CP 290 low dps

UglyBunnyCu

So i have over 300 hours in eso and have sticked to one character, the very first one i made from beginning. And as new player i didn't understand how much picking class mattered.
I have looked up guides, tutorials and suggested builds but they are meant for higher cp's or were really confusing. Having low damage since beginning i became healer and have been doing pretty fine actually, really good even and have been praised, but also people have not given me chance at times and votekicks me just because i am not Templar. I wont start new character and do all the adventure, quests and progress all over again, i'd rather just suck it up and be what i chosen blindly. I really wish they added class change that anyone could use just one time ever or as token. If someone please, be so kind and guide me to be effective as possible while low cp'd and maybe give me clear ready build where i can start. And i mostly don't care about pvp i want to effective in vet dungeons and trials, and i have, but only as healer. Where do i put my stat points, champion points and continue from there on? I see level 11's taking down enemies you encounter first time in game in few hits, even for newbie enemies when i attack them its like poking with stick.

LeagueTroll

R u a nightblade by any chance, because nightblade already can have higher hps than templar.

UglyBunnyCu

LeagueTroll wrote: »

R u a nightblade by any chance, because nightblade already can have higher hps than templar.

i am nightblade yeah, you saying we do more healing than templar? Then why am i getting mocked for being nightblade healer?

LeagueTroll

UglyBunnyCu wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

R u a nightblade by any chance, because nightblade already can have higher hps than templar.

i am nightblade yeah, you saying we do more healing than templar? Then why am i getting mocked for being nightblade healer?

Because ppl are bad and they don’t stand in healing springs and must need breath of life to stay alive. most stuff in the game can be done w/o bol anyways.

josiahva

I actually prefer a nightblade healer in certain dungeons...vCoS for example is a lot smoother with a nightblade healer because the arenas are small and a nightblade healer can do more off-DPS than a templar. Magicka nightblades can do really high damage at the moment, so your class is fine if you want to go DPS, and I dont mind nightblade healers either, its only very specific times a templar healer is needed.

rhapsodious

UglyBunnyCu wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

R u a nightblade by any chance, because nightblade already can have higher hps than templar.

i am nightblade yeah, you saying we do more healing than templar? Then why am i getting mocked for being nightblade healer?

Nightblades are perfectly fine healers, but some content prefers burst healing over potent heals-over-time (HOTs). Templars have better burst healing, but that isn't to say that nightblades can't heal. Also, people who stand in stupid will come to rely on burst heals. People who don't stand in stupid will appreciate you.

A lot of it, especially if you're playing with players around your level, is misconception in regards to the difference between better classes for a role and required classes for a role. For example, a DK tank is going to outperform other classes most of the time due to their skills and passives, but that isn't to say that only DKs can tank. If you asked me to blindly pick a tank, would I pick the DK? Yeah. But if you gave me a sorc tank in dungeon finder, I'd roll with it unless they were really having trouble with basic tasks. Picky people shouldn't use dungeon finder. <.<

Do you have access to DLC? If you do, try finding a group who will give you a chance to go through White-Gold Tower - it doesn't have to be on vet. You'll get Spell Power Cure from there which is an amazing set for healers. You can also run Vaults of Madness for Worm's Raiment. I would suggest Mending which drops from Aetherian Archive, but if your issue is people not believing you, then you might be hard pressed to find a group.

UglyBunnyCu

LeagueTroll wrote: »

UglyBunnyCu wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

R u a nightblade by any chance, because nightblade already can have higher hps than templar.

i am nightblade yeah, you saying we do more healing than templar? Then why am i getting mocked for being nightblade healer?

Because ppl are bad and they don’t stand in healing springs and must need breath of life to stay alive. most stuff in the game can be done w/o bol anyways.

Well thanks, i'll just keep going as healer unless i get answers, im not interested in nightblade skills or abilities much, only thing i find useful is shadow cloak. But if someone teaches me how to use them effective way specially in vet dungeons/trials i can do it, but all the guides are for higher cp's. I've been healer for 300 hours and want to try something else, like do some damage?

