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Zaan
Zildjian2112
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Fighting a zerg in which someone is wearing zaan is amazing. you literally just melt and then see 19k from Zaan haha. Cool. Can't counter it if i can't even see the proc. 1v1 its fine but fight a group that has a Zaan or 2 in it and its ridiculous.
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Zildjian2112✭✭✭it was actually 3vx and 2 of us died to zaan. lol maybe thats true. still Zaan seems like cheese.1
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Bhaal5✭✭✭✭✭
✭-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on16 -
Zildjian2112✭✭✭-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
7000 procs and effects going on....you try to spot it. GG. Just because you crutch on it doesn't mean its not without faults.
i know how to counter it (when the proc is visible).
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Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Zaan proc in no cp BG is just fun. People melt but to me its cheeseEdited by Morgul667 on March 5, 2018 5:28AM0 -
Barbaran✭✭✭✭I've seen screenshots of 65k zaans from people.
I have 30k spell resist and am not a vamp and I got git with a 30k zaan while blocking.
It's broken, bottom lineEdited by Barbaran on March 5, 2018 5:29AM2 -
WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭Spotting anything in a Zergpatrol is next to impossible.
Doesn't make Zaan any worse, or Zergs any worse.
Just.. Something new to pop up on your Death Recap when the particle effects die down and the game loads your death animation.0 -
Zildjian2112✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »Spotting anything in a Zergpatrol is next to impossible.
Doesn't make Zaan any worse, or Zergs any worse.
Just.. Something new to pop up on your Death Recap when the particle effects die down and the game loads your death animation.
Just another tools for zergs to use to create diminishing chance of survival. Long live Elder Zergs Online. Its great that small scale pvp has died and when cyrodiil zergs tire of horse simulator 2018. they come into IC and flood everything with their cheesy goodness.
Edited by Zildjian2112 on March 5, 2018 5:35AM0 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
How about this:
Armors should not deal damage.
Now I DOUBT that you could ever move on if Zos ever comes to their senses and remove proc armors
Wet dreams...Edited by GeorgeBlack on March 5, 2018 5:36AM4 -
WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭Well, I mean - Zergs are just small "Armies" marching to War in the War PvP Zone, so... Kinda yeah, it's EZO - And I think that was the main intention.
With the AoE damage limits being removes, though - Well, maybe more AoEs are the solution to Zergs? How many AoEs can a single build get?
That's neither here nor there, though...
Anything in the hands of a Zerg is going to be horrible - Doesn't matter what it is.1 -
Zildjian2112✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »Well, I mean - Zergs are just small "Armies" marching to War in the War PvP Zone, so... Kinda yeah, it's EZO - And I think that was the main intention.
With the AoE damage limits being removes, though - Well, maybe more AoEs are the solution to Zergs? How many AoEs can a single build get?
That's neither here nor there, though...
Anything in the hands of a Zerg is going to be horrible - Doesn't matter what it is.
The problem is devs thought this set was smart to add. Like really? We've complained about free crazy damage from sets since they started giving free crazy damage from sets. Why even add this stupid set? Aoe makes sense because of pve. Single target isn't awesome for pve. So they can't blame it on some pve pipe dream.0 -
WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Well, I mean - Zergs are just small "Armies" marching to War in the War PvP Zone, so... Kinda yeah, it's EZO - And I think that was the main intention.
With the AoE damage limits being removes, though - Well, maybe more AoEs are the solution to Zergs? How many AoEs can a single build get?
That's neither here nor there, though...
Anything in the hands of a Zerg is going to be horrible - Doesn't matter what it is.
The problem is devs thought this set was smart to add. Like really? We've complained about free crazy damage from sets since they started giving free crazy damage from sets. Why even add this stupid set? Aoe makes sense because of pve. Single target isn't awesome for pve. So they can't blame it on some pve pipe dream.
Single target is great in PvE boss fights.
"Free" damage from using your gear slots on that instead of something else isn't a major issue - If my time playing Diablo, Warframe, most other MMOs, or a large chunk of RPGs has taught me anything - Procs are fun, random chance is exciting, and it's always neat to see something activate - Especially in a tense moment.
