Best race for Stam + Bow Nightblade?

Naughty_Ryder

Hey

As the title says.. What's the best race for a Nightblade that mains Bow for PvE?.. I am assuming Wood Elf or Khajit ?... Who knows.... I don't !!

LeagueTroll

Red guard

Tito86

Bosmer have a little more sustain than Khajit, who has slightly more damage. Redguard is a compromise between them, and a good choice if you want to play as a human or don't like the AD ;P

Maulkin

@Tranquil_Fairy what do you mean by "mains Bow for PvE"? In end-game PvE (trials, dsa, maelstrom, dlc dungeons etc.) everyone uses DW/Bow and does rotations which involve both. Bow/bow ranged build is not viable at the moment, every stam build is melee.

Hence @LeagueTroll's recommendation is technically correct, Redguard is the best race for PvE stam builds with Orc/Khajiit not far behind.

JobooAGS

Maulkin wrote: »

@Tranquil_Fairy what do you mean by "mains Bow for PvE"? In end-game PvE (trials, dsa, maelstrom, dlc dungeons etc.) everyone uses DW/Bow and does rotations which involve both. Bow/bow ranged build is not viable at the moment, every stam build is melee.

Hence @LeagueTroll's recommendation is technically correct, Redguard is the best race for PvE stam builds with Orc/Khajiit not far behind.

This is really sad though. But even so, redguard with an infused bow main bar and nirn bow back bar tops bosmer and khajiit, but only slightly. Cant go wrong with any of the 3

Narvuntien

I think that bow/bow Stamina Warden works but the thing with night-blade is that surprise attack is really strong so you want to be in melee. Its really only the warden where their best skills are ranged.

In PVP though Bow Bow nightblade is quite good. One bar is your stealth sniper and the other is your knockback arrow into Ballista kill combo... you can also use Morag tong and the Asylum bow for lots of burst out of stealth.

Wood elf is best in either case. (I have both stamden and sniperblade wood elves.)

JobooAGS

Narvuntien wrote: »

I think that bow/bow Stamina Warden works but the thing with night-blade is that surprise attack is really strong so you want to be in melee. Its really only the warden where their best skills are ranged.

In PVP though Bow Bow nightblade is quite good. One bar is your stealth sniper and the other is your knockback arrow into Ballista kill combo... you can also use Morag tong and the Asylum bow for lots of burst out of stealth.

Problem with draining/magnum shot is that you have to be within 10 m from your target, which for a bow/bow build is useless as gap closers are usually 22-28 m long (not including passive modifiers and battle spirit) and destro staff cc is 28 m (41 with passives and bs)

Narvuntien

JobooAGS wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I think that bow/bow Stamina Warden works but the thing with night-blade is that surprise attack is really strong so you want to be in melee. Its really only the warden where their best skills are ranged.

In PVP though Bow Bow nightblade is quite good. One bar is your stealth sniper and the other is your knockback arrow into Ballista kill combo... you can also use Morag tong and the Asylum bow for lots of burst out of stealth.

Problem with draining/magnum shot is that you have to be within 10 m from your target, which for a bow/bow build is useless as gap closers are usually 22-28 m long (not including passive modifiers and battle spirit) and destro staff cc is 28 m (41 with passives and bs)

People close the gap on you and you need to get them away from you so you can escape. I have actually mostly been using it on my stamden (as I level them up in Kyne) and I picked up a bunch of solo kills with it.

I think there is something wrong with your build if people are killing you with their gap closer. Shot + ballista.... roll dodge and runnnnnn.

Maulkin

JobooAGS wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

@Tranquil_Fairy what do you mean by "mains Bow for PvE"? In end-game PvE (trials, dsa, maelstrom, dlc dungeons etc.) everyone uses DW/Bow and does rotations which involve both. Bow/bow ranged build is not viable at the moment, every stam build is melee.

Hence @LeagueTroll's recommendation is technically correct, Redguard is the best race for PvE stam builds with Orc/Khajiit not far behind.

This is really sad though. But even so, redguard with an infused bow main bar and nirn bow back bar tops bosmer and khajiit, but only slightly. Cant go wrong with any of the 3

It is, but not any more/less sad than magicka melee deeps being outperformed by stamina melee deeps and therefore not really being considered in end game PvE.

For stamina ranged to be viable we'd need quite fundamental changes to classes, changes to bow alone won't suffice. Only Warden has access to a stamina ranged spammable skill. And no class has access to a ranged stamina DoT. Not even Warden since, for reasons unknown, there's no stamina version of Fletcher Flies. For the "old" classes, all the stamina skills are melee range.

JobooAGS

Narvuntien wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I think that bow/bow Stamina Warden works but the thing with night-blade is that surprise attack is really strong so you want to be in melee. Its really only the warden where their best skills are ranged.

In PVP though Bow Bow nightblade is quite good. One bar is your stealth sniper and the other is your knockback arrow into Ballista kill combo... you can also use Morag tong and the Asylum bow for lots of burst out of stealth.