UglyBunnyCu

rhapsodious wrote: »

UglyBunnyCu wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

R u a nightblade by any chance, because nightblade already can have higher hps than templar.

i am nightblade yeah, you saying we do more healing than templar? Then why am i getting mocked for being nightblade healer?

Nightblades are perfectly fine healers, but some content prefers burst healing over potent heals-over-time (HOTs). Templars have better burst healing, but that isn't to say that nightblades can't heal. Also, people who stand in stupid will come to rely on burst heals. People who don't stand in stupid will appreciate you.

A lot of it, especially if you're playing with players around your level, is misconception in regards to the difference between better classes for a role and required classes for a role. For example, a DK tank is going to outperform other classes most of the time due to their skills and passives, but that isn't to say that only DKs can tank. If you asked me to blindly pick a tank, would I pick the DK? Yeah. But if you gave me a sorc tank in dungeon finder, I'd roll with it unless they were really having trouble with basic tasks. Picky people shouldn't use dungeon finder. <.<

Do you have access to DLC? If you do, try finding a group who will give you a chance to go through White-Gold Tower - it doesn't have to be on vet. You'll get Spell Power Cure from there which is an amazing set for healers. You can also run Vaults of Madness for Worm's Raiment. I would suggest Mending which drops from Aetherian Archive, but if your issue is people not believing you, then you might be hard pressed to find a group.

thank you very much and to everyone i'll keep going as healer!

pewbis

UglyBunnyCu wrote: »

Well thanks, i'll just keep going as healer unless i get answers, im not interested in nightblade skills or abilities much, only thing i find useful is shadow cloak. But if someone teaches me how to use them effective way specially in vet dungeons/trials i can do it, but all the guides are for higher cp's. I've been healer for 300 hours and want to try something else, like do some damage?

In PvE, you do not want shadow cloak to be on your bar. Here is a NB healer build I made for myself. I'm not sure how meta it is, but you can always look up other builds online.

http://eso-skillfactory.com/en/build/nightblade/night-doctor/15445/

NB skills you should definitely be running are funnel health, for a good dps off heal, sap essence to heal and quickly clear trash mobs, and refreshing path for an AOE heal. I think the NB execute ability Impale is always useful to have to rush down the final bit of health on any boss as well.

Actually, the fact that you're running shadow cloak worries me a bit... It's a skill basically designed to gank in PvP, or for use in very niche, uncompetitive, "fun" PvE builds. As a healer, I'm not sure when that ability would be useful, and the fact that it's the NB ability you find MOST useful on your bar might highlight a deeper issue, that you don't understand your kit/the role of the healer in PvE that well...

Asgari

NB healer is ok, it is just not ideal. They dont have a burst heal for the group. Just lots of hots and a healing ward. When things get sticky and you need a burst the templar is bis for this. Which is why id rather have a templar healer/dps than a nb healer/dps any day of the week.

josiahva

Asgari wrote: »

NB healer is ok, it is just not ideal. They dont have a burst heal for the group. Just lots of hots and a healing ward. When things get sticky and you need a burst the templar is bis for this. Which is why id rather have a templar healer/dps than a nb healer/dps any day of the week.

Wrong. Mutagen works just fine as a burst heal, so does healing springs for that matter if spell damage is high enough. As a tank, the only skills that are marginally better than other classes are shards and ritual(which allows me to cleanse at my leisure) aside from those two skills, the templar really brings nothing that other classes dont, speaking as the role that generally requires the most healing.