Lets face it, a proper Bleed Build can do around the same as "Eye of the Storm" with the click of a single button - not counting possible crits (Which are also technically procs) and the various damage buffs you can have active pushing it even further. That is a single attack at a cost of less than 4k Stamina. Is it really that much better than Zaan just because you use a small amount of resources?
Honestly, Zaan is far from the worst thing this game has had.2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've been melting people, making a clip video of it in BGs.
I've had whispers ranging from 11k-20k.
I've centered my build around it though lol.
Big problem however is when you face another Zaan user - it's impossible to tell who's Zaan is who's.1 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
You forgot a few things. Let me help you with that though, bruh.
- Can be cleansed.
- Can be purged.
- Can be mitigated through shields/wards.
- Can be mitigated through Mist Form.
- Can be mitigated through things like Corrosive/Magma Armor.
- Can be healed through with ANY stamina build.
- Can be healed through with ANY magicka build.
There you go, comrade. All the best.3 -
Zildjian2112✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Well, I mean - Zergs are just small "Armies" marching to War in the War PvP Zone, so... Kinda yeah, it's EZO - And I think that was the main intention.
With the AoE damage limits being removes, though - Well, maybe more AoEs are the solution to Zergs? How many AoEs can a single build get?
That's neither here nor there, though...
Anything in the hands of a Zerg is going to be horrible - Doesn't matter what it is.
The problem is devs thought this set was smart to add. Like really? We've complained about free crazy damage from sets since they started giving free crazy damage from sets. Why even add this stupid set? Aoe makes sense because of pve. Single target isn't awesome for pve. So they can't blame it on some pve pipe dream.
Single target is great in PvE boss fights.
"Free" damage from using your gear slots on that instead of something else isn't a major issue - If my time playing Diablo, Warframe, most other MMOs, or a large chunk of RPGs has taught me anything - Procs are fun, random chance is exciting, and it's always neat to see something activate - Especially in a tense moment.
Lets face it, a proper Bleed Build can do around the same as "Eye of the Storm" with the click of a single button - not counting possible crits (Which are also technically procs) and the various damage buffs you can have active pushing it even further. That is a single attack at a cost of less than 4k Stamina. Is it really that much better than Zaan just because you use a small amount of resources?
Honestly, Zaan is far from the worst thing this game has had.
Absolutely Zaan is worse than bleeds. A bleed is a Dot which is a fundamental part of all D&D RPG style games. 20k procs from monster sets on the other hand are making bad players good. Ive never been one to whine about sets. i never said a word during the whole procblade fiasco. This is super dumb though. First of all for bleeds to even matter a build has to be centered around it. spec for it gear wise and cp wise. Zaan puts out more damage easily than any bleed build I've faced. If a player wants to spec all into something like bleeds then cool. but Zaan is a free 20k damage with no consequence.
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Zildjian2112✭✭✭-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
You forgot a few things. Let me help you with that though, bruh.
- Can be cleansed.
- Can be purged.
- Can be mitigated through shields/wards.
- Can be mitigated through Mist Form.
- Can be mitigated through things like Corrosive/Magma Armor.
- Can be healed through with ANY stamina build.
- Can be healed through with ANY magicka build.
There you go, comrade. All the best.
Best part of that is I'm a templar haha. Cant see it when in a large scale fight. Just die to it in like 2 seconds. Everything else is identifiable. Let's just keep listing all the counters that are available IF YOU COULD SEE IT IN BATTLE! You can't see it thats the problem. Its literally just a monster proc of SA. SA is easy to spot and heal through. this thing you can't see at all. No pronounced visual effect. Other than that tiny beam that gets drowned out by other visual noise.Edited by Zildjian2112 on March 5, 2018 6:13AM1 -
Barbaran✭✭✭✭-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
You forgot a few things. Let me help you with that though, bruh.
- Can be cleansed.
- Can be purged.
- Can be mitigated through shields/wards.
- Can be mitigated through Mist Form.
- Can be mitigated through things like Corrosive/Magma Armor.
- Can be healed through with ANY stamina build.
- Can be healed through with ANY magicka build.
There you go, comrade. All the best.
