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Master writs that just re not worth it.

Nightfall12
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Don't you hate when you get that new master writ and you see it calls for that elusive BA motif that will cost you an arm and a leg…maybe a kidney too.
Then you see that the writ is only for 5 vouchers……
yeah that can collect dust in my bank
Ummm stuff… about stuff…or something.
  • jaschacasadiob16_ESO
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    Just because something is purple or yellow it doesn't mean 1 is good 2 you shouldnt simply destroy it.
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  • WakeYourGhost
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    Throw it at the next random person you see.
  • Carbonised
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    Many of us have all the motifs in the game, Armiger included. That's why they're tradeable and sellable, you know. It's a multiplayer game, interaction is encouraged.
  • Nightfall12
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    Carbonised wrote: »
    Many of us have all the motifs in the game, Armiger included. That's why they're tradeable and sellable, you know. It's a multiplayer game, interaction is encouraged.


    yeah, they are buyable but those that are selling are asking more than i wish to pay, likewise i want more for my writ than anyone will pay….really i dare someone to offer me a higher price than i'm thinking….
    Ummm stuff… about stuff…or something.
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Yep... I have two of those... One that gives 6 writ vouchers and the other that gives 115 writ vouchers. Both require Buoyant Arminger motif...
    I tried to farm this motif for some time but with no luck. I have opened like 100 - 200 chests (or even more, I lost count) in Vvardenfell after compleating all Vvardefell quests...
    And I would have to spend like 400K to buy those motifes (yeah the pricesc on those are just ridiculous). I think I will rather buy some master crafting writs that I can actually use...
    Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on February 22, 2018 9:19AM
  • Mirelurk
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    Just sell them for market price.

    What that is will vary.
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  • Turelus
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    I've always seen these ones as the rewards for the crafters who really master things by learning all styles. The value is the number of vouchers vs the material costs. You shouldn't be catering in the cost of the motifs vs the vouchers.

    The only ones which I feel are not working right now are ones asking for materials which fare exceed the value of the vouchers, Perfect Roe ones most often being the case.
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  • Carbonised
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    Carbonised wrote: »
    Many of us have all the motifs in the game, Armiger included. That's why they're tradeable and sellable, you know. It's a multiplayer game, interaction is encouraged.


    yeah, they are buyable but those that are selling are asking more than i wish to pay, likewise i want more for my writ than anyone will pay….really i dare someone to offer me a higher price than i'm thinking….

    So you're [snip] that you're getting a BA motif writ, but you won't sell it for the market value and instead come here to complain? What exactly are you complaining about? Do you want Armiger writs to be removed from the system just because you're too lazy/stingy to get the motif, while other people have gotten it themselves, or bought it?

    Your post isn't the slightest bit constructive, you just come on here and rant about how salty you are that you got a master writ you can't make. That's why they call them master writs, you know.

    [Edited to remove profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_KatP on February 22, 2018 7:00PM
  • Mirelurk
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    Turelus wrote: »
    The only ones which I feel are not working right now are ones asking for materials which fare exceed the value of the vouchers, Perfect Roe ones most often being the case.

    So true.
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  • ArchMikem
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    Dude the game gave me a writ for Hollowjack Seducer Greaves worth 89 vouchers but everyone kept trying to cheat me out of 20k to 40k of its worth cause "muh Tempers".

    Don't you people complain about having millions with nothing to spend on? Why so stingy.
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  • Azurya
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    Don't you hate when you get that new master writ and you see it calls for that elusive BA motif that will cost you an arm and a leg…maybe a kidney too.
    Then you see that the writ is only for 5 vouchers……
    yeah that can collect dust in my bank

    well nobody forces you to do writs
  • lardvader
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    I delete or sell the ones that need perfect roe. Same for the ones I need to go to IC for unless they drop a lot of vouchers.
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  • Iccotak
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    BA motif aside, there are vouchers that aren't worth the resources put into them
  • Marabornwingrion
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    I'm crafting master writs only when they don't require gold tempers. All others I'm selling in guild store.
  • lillybit
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    lardvader wrote: »
    I delete or sell the ones that need perfect roe. Same for the ones I need to go to IC for unless they drop a lot of vouchers.

    This is why I got attuned stations for all the IC ones!
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  • Asardes
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    I've bought those anyway since I'm a completionist when it comes to motifs and money is really no issue for me. The really bad ones are the enchanting ones with Hakeijo and provisioning ones requiring Perfect Roe. Those suck badly regardless, since they require expensive ingredients for a very small amount of vouchers, 10-12 if I remember correctly.
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  • Gandrhulf_Harbard
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    Turelus wrote: »
    I've always seen these ones as the rewards for the crafters who really master things by learning all styles. The value is the number of vouchers vs the material costs. You shouldn't be catering in the cost of the motifs vs the vouchers.

    For a genuine cost benefit analysis ALL costs must be included.

    I've had hundreds and hundreds of Writs, I would estimate that less than 10% have been what I consider Value For Money.

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  • Mirelurk
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    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Dude the game gave me a writ for Hollowjack Seducer Greaves worth 89 vouchers but everyone kept trying to cheat me out of 20k to 40k of its worth cause "muh Tempers".

    Don't you people complain about having millions with nothing to spend on? Why so stingy.