Tenn60

If you are part of a guild just make sure you take a guildmate with you that way a vote to kick will never pass unless you are just doing really poorly, if not join a guild, there are a lot of benifits and some really cool and laid back guilds. I would avoid trial guilds that go for leaderboard scores as they will most likely not allow you in on nb some will but most are very picky on classes and group set up. Stick to guilds that are more on the social side as those are usually more focused on just doing stuff together and have a little more patience. As stated above dark cloak really isn’t super effective in dungeons or trials, so I would maybe play a little with other skills and ask around if you join a guild or in text chat usually there is someone who is willing to help. Ignore people who make fun of your class because most likely they are using a cookie cutter build and have to wait to be told how to play their class/role. Learning through trial and error will help you in the long run as skills and armour change. It is not for everyone but there are ways to practice your role and test different builds and skills out find world bosses that someone is fighting solo or small group and just practice healing them and getting a solid rotation for yourself. Good luck!

Stinkyremy

I would suggest to play the game for fun first rather than meta. Build your main based on your desired race and class, quest, dungeon, do dlc, try pvp ect.
Then when you get to end game, after doing all of that, being max cp, then worry about building a meta char, and if your main, the one you created first isn't a part of that meta, well that is what we have alts for.

Also, little tip. Punctuation helps in getting your point across. A wall of text is an offence on the eyes.

UglyBunnyCu

pewbis wrote: »

UglyBunnyCu wrote: »

Well thanks, i'll just keep going as healer unless i get answers, im not interested in nightblade skills or abilities much, only thing i find useful is shadow cloak. But if someone teaches me how to use them effective way specially in vet dungeons/trials i can do it, but all the guides are for higher cp's. I've been healer for 300 hours and want to try something else, like do some damage?

In PvE, you do not want shadow cloak to be on your bar. Here is a NB healer build I made for myself. I'm not sure how meta it is, but you can always look up other builds online.

http://eso-skillfactory.com/en/build/nightblade/night-doctor/15445/

NB skills you should definitely be running are funnel health, for a good dps off heal, sap essence to heal and quickly clear trash mobs, and refreshing path for an AOE heal. I think the NB execute ability Impale is always useful to have to rush down the final bit of health on any boss as well.

Actually, the fact that you're running shadow cloak worries me a bit... It's a skill basically designed to gank in PvP, or for use in very niche, uncompetitive, "fun" PvE builds. As a healer, I'm not sure when that ability would be useful, and the fact that it's the NB ability you find MOST useful on your bar might highlight a deeper issue, that you don't understand your kit/the role of the healer in PvE that well...

no no nooo i didnt say im using shadow cloak in pve i meant its only thing i found useful, used it in pvp to outran enemy alliances or skip enemies i dont like but not in trials or dungeons or any team work based pve

Xundiin

UglyBunnyCu wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

R u a nightblade by any chance, because nightblade already can have higher hps than templar.

i am nightblade yeah, you saying we do more healing than templar? Then why am i getting mocked for being nightblade healer?

As someone who also plays a NB healer (best healer imho) people are dumb and narrow minded. It'll be harder to get into groups and when you do random pugs you'll always see comments like "A NB healer? That's a first" or "Oh... you're not a templar, we need a templar. A real healer." Or my favorite just get kicked beause OMG SHARDS AND BOL EZ MODE!!!!

Only way to over come it is to prove you are a good healer. I've been told by many people that I group with that I've healed better than most templars.

If you love the class and healing playstyle (like I do), try and find a group that you can run with all the time and would be happy to have you come heal them through various content.

kargen27

https://alcasthq.com/

You might go there and look at some of the builds. They usually include options for gear that will work well until you manage to get the best gear. Also includes a 300 CP build that can be used until you get more Champion Points.

Inarre

I see you prefer to be dd and are looking for some low cp builds. Unfortunately, Nb being my least played class, and myself being a mediocre dd at best this isn't my realm.

That said alcasthq.com has some great builds to try, he also includes cp 300 set ups for each build.

Just looked he has both stam and mag night blade dps for dragon bones patch up and both have 300cp versions. Try one of them out and go from there. You can probably even tryout the build and just equip your healer gear for dungeons until you're comfortable if you want to keep both as an option.