What Stam builds do you have that can heal 30k+ in 5 seconds4 -
WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Well, I mean - Zergs are just small "Armies" marching to War in the War PvP Zone, so... Kinda yeah, it's EZO - And I think that was the main intention.
With the AoE damage limits being removes, though - Well, maybe more AoEs are the solution to Zergs? How many AoEs can a single build get?
That's neither here nor there, though...
Anything in the hands of a Zerg is going to be horrible - Doesn't matter what it is.
The problem is devs thought this set was smart to add. Like really? We've complained about free crazy damage from sets since they started giving free crazy damage from sets. Why even add this stupid set? Aoe makes sense because of pve. Single target isn't awesome for pve. So they can't blame it on some pve pipe dream.
Single target is great in PvE boss fights.
"Free" damage from using your gear slots on that instead of something else isn't a major issue - If my time playing Diablo, Warframe, most other MMOs, or a large chunk of RPGs has taught me anything - Procs are fun, random chance is exciting, and it's always neat to see something activate - Especially in a tense moment.
Lets face it, a proper Bleed Build can do around the same as "Eye of the Storm" with the click of a single button - not counting possible crits (Which are also technically procs) and the various damage buffs you can have active pushing it even further. That is a single attack at a cost of less than 4k Stamina. Is it really that much better than Zaan just because you use a small amount of resources?
Honestly, Zaan is far from the worst thing this game has had.
Absolutely Zaan is worse than bleeds. A bleed is a Dot which is a fundamental part of all D&D RPG style games. 20k procs from monster sets on the other hand are making bad players good. Ive never been one to whine about sets. i never said a word during the whole procblade fiasco. This is super dumb though. First of all for bleeds to even matter a build has to be centered around it. spec for it gear wise and cp wise. Zaan puts out more damage easily than any bleed build I've faced. If a player wants to spec all into something like bleeds then cool. but Zaan is a free 20k damage with no consequence.
Setting yourself up entirely for a Bleed-Crit build leaves you with the horrible downside of having Good Gear, Good Sets, and doing insane Damage with a single attack.
If Zaan is beating it out in any form of PvP... Well, that's just flat impossible, honestly. Even a stage 4 vampire with nearly 0 Spell Defense would still take more from the Bleed DoT than they would from taking Zaan to the face.
I just don't see how you can compare the two, really.
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WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
You forgot a few things. Let me help you with that though, bruh.
- Can be cleansed.
- Can be purged.
- Can be mitigated through shields/wards.
- Can be mitigated through Mist Form.
- Can be mitigated through things like Corrosive/Magma Armor.
- Can be healed through with ANY stamina build.
- Can be healed through with ANY magicka build.
There you go, comrade. All the best.
What Stam builds do you have that can heal 30k+ in 5 seconds
If you're taking 30k+ from Zaan, you are -
Not in Cyrodiil
Don't have much in the ways of Defensive CPs
Not attempting to mitigate damage by blocking
Taking a full 8 ticks from someone wearing Elf Bane
and don't have very much Spell Resist.3 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
You forgot a few things. Let me help you with that though, bruh.
- Can be cleansed.
- Can be purged.
- Can be mitigated through shields/wards.
- Can be mitigated through Mist Form.
- Can be mitigated through things like Corrosive/Magma Armor.
- Can be healed through with ANY stamina build.
- Can be healed through with ANY magicka build.
There you go, comrade. All the best.
What Stam builds do you have that can heal 30k+ in 5 seconds
If you're taking 30k+ from Zaan, you are -
Not in Cyrodiil
Don't have much in the ways of Defensive CPs
Not attempting to mitigate damage by blocking
Taking a full 8 ticks from someone wearing Elf Bane
and don't have very much Spell Resist.
I have taken 12 k damage from zaan , i run heavy armor and am used to pvp/break CC/immovability. It was in no CP BG. ran away but cc, lag, many people everywhere, in the end I ended up on the ground.1 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
You forgot a few things. Let me help you with that though, bruh.
- Can be cleansed.
- Can be purged.
- Can be mitigated through shields/wards.
- Can be mitigated through Mist Form.
- Can be mitigated through things like Corrosive/Magma Armor.
- Can be healed through with ANY stamina build.
- Can be healed through with ANY magicka build.
There you go, comrade. All the best.
