Dragonbones Healer Lightning Back Bar

paulychan

I’m curious if people think that running a lightning back bar will still be a useful tactic for enhancing party dps post dragonbones.
I roll charged/charged and slot blockade of storms and ele drain.
Weakening and infused on front bar Resto staff.
Pretty standard pre dragon bones.
Still viable?

Lynx7386

Yes, especially because I predict fewer tanks will be running it now. Ice staff back bar keeps the same crusher uptime and gives you a lot more leeway for permablocking.

Only healer I don't run lightning on (most of the time) is my nightblade, because fire staff gives the single target damage boost to funnel health, causing it to heal for more.

Runefang

It's going to become more important than ever for healers to run lightning blockade on their back bars.

Back-bar fire vMA staves are going to become meta for DPS since they do more damage. It'll be the healers who maintain the now low off-balance up time.

paulychan

@Runefang
This is what I was thinking would be the case. Max uptime from healer keeping blockade down.

FakeFox

A Lightningstaff is still the best choice. First of all there is no other viable choice and secondly off balance is not completely gone and as running Blockade of Storms is now a DPS loss you wan't it on healers and tanks.
Charged lightning enchant however I wouldn't run anymore. Instead I personally think decisive with lightning enchant frontbar and infused with weakening enchant backbar is the best you can have now, unless your tank is not running a crusher enchant.

Tasear

Off balance changes leave room for other ways for off balance. There's obvious crushing shock with is nice with ayslum destro. Templars and dragon knights have a skill for off balance so maybe this will work too. Lastly there's tactician passive to proceed off balanced.

So in those regards, probably best choice in 4 man with lots mobs, but not a necessity in 12.

P.S Charged is only worthy if you have shock glyph.

xiZeroPointix

Shock damage also provides minor vulnerability. Increasing your group damage by 8% so dps can then add another additional 20% damage done with flame staves from the burning status effect. Concussed will provide off balance even tho only having a 25% uptime will still be neccessary regardless. Flame whip not power lash can proc off balance as well so a magdk tank can run whip instead of chains for the boss fight and provide that as well.

Tasear

xiZeroPointix wrote: »

Shock damage also provides minor vulnerability. Increasing your group damage by 8% so dps can then add another additional 20% damage done with flame staves from the burning status effect. Concussed will provide off balance even tho only having a 25% uptime will still be neccessary regardless. Flame whip not power lash can proc off balance as well so a magdk tank can run whip instead of chains for the boss fight and provide that as well.

It's like 1% percent chance with blockade of storms. Really though it's usually used by healers for higher off balance uptime compared to other options for off balance.. Concussion usually comes in trialers from sorc dps. This in turn syngerizes with blockade of storms already down.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Tasear wrote: »

xiZeroPointix wrote: »

Shock damage also provides minor vulnerability. Increasing your group damage by 8% so dps can then add another additional 20% damage done with flame staves from the burning status effect. Concussed will provide off balance even tho only having a 25% uptime will still be neccessary regardless. Flame whip not power lash can proc off balance as well so a magdk tank can run whip instead of chains for the boss fight and provide that as well.

It's like 1% percent chance with blockade of storms. Really though it's usually used by healers for higher off balance uptime compared to other options for off balance.. Concussion usually comes in trialers from sorc dps. This in turn syngerizes with blockade of storms already down.

That is why you put a lightning enchant and have a charged staff. Brings up the chance of the enchant hitting to proc a status effect from a base of 20% to a whopping 84% chance. So basically 4 out of 5 times you swap back to your lightning staff and lay down wall, you proc status effect from the enchant.

Tasear

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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

xiZeroPointix wrote: »

Shock damage also provides minor vulnerability. Increasing your group damage by 8% so dps can then add another additional 20% damage done with flame staves from the burning status effect. Concussed will provide off balance even tho only having a 25% uptime will still be neccessary regardless. Flame whip not power lash can proc off balance as well so a magdk tank can run whip instead of chains for the boss fight and provide that as well.

It's like 1% percent chance with blockade of storms. Really though it's usually used by healers for higher off balance uptime compared to other options for off balance.. Concussion usually comes in trialers from sorc dps. This in turn syngerizes with blockade of storms already down.

That is why you put a lightning enchant and have a charged staff. Brings up the chance of the enchant hitting to proc a status effect from a base of 20% to a whopping 84% chance. So basically 4 out of 5 times you swap back to your lightning staff and lay down wall, you proc status effect from the enchant.

How are you getting 84%?

Weapon enchants 20%
Standard ability 10%
Area of effect abilities 5%
Damage over time abilities 3%
Area of effect damage over time abilities 1%

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Tasear wrote: »

Q

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

xiZeroPointix wrote: »

Shock damage also provides minor vulnerability. Increasing your group damage by 8% so dps can then add another additional 20% damage done with flame staves from the burning status effect. Concussed will provide off balance even tho only having a 25% uptime will still be neccessary regardless. Flame whip not power lash can proc off balance as well so a magdk tank can run whip instead of chains for the boss fight and provide that as well.