Edit: in case I misunderstand and you want to be healer instead, I think there are healer builds for nb too

Ep1kMalware

LeagueTroll wrote: »

UglyBunnyCu wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

R u a nightblade by any chance, because nightblade already can have higher hps than templar.

i am nightblade yeah, you saying we do more healing than templar? Then why am i getting mocked for being nightblade healer?

Because ppl are bad and they don’t stand in healing springs and must need breath of life to stay alive. most stuff in the game can be done w/o bol anyways.

Bol is an oh *** heal. Intelligent teamates don;t need oh *** heals

kargen27

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

UglyBunnyCu wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

R u a nightblade by any chance, because nightblade already can have higher hps than templar.

i am nightblade yeah, you saying we do more healing than templar? Then why am i getting mocked for being nightblade healer?

Because ppl are bad and they don’t stand in healing springs and must need breath of life to stay alive. most stuff in the game can be done w/o bol anyways.

Bol is an oh *** heal. Intelligent teamates don;t need oh *** heals

Sometimes they do because bad RNG can happen with mechanics. Good groups though the healer usually does more buffing than healing.

Psycho_Wes

It’s 2018, don’t need a healer in 4 man content anymore. 3 deeps onry.

Everstorm

Every class can do respectable dps, nightblade included. Downside for NB is that you really need to practice on weaving in light attacks between skills to get the most out of grim focus.
Dps depends more on your personal skills to keep a proper rotation going (while staying alive through whatever mobs are throwing at you) than on your class, cp or even gear.

Ratzkifal

I recently queued for vROM since it was a pledge and we got a 170CP NB healer. We said we would try it anyway, but after two pretty pathetic attemps at the argonian behemoth, we thought we would need to kick him because his heals were just not good enough. We explained the situation and he understood. We then agreed to one more try and... we won.
We then finished the entire dungeon, mostly because a templar tank can heal with repentance, but when he was dead already his healing wasn't too bad.
CP matter the most for DDs and the least for healers.

Turelus

LeagueTroll wrote: »

UglyBunnyCu wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

R u a nightblade by any chance, because nightblade already can have higher hps than templar.

i am nightblade yeah, you saying we do more healing than templar? Then why am i getting mocked for being nightblade healer?

Because ppl are bad and they don’t stand in healing springs and must need breath of life to stay alive. most stuff in the game can be done w/o bol anyways.

Truest statement of the state of mind of most players in a long time.

SydneyGrey

Psycho_Wes wrote: »

It’s 2018, don’t need a healer in 4 man content anymore. 3 deeps onry.

You do if you PUG.
I've been PUGging a lot of normal dungeons lately trying to max Undaunted on my warden healer. I keep getting put in with people who are level 24, level 42, CP16, etc ... some of these lower-level people are so squishy they'd die immediately if I wasn't there healing them. They're really too low level to be doing dungeons at all in my opinion, but it depends on the skill of the player. Trust me, they need a healer. Badly.

Asardes

Nightblade is quite easy, just spam Funnel Health, keep your DoTs and keep Siphoning Attacks and Merciless Resolve up, proc the latter when it's up.

Gnortranermara

In my experience, most people who have low DPS just have broken builds. Bad gear (weapon choice, sets, traits, enchants, and quality) and a bad rotation (or no proper rotation) will result in bad DPS. The fix is simple:

Fix your gear. This starter setup can pull very good DPS: Get all divines Julianos crafted with Max Magicka enchants. Use 3 arcane Willpower jewelry. Use Valkyn Skoria head and shoulders (Or Grothdarr temporarily if you can't finish COA2 yet). Always run a minimum of 5 light no matter what. Use a heavy Julianos chest and 1 medium (either the Juli legs or one of the Skoria pieces). For weapons, 1 Inferno and 1 Lightning, both infused. (Set doesn't matter, just make them Julianos if you want. Eventually you want to replace these with special weapons.) Enchant both with the opposite element damage glyph (shock on fire, fire on shock). Get your weapons GOLD and armor should be at least purple. This setup is not perfect, but it's the basic cookie-cutter starter setup which can be very close to the effectiveness of endgame setups.

