S&B Damage

xbobx

So i know it does less damage than dual other setups. Is that just because you don't have the bonus of a second weapon and that sword damage is less other weapons?

if you are running it on a warden and using cutting dive as your spammable would the damage loss be that significant over dual wield. I know in general, when dealing with MMOs that a 2% dmg loss for MMO players is considered massive but when you are just pve solo its not that big of a deal.

thanks in advance

Sanctum74

As long as you enchant the shield with a stamina glyph then your damage difference will be very minimal. You could also use a nirnhoned sword to boost your damage even more while still keeping the benefits of the shield passives.

Rickter

snb can deal a lot of dmg but you have to work a little harder.

Heavy Attack > Heroic Slash > Bash is a commonly used combo that deals as much damage as 2h's Dizzying Swing

it takes more work and more set up but you incorporate things like dots to maintain a greater degree of pressure.

I have not mastered this nor really had the desire, but i respect and acknowledge its effectiveness.

EDIT: wait. . . is this PvE oriented discussion? if so. .. . nvm . .

Biro123

Won't make an awful lot of difference for solo PVE - play how you like there!

But there IS a significant damage difference. DW (and 2-handers) give the same base weapon damage - but 1-h+shield gives much less. (about 200 less iirc).

If you were to combine that with things that add % buffs to it (like nirnhoned, major brutality etc), that gap widens.

There are also the passives - twin blade and blunt on DW and heavy weapons(I think) on 2-hander give a direct buff to your total damage (for swords) - other useful dmg buffs for other weapons (penetration/bleeds)

Yes, you can add stamina to your shield - but that will only offset less than half of the difference.

I experimented recently on my magsorc DW vs sword n board - on a build that maximised %magica bonuses (not spelldmg). My frags had around an extra 1k damage on its DW tooltip - that was without major sorcery up.

Biro123

Won't make an awful lot of difference for solo PVE - play how you like there!

But there IS a significant damage difference. DW (and 2-handers) give the same base weapon damage - but 1-h+shield gives much less. (about 200 less iirc. will double-check when i get in game).

If you were to combine that with things that add % buffs to it (like nirnhoned, major brutality etc), that gap widens.

There are also the passives - twin blade and blunt on DW and heavy weapons(I think) on 2-hander give a direct buff to your total damage (for swords) - other useful dmg buffs for other weapons (penetration/bleeds)

Yes, you can add stamina to your shield - but that will only offset less than half of the difference.

I experimented recently on my magsorc DW vs sword n board - on a build that maximised %magica bonuses (not spelldmg). My frags had around an extra 1k damage on its DW tooltip - that was without major sorcery up.

josiahva

umm, S&B is a defensive setup...why in the world would you think it could ever do as much damage as an offensive setup? You give up damage for damage mitigation with S&B...that simple, you cant have both.

kylewwefan

My birds hit for 14k with DW on a PvE setup. They hit for 8K with S/B on a heavy armor PvP setup. If you geared it out right, it probably be a little closer.

Sanctum74

kylewwefan wrote: »

My birds hit for 14k with DW on a PvE setup. They hit for 8K with S/B on a heavy armor PvP setup. If you geared it out right, it probably be a little closer.

How do you get a 6k difference? Something doesn't sound right. I just tested on my magden and with twin blade and blunt passives my birds only do an extra 573 damage with dual wield versus s/b, no where's near 6000 difference.

On a stamina character s/b should actually be higher because of the sword and board passive which gives 5% weapon damage and the addition of a stamina glyph which also increases your skill damage.

Unless your doing a bleed build, use duel weapon skills, or need that extra weapon weapon trait then I just can't see any reason to go duel wield .

xbobx

Biro123 wrote: »

Double-post

glad you pointed that out, i thought i was seeing double and i needed to go see a specialist.

xbobx

josiahva wrote: »

umm, S&B is a defensive setup...why in the world would you think it could ever do as much damage as an offensive setup? You give up damage for damage mitigation with S&B...that simple, you cant have both.

never said it would do as much damage.

thedude33

xbobx wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Double-post

glad you pointed that out, i thought i was seeing double and i needed to go see a specialist.

thedude33

xbobx wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Double-post

glad you pointed that out, i thought i was seeing double and i needed to go see a specialist.

xbobx

thedude33 wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Double-post

glad you pointed that out, i thought i was seeing double and i needed to go see a specialist.

i am doomed

Biro123

Lol

NyassaV

This is a PvP thing. Take this into PvE and people might cry

xiZeroPointix

Its not really what you would consider a solo overland build but, knights errant is a decent set to look at as well as automation as the otjer heavy armor sets require crit hits or taking damage for a period of time before you get the proc, so automation truth, veiled heritance and clever alchemist are viable. Pump up master at arms, mighty and physical weapon expert. In heavy you have no penetration values except the debuff from ransack and almost no usable crit, so about 30 in peircing..o in tharmaturge and a few into precise strikes. Tremorscale was made for s&b damage dealing, but selenes still works because the stun from invasion. Heavy attack, ransack, bash. The ransack will need to be block canceled, but will hit for about the same as wrecking blow and a 50 chance to proc Tremorscale. Your not going to get the kill in pvp for the most part, but will definetely make them go defensive and allow you to cc. Invasion is a very nice gap closer and auto stun. Invasion (stun), then immediately cc, then pop an immovable pot to proc alchemist, heavy attack for off balance with a charged diseased axe for the bleed and major defile, ransack, bash, ransack which procs tremorscale, reverating bash for another chance to proc defile incase ur axe enchant didnt proc and another stun if immunity is up., bar swap into a wrecking blow or reverse slice (If target breaks cc repeat the steps) for the kill on medium armor or the unsuspecting sorc. There is also the glypgh of bashing which increases the weapon damage of your standard bash, not abilities. Havent seen this used in a long time..since the bash of doom days towards launch. May not exist any more but hey there ya go.