What Stam builds do you have that can heal 30k+ in 5 seconds
Any. I’ve fought numerous StamDK’s, StamPlars, and StamWardens who heal through Zaan like it’s just your ordinary DOT. CheeseBlades on the other hand are a hit or miss. Some can heal through it, while others just continue on rolling out of its effective range.0 -
Zildjian2112✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Well, I mean - Zergs are just small "Armies" marching to War in the War PvP Zone, so... Kinda yeah, it's EZO - And I think that was the main intention.
With the AoE damage limits being removes, though - Well, maybe more AoEs are the solution to Zergs? How many AoEs can a single build get?
That's neither here nor there, though...
Anything in the hands of a Zerg is going to be horrible - Doesn't matter what it is.
The problem is devs thought this set was smart to add. Like really? We've complained about free crazy damage from sets since they started giving free crazy damage from sets. Why even add this stupid set? Aoe makes sense because of pve. Single target isn't awesome for pve. So they can't blame it on some pve pipe dream.
Single target is great in PvE boss fights.
"Free" damage from using your gear slots on that instead of something else isn't a major issue - If my time playing Diablo, Warframe, most other MMOs, or a large chunk of RPGs has taught me anything - Procs are fun, random chance is exciting, and it's always neat to see something activate - Especially in a tense moment.
Lets face it, a proper Bleed Build can do around the same as "Eye of the Storm" with the click of a single button - not counting possible crits (Which are also technically procs) and the various damage buffs you can have active pushing it even further. That is a single attack at a cost of less than 4k Stamina. Is it really that much better than Zaan just because you use a small amount of resources?
Honestly, Zaan is far from the worst thing this game has had.
Absolutely Zaan is worse than bleeds. A bleed is a Dot which is a fundamental part of all D&D RPG style games. 20k procs from monster sets on the other hand are making bad players good. Ive never been one to whine about sets. i never said a word during the whole procblade fiasco. This is super dumb though. First of all for bleeds to even matter a build has to be centered around it. spec for it gear wise and cp wise. Zaan puts out more damage easily than any bleed build I've faced. If a player wants to spec all into something like bleeds then cool. but Zaan is a free 20k damage with no consequence.
Setting yourself up entirely for a Bleed-Crit build leaves you with the horrible downside of having Good Gear, Good Sets, and doing insane Damage with a single attack.
If Zaan is beating it out in any form of PvP... Well, that's just flat impossible, honestly. Even a stage 4 vampire with nearly 0 Spell Defense would still take more from the Bleed DoT than they would from taking Zaan to the face.
I just don't see how you can compare the two, really.
Lol the difference is one is a build one is a 2 piece? 1 requires intent and a play style the other requires nothing but a light attack...i don't really see how anyone is defending this unless they already farmed it up and want some time with it before its nerfed (which will inevitably happen).1 -
Zildjian2112✭✭✭-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
You forgot a few things. Let me help you with that though, bruh.
- Can be cleansed.
- Can be purged.
- Can be mitigated through shields/wards.
- Can be mitigated through Mist Form.
- Can be mitigated through things like Corrosive/Magma Armor.
- Can be healed through with ANY stamina build.
- Can be healed through with ANY magicka build.
There you go, comrade. All the best.
What Stam builds do you have that can heal 30k+ in 5 seconds
Any. I’ve fought numerous StamDK’s, StamPlars, and StamWardens who heal through Zaan like it’s just your ordinary DOT. CheeseBlades on the other hand are a hit or miss. Some can heal through it, while others just continue on rolling out of its effective range.
Yeah id like to see them heal through a talons/zaan inside a thunderous rage like i had tonight lol. RIP. Don't care who you are its insta death. Things i could normally get away from or heal through don't work now because Zaan adds an additional 17-20k on top before i can even recognize whats going on. The problem is not with the damage 1v1 purge and its gone. the problem is the unidentifiable 20k damage you are sustaining while a billion other effects are popping all over your screen.0 -
WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Well, I mean - Zergs are just small "Armies" marching to War in the War PvP Zone, so... Kinda yeah, it's EZO - And I think that was the main intention.
With the AoE damage limits being removes, though - Well, maybe more AoEs are the solution to Zergs? How many AoEs can a single build get?