It's like 1% percent chance with blockade of storms. Really though it's usually used by healers for higher off balance uptime compared to other options for off balance.. Concussion usually comes in trialers from sorc dps. This in turn syngerizes with blockade of storms already down.

That is why you put a lightning enchant and have a charged staff. Brings up the chance of the enchant hitting to proc a status effect from a base of 20% to a whopping 84% chance. So basically 4 out of 5 times you swap back to your lightning staff and lay down wall, you proc status effect from the enchant.

How are you getting 84%?

Weapon enchants 20%
Standard ability 10%
Area of effect abilities 5%
Damage over time abilities 3%
Area of effect damage over time abilities 1%

good question, i am so glad you asked, so a weapon enchant is 20%, as you pointed out, start with the destro passive "Elemental Force", http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Elemental_Force, is 100% more, that brings it to 40%. after that is the weapon trait "Charged", http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Charged, this raises the chance by a further 220%, with is 44%, as it is multiplied by the base and then added back to the base, just like with the aforementioned destro passive. then added together, as they are additive, not multicative, to you 84% chance for the Burning, Concussion, and Chilled status effects from their respective damage enchant.

so the math look like theis, 20%*100%= 20% and 20% + 20% = 40% and for charged is 20%*220% = 44% and 40%(from the first calculation)+44% = 84%. simple.

paulychan

I’m leaning towards my healer build rolls as is after reading the responses.
Lightning with shock/charged for back bar/ Resto weakening/infused front.
Seems even more important post patch

Tasear

Hmm still with uptime changes.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Q

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

xiZeroPointix wrote: »

Shock damage also provides minor vulnerability. Increasing your group damage by 8% so dps can then add another additional 20% damage done with flame staves from the burning status effect. Concussed will provide off balance even tho only having a 25% uptime will still be neccessary regardless. Flame whip not power lash can proc off balance as well so a magdk tank can run whip instead of chains for the boss fight and provide that as well.

It's like 1% percent chance with blockade of storms. Really though it's usually used by healers for higher off balance uptime compared to other options for off balance.. Concussion usually comes in trialers from sorc dps. This in turn syngerizes with blockade of storms already down.

That is why you put a lightning enchant and have a charged staff. Brings up the chance of the enchant hitting to proc a status effect from a base of 20% to a whopping 84% chance. So basically 4 out of 5 times you swap back to your lightning staff and lay down wall, you proc status effect from the enchant.

How are you getting 84%?

Weapon enchants 20%
Standard ability 10%
Area of effect abilities 5%
Damage over time abilities 3%
Area of effect damage over time abilities 1%

good question, i am so glad you asked, so a weapon enchant is 20%, as you pointed out, start with the destro passive "Elemental Force", http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Elemental_Force, is 100% more, that brings it to 40%. after that is the weapon trait "Charged", http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Charged, this raises the chance by a further 220%, with is 44%, as it is multiplied by the base and then added back to the base, just like with the aforementioned destro passive. then added together, as they are additive, not multicative, to you 84% chance for the Burning, Concussion, and Chilled status effects from their respective damage enchant.

so the math look like theis, 20%*100%= 20% and 20% + 20% = 40% and for charged is 20%*220% = 44% and 40%(from the first calculation)+44% = 84%. simple.

Still with new cooldown of 15 secs. I do wonder if there's more way to do this now.

Sordidfairytale

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Q

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

xiZeroPointix wrote: »

Shock damage also provides minor vulnerability. Increasing your group damage by 8% so dps can then add another additional 20% damage done with flame staves from the burning status effect. Concussed will provide off balance even tho only having a 25% uptime will still be neccessary regardless. Flame whip not power lash can proc off balance as well so a magdk tank can run whip instead of chains for the boss fight and provide that as well.

It's like 1% percent chance with blockade of storms. Really though it's usually used by healers for higher off balance uptime compared to other options for off balance.. Concussion usually comes in trialers from sorc dps. This in turn syngerizes with blockade of storms already down.

That is why you put a lightning enchant and have a charged staff. Brings up the chance of the enchant hitting to proc a status effect from a base of 20% to a whopping 84% chance. So basically 4 out of 5 times you swap back to your lightning staff and lay down wall, you proc status effect from the enchant.

How are you getting 84%?

Weapon enchants 20%
Standard ability 10%
Area of effect abilities 5%
Damage over time abilities 3%
Area of effect damage over time abilities 1%

good question, i am so glad you asked, so a weapon enchant is 20%, as you pointed out, start with the destro passive "Elemental Force", http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Elemental_Force, is 100% more, that brings it to 40%. after that is the weapon trait "Charged", http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Charged, this raises the chance by a further 220%, with is 44%, as it is multiplied by the base and then added back to the base, just like with the aforementioned destro passive. then added together, as they are additive, not multicative, to you 84% chance for the Burning, Concussion, and Chilled status effects from their respective damage enchant.

so the math look like theis, 20%*100%= 20% and 20% + 20% = 40% and for charged is 20%*220% = 44% and 40%(from the first calculation)+44% = 84%. simple.

I swear it seems like way more than 84% though.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@Sordidfairytale well 4 out of 5 times is a lot. So I understand why it would "seem" like more. But math is math. And if you plugged away at a dummy, you would see it is 84%