Problem with draining/magnum shot is that you have to be within 10 m from your target, which for a bow/bow build is useless as gap closers are usually 22-28 m long (not including passive modifiers and battle spirit) and destro staff cc is 28 m (41 with passives and bs)

People close the gap on you and you need to get them away from you so you can escape. I have actually mostly been using it on my stamden (as I level them up in Kyne) and I picked up a bunch of solo kills with it.

I think there is something wrong with your build if people are killing you with their gap closer. Shot + ballista.... roll dodge and runnnnnn.

Cc break -> gap closer -> skills and repeat before you get away even with major expedition. Plus ballista can be easily dodged and therefore negated. I did not say people were killing me with a gap closer. Just by being in melee range constantly with little defense is what kills. Snipe is a channel which can be inturrpted and people have cp into the middle blue tree which means if someone dodges your attack, you are set off balance which means you either take increased damage or any medium attack stuns you.

JobooAGS

JobooAGS wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I think that bow/bow Stamina Warden works but the thing with night-blade is that surprise attack is really strong so you want to be in melee. Its really only the warden where their best skills are ranged.

In PVP though Bow Bow nightblade is quite good. One bar is your stealth sniper and the other is your knockback arrow into Ballista kill combo... you can also use Morag tong and the Asylum bow for lots of burst out of stealth.

Problem with draining/magnum shot is that you have to be within 10 m from your target, which for a bow/bow build is useless as gap closers are usually 22-28 m long (not including passive modifiers and battle spirit) and destro staff cc is 28 m (41 with passives and bs)

People close the gap on you and you need to get them away from you so you can escape. I have actually mostly been using it on my stamden (as I level them up in Kyne) and I picked up a bunch of solo kills with it.

I think there is something wrong with your build if people are killing you with their gap closer. Shot + ballista.... roll dodge and runnnnnn.

Cc break -> gap closer -> skills and repeat before you get away even with major expedition. Plus ballista can be easily dodged and therefore negated. I did not say people were killing me with a gap closer. Just by being in melee range constantly with little defense is what kills. Snipe is a channel which can be inturrpted and people have cp into the middle blue tree which means if someone dodges your attack, you are set off balance which means you either take increased damage or any medium attack stuns you.

If bow cc was 28m like destro cc, then Id be inclined to agree with you. I would even swap the places of rapid fire and snipe with adjustments as nessesary

magictucktuck

I like my bosmer. But it depends on your set up. I run max health Stam recovery food. So I have around 2.3k Stam recovery in pvp. If you run low recovery it’s not worth it go imperial or red guard.

Twenty0zTsunami

Maulkin wrote: »

@Tranquil_Fairy what do you mean by "mains Bow for PvE"? In end-game PvE (trials, dsa, maelstrom, dlc dungeons etc.) everyone uses DW/Bow and does rotations which involve both. Bow/bow ranged build is not viable at the moment, every stam build is melee.

Hence @LeagueTroll's recommendation is technically correct, Redguard is the best race for PvE stam builds with Orc/Khajiit not far behind.

FXXK viability.. play bow/bow if that's what you want. And join a guild that's not full of elitest tryhards who kick anyone with less than 60k DPS.

Olen_Mikko

Best damage = khajiit
Almost equal damage + really good sustain = bosmer
Best resource management, good damage = redguard

Datthaw

Breton is really good

ErinGoBrag520

Since my question is right along these lines, I'll add to the post here. I made a Bosmer nightblade that I wanted to play as DW and bow (stam build). I've previously played magic caster type characters. I've only leved my bosmer to 7 and I was thinking about scrapping because all the feedback I've recieved was that this wasn't a good race choice and I should go Khajiit or redguard. I know Alcast doesn't have Bosmer on as a race for the stam nightblade. I guess I just wanted some reassurance that this is a viable race for a stamblade? I am not a hard core player but I do trials with my guild and am not a great player to begin with so I'm not looking to play something that I will need a ton of skill to overcome and compensate for, I guess looking for more opinions on this. TIA

JobooAGS

ErinGoBrag520 wrote: »

Since my question is right along these lines, I'll add to the post here. I made a Bosmer nightblade that I wanted to play as DW and bow (stam build). I've previously played magic caster type characters. I've only leved my bosmer to 7 and I was thinking about scrapping because all the feedback I've recieved was that this wasn't a good race choice and I should go Khajiit or redguard. I know Alcast doesn't have Bosmer on as a race for the stam nightblade. I guess I just wanted some reassurance that this is a viable race for a stamblade? I am not a hard core player but I do trials with my guild and am not a great player to begin with so I'm not looking to play something that I will need a ton of skill to overcome and compensate for, I guess looking for more opinions on this. TIA

Bosmer can work for bow/bow

jssriot

ErinGoBrag520 wrote: »

I was thinking about scrapping because all the feedback I've recieved was that this wasn't a good race choice and I should go Khajiit or redguard. I know Alcast doesn't have Bosmer on as a race for the stam nightblade. I guess I just wanted some reassurance that this is a viable race for a stamblade?