That's neither here nor there, though...
Anything in the hands of a Zerg is going to be horrible - Doesn't matter what it is.
The problem is devs thought this set was smart to add. Like really? We've complained about free crazy damage from sets since they started giving free crazy damage from sets. Why even add this stupid set? Aoe makes sense because of pve. Single target isn't awesome for pve. So they can't blame it on some pve pipe dream.
Single target is great in PvE boss fights.
"Free" damage from using your gear slots on that instead of something else isn't a major issue - If my time playing Diablo, Warframe, most other MMOs, or a large chunk of RPGs has taught me anything - Procs are fun, random chance is exciting, and it's always neat to see something activate - Especially in a tense moment.
Lets face it, a proper Bleed Build can do around the same as "Eye of the Storm" with the click of a single button - not counting possible crits (Which are also technically procs) and the various damage buffs you can have active pushing it even further. That is a single attack at a cost of less than 4k Stamina. Is it really that much better than Zaan just because you use a small amount of resources?
Honestly, Zaan is far from the worst thing this game has had.
Absolutely Zaan is worse than bleeds. A bleed is a Dot which is a fundamental part of all D&D RPG style games. 20k procs from monster sets on the other hand are making bad players good. Ive never been one to whine about sets. i never said a word during the whole procblade fiasco. This is super dumb though. First of all for bleeds to even matter a build has to be centered around it. spec for it gear wise and cp wise. Zaan puts out more damage easily than any bleed build I've faced. If a player wants to spec all into something like bleeds then cool. but Zaan is a free 20k damage with no consequence.
Setting yourself up entirely for a Bleed-Crit build leaves you with the horrible downside of having Good Gear, Good Sets, and doing insane Damage with a single attack.
If Zaan is beating it out in any form of PvP... Well, that's just flat impossible, honestly. Even a stage 4 vampire with nearly 0 Spell Defense would still take more from the Bleed DoT than they would from taking Zaan to the face.
I just don't see how you can compare the two, really.
Lol the difference is one is a build one is a 2 piece? 1 requires intent and a play style the other requires nothing but a light attack...i don't really see how anyone is defending this unless they already farmed it up and want some time with it before its nerfed (which will inevitably happen).
Yeah, but to get good DPS out of Zaan, you have to build around it to a degree - And even then, it's Damage output is less than half what a well-crafted Bleed Build can do...
Of course, if you took away all the "build" aspects of it, the Bleed set-up is still just a 2-piece set and 1 skill (and even with just those two things, it still does as much if not more DPS than Zaan as just a 2 piece and some Light Attacks.)0 -
Zildjian2112✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Well, I mean - Zergs are just small "Armies" marching to War in the War PvP Zone, so... Kinda yeah, it's EZO - And I think that was the main intention.
With the AoE damage limits being removes, though - Well, maybe more AoEs are the solution to Zergs? How many AoEs can a single build get?
That's neither here nor there, though...
Anything in the hands of a Zerg is going to be horrible - Doesn't matter what it is.
The problem is devs thought this set was smart to add. Like really? We've complained about free crazy damage from sets since they started giving free crazy damage from sets. Why even add this stupid set? Aoe makes sense because of pve. Single target isn't awesome for pve. So they can't blame it on some pve pipe dream.
Single target is great in PvE boss fights.
"Free" damage from using your gear slots on that instead of something else isn't a major issue - If my time playing Diablo, Warframe, most other MMOs, or a large chunk of RPGs has taught me anything - Procs are fun, random chance is exciting, and it's always neat to see something activate - Especially in a tense moment.
Lets face it, a proper Bleed Build can do around the same as "Eye of the Storm" with the click of a single button - not counting possible crits (Which are also technically procs) and the various damage buffs you can have active pushing it even further. That is a single attack at a cost of less than 4k Stamina. Is it really that much better than Zaan just because you use a small amount of resources?
Honestly, Zaan is far from the worst thing this game has had.
