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DPS having a lot of variance on 3million dummy?

Azyle1
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So my Stamblade hits about 40K - 41K on a 3 million dummy with 2 fang and hundings.

This seems fine, but sometimes despite doing the same exact rotation, it'll drop to like 39.5K or (and perhaps more infuriating) I have hit a maximum of 43K!

HOW? WHY? WHAT? I mean do lucky crits REALLY make that much of a difference? I keep hitting a dummy over and over and over to try to figure out what's going on.
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Yes. Do a 6 million.
  • Asardes
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    3M is pretty useless because the timing of an ultimate can make a really big difference and some players trick that further by using an otherwise unsustainable rotation, running out of resources at the end. 6M or bigger is far more relevant.
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  • Danksta
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    The shorter the fight the more likely to get lucky (or unlucky) crits. You're killing the 3 mil dummy in about 75 seconds.
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  • Azyle1
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    Thanks all. I do wonder though. Did the patch yesterday change anything? Like I know Stamblades got a small buff, but another stamblade in my guild said they dropped in DPS when the patch landed and had to work on getting it back up for a few hours.
  • LiquidPony
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    In particular on a Nightblade, your crit rate on Assassin's Will and Killer's Blade/Impale will make a huge difference in your DPS.

    Say you finish a parse and you get 6 straight Killer's Blades that crit for 40k.

    Then you do another and you get 10 that don't crit, for 25k.

    That's a ~4 second difference in your parse, and particularly on the 3mil dummy that 4 seconds makes a *massive* difference in your DPS. A 70-second parse is ~43k DPS; a 74-second parse is ~40.5k.
    Edited by LiquidPony on February 28, 2018 5:51PM
  • Azyle1
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    LiquidPony wrote: »
    In particular on a Nightblade, your crit rate on Assassin's Will and Killer's Blade/Impale will make a huge difference in your DPS.

    Say you finish a parse and you get 6 straight Killer's Blades that crit for 40k.

    Then you do another and you get 10 that don't crit, for 25k.

    That's a ~4 second difference in your parse, and particularly on the 3mil dummy that 4 seconds makes a *massive* difference in your DPS. A 70-second parse is ~43k DPS; a 74-second parse is ~40.5k.

    Yeah, that seems to be the case.

    40K is good enough for any vet trials though, correct?
  • LiquidPony
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    Azyle1 wrote: »
    LiquidPony wrote: »
    In particular on a Nightblade, your crit rate on Assassin's Will and Killer's Blade/Impale will make a huge difference in your DPS.

    Say you finish a parse and you get 6 straight Killer's Blades that crit for 40k.

    Then you do another and you get 10 that don't crit, for 25k.

    That's a ~4 second difference in your parse, and particularly on the 3mil dummy that 4 seconds makes a *massive* difference in your DPS. A 70-second parse is ~43k DPS; a 74-second parse is ~40.5k.

    Yeah, that seems to be the case.

    40K is good enough for any vet trials though, correct?

    Probably but it's hard to say, because it's far too easy to cheese a 3mil skeleton parse with pen sets or goofy CP or with a rotation that can't be sustained in a real Trials fight.

    The real benchmark is in-raid parses on PC or group parses on the 52mil skeleton on console.
  • Asardes
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    Stamina Nightblade parses don't benefit from the same augmentation as other classes from trial buffs because you have Major Fracture and Minor Berserk almost 100% from your own skills, while other classes depend on tank and healer for those respectively. So they may reach higher numbers on dummy, but in trials the difference is much smaller.
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    Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 18 |
    Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 18 |
    Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 18 |
    Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 18 |
    Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 15 |
    Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 15 |
    Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 15 |
    Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 15 |

    Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 4 |
    Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
    Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 3 |
    Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 3 |
    Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 3 |
    Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 3 |
    Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 3 |
  • Sizzyy
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    I’m over seeing people talk about cheesing a dummy when all you are doing is providing yourself with the pen and buffs you would receive from the group anyway. If you hit 40k on a dummy then swap tfs and the pen points out to master at arms. When you receive that pen for free from the tank and other DD. With the exact same rotation you will undoubtedly hit more than 40k. Then factor combat prayer SPC and easier sustain from your healers master Resto... the whole cheese the dummy response is annoying and comes from people who lack the skill to ‘cheese the dummy’.

    40k is great dps and you will fit in any vet trial. As you are probably aware though your Nb is capable of a little more if you chase war machine set.
  • SquareSausage
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    Sizzyy wrote: »
    I’m over seeing people talk about cheesing a dummy when all you are doing is providing yourself with the pen and buffs you would receive from the group anyway. If you hit 40k on a dummy then swap tfs and the pen points out to master at arms. When you receive that pen for free from the tank and other DD. With the exact same rotation you will undoubtedly hit more than 40k. Then factor combat prayer SPC and easier sustain from your healers master Resto... the whole cheese the dummy response is annoying and comes from people who lack the skill to ‘cheese the dummy’.

    40k is great dps and you will fit in any vet trial. As you are probably aware though your Nb is capable of a little more if you chase war machine set.

    Yea agreed, its hardly cheesing when in a trial you can realocate the CP better or drop ele drain from your bar, change mundus from lover and your dps will actually go up. You're not inflating your numbers as you

    getting to 18k pen by yourself is actually gimping yourself compared to trial conditions.
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