Yes, it is, and for a player as you describe yourself, it would be the one I'd recommend. I play both a Khajiit and Bosmer Bow+DW stamblades, and I love my Khajiit, but Bosmer is definitely an easier race to play for someone who isn't going to spend hours practicing buff uptimes and working in HAs on a dummy. I actually made my Bosmer NB because I was having so much trouble with my Khajiit when I was still a newb. I did all the Undaunted dungeons on my little Bosmer NB first, as well as my first pvping, and am very glad I did. Redguard is a good option too, but I know from experience that Bosmer is a very friendly race for players like you and you can definitely make a very viable dps toon with one.

Bosmer is pretty underappreciated and a lot of theory crafters like the people who contribute to Alcast's builds don't include them because they don't fit their personal tastes and priorities. Don't let that bother you. These are people who have a very precise, opinionated idea of how things should be in the game and often that leads them to ignore viable options that would be better for different types of players.

ErinGoBrag520

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Yes, it is, and for a player as you describe yourself, it would be the one I'd recommend. I play both a Khajiit and Bosmer Bow+DW stamblades, and I love my Khajiit, but Bosmer is definitely an easier race to play for someone who isn't going to spend hours practicing buff uptimes and working in HAs on a dummy. I actually made my Bosmer NB because I was having so much trouble with my Khajiit when I was still a newb. I did all the Undaunted dungeons on my little Bosmer NB first, as well as my first pvping, and am very glad I did. Redguard is a good option too, but I know from experience that Bosmer is a very friendly race for players like you and you can definitely make a very viable dps toon with one.

Bosmer is pretty underappreciated and a lot of theory crafters like the people who contribute to Alcast's builds don't include them because they don't fit their personal tastes and priorities. Don't let that bother you. These are people who have a very precise, opinionated idea of how things should be in the game and often that leads them to ignore viable options that would be better for different types of players.

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thank you, that was very helpful. I am indeed not likely to spend hours practicing buff uptimes There is sooo much to do in this game as it is I can hardly pick what to do next but that kind of thing is way down on my list. Since we have the new leveling rewards and I like the character I made for my bosmer stamblade I will continue on. Thanks for your reply!

magictucktuck

oh also you don't get major defile from weapon enchants with bosmer, huge plus for fighting people without a active major defile skill

KingYogi415

Khajiit is best Stam dps class, if u can sustain.

firedrgn

Bosmer looks the best if you play female charzcters. The dps difference wont be noticable unless you min max and do the rotations and all thst plus its like what 500 dps unless your running compeditive trials you will never see it. I play bosmer and khajiit I like bosmer better.

Kuramas9tails

Khajiit is the master race.

Naughty_Ryder

Do a Bow/ Bow build will not work?

JerzeeDevil

Wood Elf= Master Race

KingYogi415

Sea Elf = Meta

Maulkin

Once you go redguard, you'll never go back(guard). Nevermind that didn't work

Narvuntien

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

Do a Bow/ Bow build will not work?

Short answer: No, not for PVE.

Long answer: The best stamina skills, for the nightblade that is supprise attack, are melee. There are bow skills that are good for thier damage overtime, endless hail, poison injection and ballista. But the direct damage spam spam skills for the bow are too low in damage. Also the damage rating for both 2h and dw is just higher.

As far as i am concerned the only class that bow/bow really works is the warden where the skills sub assualt and cliff racer are both ranged.

Naughty_Ryder

Narvuntien wrote: »

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

Do a Bow/ Bow build will not work?

Short answer: No, not for PVE.

Long answer: The best stamina skills, for the nightblade that is supprise attack, are melee. There are bow skills that are good for thier damage overtime, endless hail, poison injection and ballista. But the direct damage spam spam skills for the bow are too low in damage. Also the damage rating for both 2h and dw is just higher.

As far as i am concerned the only class that bow/bow really works is the warden where the skills sub assualt and cliff racer are both ranged.

Right, okay... So would a Bow/ Bow build work in PvP?.. I don't mind if I play PvP or PvE.. I just want to hit *** with bows and kill x

VexingArcanist

Haven't played it, but I do have a bow bosmer I intend to eventually get into pvp with.

https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-nightblade-bow-gank-build-pvp/

Narvuntien

In Pvp it works.

You have a few options.

Sniper gank.
I run a sniper gank built around maximising damage from (a single) focused aim.
Archer's mind + strenght automation.
Hundings rage also works in either slot and marksman. (But i want to be more versitile)

Poison gank.
Lethal arrow + poison injection maxium damage.
Morag tong + marksman
Asylum bow is also good. You deal more damage over time than the focused aim version. But your combo can do more total damage.

Bow brawler.
Scatter shot + ballista does lots of damage. While they are in the air and cannot dodge it.

Marksman is the key set but you can use a bunch of other common pvp sets with it if you are not ganking. Hundings rage probably easist but there is special bow sets (Hawk's eye).