing the timer would be fine for pve, upping the duration we can stay and pump put decent dps.

RP would have more options as well.

PvP shouldn't shouldn't much if any change. The individual in your small scale or 1v1 example is already taking a hit every 3 seconds or more to proc the blood rage passive anyway. Besides, if the werewolf can't kill you in the minute or more it takes for him to lose ult (assuming low blood rage uptime), he's not killing you regardless.

The end to the timer would be an interesting change. But part of the counter to Werewolves massive burst potential is to kite wolves out of form. Lycans have insane burst potential (because it is an ultimate) And this far every ultimate with High Burst damage has some
type of counter. If you take away the timer to wolf it immediately becomes a balance problem. Leave the timer be, a smart wolf already knows how to stay in Wolf form almost the entire battle
regardless. As it should be.


As for PvE there should be some type of function to stay in wolf form. Maybe a totem or ring that people can acquire to stay in form, but will also stop them from using 2 5 piece sets with monster sets. That would balance it out


The only thing I do think needs to be adjusted are bleed damage effects, Not just on werewolf but universally. This would be a slight damage loss on wolves but would buff their survivability far more. Werewolves have no way to deal with bleed damage in any way, and bleed damages generally are far to powerful when combined with Defile and Oblivion damage

Nelson_Rebel

Skander wrote: »

I'm not dueling the meta m8, you can try whatever, if you have the balls to run a normal build be free to duel me, in the meantime enjoy the next nerf. Oh, you probably will shift to the next unbalanced thing there is

Why did you agree when he told you straight up what he was bringing?

Skander

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

I'm not dueling the meta m8, you can try whatever, if you have the balls to run a normal build be free to duel me, in the meantime enjoy the next nerf. Oh, you probably will shift to the next unbalanced thing there is

Why did you agree when he told you straight up what he was bringing?

He didn't say he was full bleedbuild sorc with no sustain, but gets carried by the meta of this update.

Waffennacht

When did sorc and/or WW become meta?

Ohh....

It's cuz all the NBs are invisible lol

Skander

Waffennacht wrote: »

When did sorc and/or WW become meta?

Ohh....

It's cuz all the NBs are invisible lol

It's meta if everybody uses it. I'm just waiting for this step tbh

Aedaryl

Are we agree the best option for stam sorc WW in the idea to be played in both humain and WW form is Bone pirate + truth ?

Chrlynsch

Aedaryl wrote: »

Are we agree the best option for stam sorc WW in the idea to be played in both humain and WW form is Bone pirate + truth ?

MA and Shieldbreaker is... really... really fun