Absolutely Zaan is worse than bleeds. A bleed is a Dot which is a fundamental part of all D&D RPG style games. 20k procs from monster sets on the other hand are making bad players good. Ive never been one to whine about sets. i never said a word during the whole procblade fiasco. This is super dumb though. First of all for bleeds to even matter a build has to be centered around it. spec for it gear wise and cp wise. Zaan puts out more damage easily than any bleed build I've faced. If a player wants to spec all into something like bleeds then cool. but Zaan is a free 20k damage with no consequence.
Setting yourself up entirely for a Bleed-Crit build leaves you with the horrible downside of having Good Gear, Good Sets, and doing insane Damage with a single attack.
If Zaan is beating it out in any form of PvP... Well, that's just flat impossible, honestly. Even a stage 4 vampire with nearly 0 Spell Defense would still take more from the Bleed DoT than they would from taking Zaan to the face.
I just don't see how you can compare the two, really.
Lol the difference is one is a build one is a 2 piece? 1 requires intent and a play style the other requires nothing but a light attack...i don't really see how anyone is defending this unless they already farmed it up and want some time with it before its nerfed (which will inevitably happen).
Yeah, but to get good DPS out of Zaan, you have to build around it to a degree - And even then, it's Damage output is less than half what a well-crafted Bleed Build can do...
Of course, if you took away all the "build" aspects of it, the Bleed set-up is still just a 2-piece set and 1 skill (and even with just those two things, it still does as much if not more DPS than Zaan as just a 2 piece and some Light Attacks.)
Build around it how? It's buffed by thaum and elemental expert which a templar already spec into pretty heavily. Also buffed by sun and elf bane and dark elf passives and that is every magdk i know of lol. What specific things do i need to spec into?0 -
Bhaal5✭✭✭✭✭
✭-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
You forgot a few things. Let me help you with that though, bruh.
- Can be cleansed.
- Can be purged.
- Can be mitigated through shields/wards.
- Can be mitigated through Mist Form.
- Can be mitigated through things like Corrosive/Magma Armor.
- Can be healed through with ANY stamina build.
- Can be healed through with ANY magicka build.
There you go, comrade. All the best.
Didnt want to use big words.... There are SO many ways around it plus its single target
18sec between procs last 5 secs... Pretty fair ratio there.
Are well we gave them some choices, hopefully they can learn a bit and move on1 -
Zildjian2112✭✭✭-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
You forgot a few things. Let me help you with that though, bruh.
- Can be cleansed.
- Can be purged.
- Can be mitigated through shields/wards.
- Can be mitigated through Mist Form.
- Can be mitigated through things like Corrosive/Magma Armor.
- Can be healed through with ANY stamina build.
- Can be healed through with ANY magicka build.
There you go, comrade. All the best.
Didnt want to use big words.... There are SO many ways around it plus its single target
18sec between procs last 5 secs... Pretty fair ratio there.
Are well we gave them some choices, hopefully they can learn a bit and move on
None of this has to do with the fact that you can't identify the proc in medium to large scale fights...
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Bhaal5✭✭✭✭✭
✭Zildjian2112 wrote: »-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
You forgot a few things. Let me help you with that though, bruh.
- Can be cleansed.
- Can be purged.
- Can be mitigated through shields/wards.
- Can be mitigated through Mist Form.
- Can be mitigated through things like Corrosive/Magma Armor.
- Can be healed through with ANY stamina build.
- Can be healed through with ANY magicka build.
There you go, comrade. All the best.
Didnt want to use big words.... There are SO many ways around it plus its single target
18sec between procs last 5 secs... Pretty fair ratio there.
Are well we gave them some choices, hopefully they can learn a bit and move on
None of this has to do with the fact that you can't identify the proc in medium to large scale fights...
You cant identify alot of things
Example:
-grothdar
-skoria
-veli
-selenes
So your point is? Think you want them to fix server performance not the monster set?1 -
Zildjian2112✭✭✭Zildjian2112 wrote: »-18sec proc time
-20% chance of proc with only light or heavy attack
-cloak breaks it
-line of sight breaks it
-distance breaks it
-Stealth pots break it
Please just pick one and move on
You forgot a few things. Let me help you with that though, bruh.
- Can be cleansed.
- Can be purged.
- Can be mitigated through shields/wards.
- Can be mitigated through Mist Form.
- Can be mitigated through things like Corrosive/Magma Armor.