Fix your rotation. Place your abilities on your bars in order. Make sure AOEs are on the lightning bar and single target attacks (Impale especially) are on the fire bar. You should activate them consistently in the same order every time. You should activate 3-5 DoT abilities, then either (1) activate your spammable Swallow Soul a few times or (2) lightning heavy attack (decide which one to do based on your resource needs). Rinse and repeat. In execute phase (<25%) keep your DoTs up and spam Impale instead of Swallow Soul. Remember to weave light attacks between each ability.

Other things to fix. Get all class passives, light armor passives, racial passives, Mage's Guild, etc. Optimize your blue CP (if the calculator is too complicated just split between: elemental defender, thaum, elfborn, master-at-arms, spell erosion). Use bistat (Max Magicka, Max Health) food. Ensure your build is getting Major Sorcery and Major Prophecy buffs from somewhere (skills or potions).

Practice on a target dummy. Use the Precursor (just to get used to your rotation) and then move up to the 3mil dummy (for a proper test). If you do everything here, you should be able to get up to ~20k easily, even with low CP. That'll give you a good starting point for further gains. Start running with a guild that can help you farm better end-game gear and teach you more advanced rotations.

Psycho_Wes

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Psycho_Wes wrote: »

It’s 2018, don’t need a healer in 4 man content anymore. 3 deeps onry.

You do if you PUG.
I've been PUGging a lot of normal dungeons lately trying to max Undaunted on my warden healer. I keep getting put in with people who are level 24, level 42, CP16, etc ... some of these lower-level people are so squishy they'd die immediately if I wasn't there healing them. They're really too low level to be doing dungeons at all in my opinion, but it depends on the skill of the player. Trust me, they need a healer. Badly.

That’s your first problem, well your first problem is being a warden healer but thats besides the point lol. It’ll take forever getting undaunted up just doing normals. Grab 3 friends and run thru the easy vet dungeons getting the speed/no death/hard mode achievements and you’ll get undaunted 9 in a few hours.

ccfeeling

Roll a templar better , different World.
NB passives good at dmg only...

AlnilamE

Psycho_Wes wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Psycho_Wes wrote: »

It’s 2018, don’t need a healer in 4 man content anymore. 3 deeps onry.

You do if you PUG.
I've been PUGging a lot of normal dungeons lately trying to max Undaunted on my warden healer. I keep getting put in with people who are level 24, level 42, CP16, etc ... some of these lower-level people are so squishy they'd die immediately if I wasn't there healing them. They're really too low level to be doing dungeons at all in my opinion, but it depends on the skill of the player. Trust me, they need a healer. Badly.

That’s your first problem, well your first problem is being a warden healer but thats besides the point lol. It’ll take forever getting undaunted up just doing normals. Grab 3 friends and run thru the easy vet dungeons getting the speed/no death/hard mode achievements and you’ll get undaunted 9 in a few hours.

My warden is a pretty good healer. I get compliments all the time. Of course, it may just be because they like shrooms...

OP: Nightblades are pretty good healers because they can heal while doing damage.

Inarre

So what i read from the OP was they want to be nb, either dps or healer but they like their character and they only want one and refuse to reroll.

So I can't comprehend why someone would come into this thread and tell them to roll a Templar.

ccfeeling wrote: »

Roll a templar better , different World.
NB passives good at dmg only...

Everstorm

Inarre wrote: »

So what i read from the OP was they want to be nb, either dps or healer but they like their character and they only want one and refuse to reroll.

So I can't comprehend why someone would come into this thread and tell them to roll a Templar.

ccfeeling wrote: »

Roll a templar better , different World.
NB passives good at dmg only...

OP also says he wished there was a way too change class and that he doesn't really like any of the nightblade skills.