    A thing is only worth what people will pay.
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  • Asardes
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    Well lately you can use excess writs to purchase Morrowind motif envelopes. I did just that and sold the purple duplicates for between 65-150K a piece, for an investment of just 50 vouchers/envelope. So that must be taken into account when calculating if they are worth it. Regardless, I stand by what I said above: Hakeijo and Perfect Roe ones need to be changed to something like 30-40 vouchers.
    Edited by Asardes on February 22, 2018 10:37AM
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    Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
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  • ArchMikem
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    Mirelurk wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Dude the game gave me a writ for Hollowjack Seducer Greaves worth 89 vouchers but everyone kept trying to cheat me out of 20k to 40k of its worth cause "muh Tempers".

    Don't you people complain about having millions with nothing to spend on? Why so stingy.

    A thing is only worth what people will pay.

    Id love it if the market actually worked that way, then everything would be cheap. The generally agreed upon value of a voucher was 1k per when writs came out, and to my knowledge there's been no talk about that deflating over time, regardless of the writs requirements.
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  • Carbonised
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    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Mirelurk wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Dude the game gave me a writ for Hollowjack Seducer Greaves worth 89 vouchers but everyone kept trying to cheat me out of 20k to 40k of its worth cause "muh Tempers".

    Don't you people complain about having millions with nothing to spend on? Why so stingy.

    A thing is only worth what people will pay.

    Id love it if the market actually worked that way, then everything would be cheap. The generally agreed upon value of a voucher was 1k per when writs came out, and to my knowledge there's been no talk about that deflating over time, regardless of the writs requirements.

    That's certainly not the case on my server, PC/EU. There is no general "agreed upon" price, and neither should there be in an open market. Writs sell for everything between 300 gold per voucher to 1500 gold. Generally rare motifs and hard to get to stations sell for lower than the easy ones. And yes, it has been deflating over time, at least until last update brought in new content for vouchers.
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    Turelus wrote: »
    I've always seen these ones as the rewards for the crafters who really master things by learning all styles. The value is the number of vouchers vs the material costs. You shouldn't be catering in the cost of the motifs vs the vouchers.

    The only ones which I feel are not working right now are ones asking for materials which fare exceed the value of the vouchers, Perfect Roe ones most often being the case.

    Perfect roe one is a scam that many of us have fell for :'(
  • kind_hero
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    @Nightfall12 Master writs are intended for master crafters, people who have invested a lot of effort into unlocking traits and enlarging their motif collection, so I don't see a problem in someone not being able to do a certain writ.

    Master writs are not a fancier variant of the crafting daily quests. I do hope this challenge factor will remain.

    I am not a master crafter yet, even though I have unlocked 9 traits for most gear, but still lack a lot of motifs. Getting to the point where @Carbonised is, is a challenge that I like to take, even though it will mean more time for me, but it is a reason to play. The game should not hand out gold recipes and elusive items easy, otherwise there is no feel of accomplishment. What is the point if you could do the BA writ after you reach level 50 in your craft?

    Just sell that writ and use the gold to buy an other writ which you can complete. This is how I do. Even with my limited motif collection, I managed to buy with vouchers all the non-attuned crafting stations for my home, so you can do a lot even if you are not a master crafter.

    Patience and good luck!

    P.S. To add my feedback to your post title, indeed there are some writs that are not worth it, this being the case for those which require ingredients that are more expensive than what you could obtain with those vouchers.
    Edited by kind_hero on February 22, 2018 12:24PM
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  • Nightfall12
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    Wow this went sideways fast.
    I see why everyone says this forum is so toxic.

    one day i will get that BA motif, and other than a few of the stupid priced motifs i can do 98% of the writs i get, i had over 1600 vouchers off what i earned without buying any writs. And thats after i bought all the stuff i wanted off the voucher guy.
    So i get what it means.
    I am complaining about BA.
    If a motif is as rare as that it ought to be worth a little more.
    the mats to make it are nothing, I'm just saying that its going to wait in my bank until i get it.
    I was making a joke about selling it so high as i feel the people selling the motifs are already setting prices so high.
    So i see some people here are super sensitive and feel they need to attack everyone. Im so sorry you have that attitude it life. lighten up.
    Edited by Nightfall12 on February 22, 2018 7:08PM
    Ummm stuff… about stuff…or something.
  • josiahva
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    yeah...I figured that out about 2 days after they came out...master crafter with most motifs, havent done one since
  • phileunderx2
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    Got one this morning 328 vouchers. BA mace, nirnhoned and gold. Don't Rember the set. Maybe I can get some gold out of it.
  • I_killed_Vivec
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    Call yourself a Master Crafter when you don't know al the motifs? ;)

    Just keep it for when you do.

    I know ZoS said that they will adjust drop rates to keep rare motifs sufficiently rare, but more and more people know BA so the price will come down (and ZoS sell it in the crown store...).

  • Nightfall12
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    Call yourself a Master Crafter when you don't know al the motifs? ;)

    Just keep it for when you do.

    I know ZoS said that they will adjust drop rates to keep rare motifs sufficiently rare, but more and more people know BA so the price will come down (and ZoS sell it in the crown store...).

    Where did I claim i was a master crafter with All?

    I was once upon a time, but with the new motifs added in Shadows of the Hist the prices went stupid and i paced collecting until prices dropped. I get the motifs when they become reasonable.

    Ever get stuck in traffic? It happens. you complain and keep on until you get there, but you certainly have the right to complain along the way.
    Ummm stuff… about stuff…or something.
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    Carbonised wrote: »
    Many of us have all the motifs in the game, Armiger included. That's why they're tradeable and sellable, you know. It's a multiplayer game, interaction is encouraged.

    I wouldn't say "many" of us, but definitely enough of us to make it marketable.
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