- Can be healed through with ANY stamina build.
- Can be healed through with ANY magicka build.
There you go, comrade. All the best.
Didnt want to use big words.... There are SO many ways around it plus its single target
18sec between procs last 5 secs... Pretty fair ratio there.
Are well we gave them some choices, hopefully they can learn a bit and move on
None of this has to do with the fact that you can't identify the proc in medium to large scale fights...
You cant identify alot of things
Example:
-grothdar
-skoria
-veli
-selenes
So your point is? Think you want them to fix server performance not the monster set?
LMAO i can see and counter literally all of those things...Selenes has a cone, grothdarr has a big pink aoe, skoria i can hear, Veli has a cone.....skoria is probably the toughest i just hold block anytime i hear the telegraph whether its meteor or skoria. Cool thing is i can can even pick them out in a visually busy fight. Have yet to be able to see Zaan to counter it.
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WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Zildjian2112 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Well, I mean - Zergs are just small "Armies" marching to War in the War PvP Zone, so... Kinda yeah, it's EZO - And I think that was the main intention.
With the AoE damage limits being removes, though - Well, maybe more AoEs are the solution to Zergs? How many AoEs can a single build get?
That's neither here nor there, though...
Anything in the hands of a Zerg is going to be horrible - Doesn't matter what it is.
The problem is devs thought this set was smart to add. Like really? We've complained about free crazy damage from sets since they started giving free crazy damage from sets. Why even add this stupid set? Aoe makes sense because of pve. Single target isn't awesome for pve. So they can't blame it on some pve pipe dream.
Single target is great in PvE boss fights.
"Free" damage from using your gear slots on that instead of something else isn't a major issue - If my time playing Diablo, Warframe, most other MMOs, or a large chunk of RPGs has taught me anything - Procs are fun, random chance is exciting, and it's always neat to see something activate - Especially in a tense moment.
Lets face it, a proper Bleed Build can do around the same as "Eye of the Storm" with the click of a single button - not counting possible crits (Which are also technically procs) and the various damage buffs you can have active pushing it even further. That is a single attack at a cost of less than 4k Stamina. Is it really that much better than Zaan just because you use a small amount of resources?
Honestly, Zaan is far from the worst thing this game has had.
Absolutely Zaan is worse than bleeds. A bleed is a Dot which is a fundamental part of all D&D RPG style games. 20k procs from monster sets on the other hand are making bad players good. Ive never been one to whine about sets. i never said a word during the whole procblade fiasco. This is super dumb though. First of all for bleeds to even matter a build has to be centered around it. spec for it gear wise and cp wise. Zaan puts out more damage easily than any bleed build I've faced. If a player wants to spec all into something like bleeds then cool. but Zaan is a free 20k damage with no consequence.
Setting yourself up entirely for a Bleed-Crit build leaves you with the horrible downside of having Good Gear, Good Sets, and doing insane Damage with a single attack.
If Zaan is beating it out in any form of PvP... Well, that's just flat impossible, honestly. Even a stage 4 vampire with nearly 0 Spell Defense would still take more from the Bleed DoT than they would from taking Zaan to the face.
I just don't see how you can compare the two, really.
Lol the difference is one is a build one is a 2 piece? 1 requires intent and a play style the other requires nothing but a light attack...i don't really see how anyone is defending this unless they already farmed it up and want some time with it before its nerfed (which will inevitably happen).
Yeah, but to get good DPS out of Zaan, you have to build around it to a degree - And even then, it's Damage output is less than half what a well-crafted Bleed Build can do...
Of course, if you took away all the "build" aspects of it, the Bleed set-up is still just a 2-piece set and 1 skill (and even with just those two things, it still does as much if not more DPS than Zaan as just a 2 piece and some Light Attacks.)
Build around it how? It's buffed by thaum and elemental expert which a templar already spec into pretty heavily. Also buffed by sun and elf bane and dark elf passives and that is every magdk i know of lol. What specific things do i need to spec into?
And how many Stam DPS builds already have CP set for Thaum? Perfect for a Bleed set up.
Also, I'm fairly sure Monster Sets don't get buffed by CP. If I'm wrong... Well.. Damn..
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