PVP Templar healers is there any way to run without vampire and be viable?

Knowledge

As a Templar we have no disengage and most guides recommend using mistform to compensate. I just hate vampirism. Does anyone run Templar in Cyrodil or BGs as a healer without it that can recommend other ways to deal with lack of mobility/escape?

TheDoomsdayMonster

Knowledge wrote: »

As a Templar we have no disengage and most guides recommend using mistform to compensate. I just hate vampirism. Does anyone run Templar in Cyrodil or BGs as a healer without it that can recommend other ways to deal with lack of mobility/escape?

Sadly, the only way I know of to be a Magicka Temp in Cyrodiil without Vamp and be viable is to be tanky as hell (Reactive x5, Hisbark x5, Pirate Skelly x2...Sword and Board...is ideal for this).

As you correctly pointed out, you have no way to disengage and you have no mobility, so your only choice is to stand your ground and be as difficult to kill as possible...

Get your recovery up to a high number, get your block to a cheap number, slot Guard, get you a highend DPS to run with, and you are in business...


That said, you wont kill a thing solo, and will be married to needing to run with atleast 1 helper in PvP...

I despise the above play style, but it is viable if you want to go down that road...

Rickter

run a 2h Forward Momentum.

TheDoomsdayMonster

@Knowledge

On 2nd thought, you could run that build that utilizes Skooma Smuggler, Prisoners Rags, and/or Cowards Gear to address your lack of Mobility as a Templar...

I'm sure something fun and viable would be possible with a build that includes one of the above sets...

Raudgrani

Make an Argonian templar healer, and name it "Runs-Around-Trees". There's your escape.

Knights12

I always ran in a group, it's Cyrodiil. I don't understand why people seem to insist that running large group PVP there is such a bad thing? BG's are a lot different though.

Knowledge

Knights12 wrote: »

I always ran in a group, it's Cyrodiil. I don't understand why people seem to insist that running large group PVP there is such a bad thing? BG's are a lot different though.

But what does that have to do with the battlefield mobility? IMO you would need it in large and small groups alike.

navystylz_ESO

Knowledge wrote: »

Knights12 wrote: »

I always ran in a group, it's Cyrodiil. I don't understand why people seem to insist that running large group PVP there is such a bad thing? BG's are a lot different though.

But what does that have to do with the battlefield mobility? IMO you would need it in large and small groups alike.

Is that a good team peels for you. Makes it easier for you to not be in situation where you need to run like that.

zaria

Knowledge wrote: »

Knights12 wrote: »

I always ran in a group, it's Cyrodiil. I don't understand why people seem to insist that running large group PVP there is such a bad thing? BG's are a lot different though.

But what does that have to do with the battlefield mobility? IMO you would need it in large and small groups alike.

Enemy has to kill the zerg before getting this one, khajit drink an invisibility potion and hides, then res, group take outpost who stops enemy reinforcement and letting us roll them up like an sweet-roll.

Knowledge

zaria wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Knights12 wrote: »

I always ran in a group, it's Cyrodiil. I don't understand why people seem to insist that running large group PVP there is such a bad thing? BG's are a lot different though.

But what does that have to do with the battlefield mobility? IMO you would need it in large and small groups alike.

Enemy has to kill the zerg before getting this one, khajit drink an invisibility potion and hides, then res, group take outpost who stops enemy reinforcement and letting us roll them up like an sweet-roll.

Yes, but if you get CCd by the enemy zerg and you pop mistform you reposition to LOS them and possibly survive.

jssriot

Yeah, but you do need to be pretty tanky and accept you're going to get cc'd, especially when your group leaves you in the dust because you have no stam after breaking free and no one else in group is willing to slot purge and despite all the times I hear a group leader promise to protect the healer, they never do.

Immov pots help too. Don't rely on the piddly ones that the siege merchant sells tho--you'll need the real, crafted stuff.

I run one temp healer that's not a vamp and one that is. Honestly I think the non-vamp makes for a better pvp healer as she doesn't get killed as easily and due to being an altmer actually has better resource management when wearing the same gear as my vamp Arognian healer, and thus has a slight edge in survivability, because she can heal herself better and for longer in bad situations (Breton is another good option for a non-vamp pvp healer for same reason).

The perks of being a vamp in pvp, I feel, is a little overpraised--they're good if they fit your playstyle but they're not that awesome that everyone needs to be a vamp. A lot comes down to your gear and playstyle. You can deal with getting cc'd by being tanky or you can use Mist. Spec according to your choice.

Knowledge

jssriot wrote: »

Yeah, but you do need to be pretty tanky and accept you're going to get cc'd, especially when your group leaves you in the dust because you have no stam after breaking free and no one else in group is willing to slot purge and despite all the times I hear a group leader promise to protect the healer, they never do.

Immov pots help too. Don't rely on the piddly ones that the siege merchant sells tho--you'll need the real, crafted stuff.

I run one temp healer that's not a vamp and one that is. Honestly I think the non-vamp makes for a better pvp healer as she doesn't get killed as easily and due to being an altmer actually has better resource management when wearing the same gear as my vamp Arognian healer, and thus has a slight edge in survivability, because she can heal herself better and for longer in bad situations (Breton is another good option for a non-vamp pvp healer for same reason).

The perks of being a vamp in pvp, I feel, is a little overpraised--they're good if they fit your playstyle but they're not that awesome that everyone needs to be a vamp. A lot comes down to your gear and playstyle. You can deal with getting cc'd by being tanky or you can use Mist. Spec according to your choice.

I'm trying to understand what you said. The Argonian that has vampirism which offers supernatural recovery (10% stam + 10% magicka regen) has less sustain than the Altmer without that and less healing effectiveness (5% bonus on Argonian)

gr4yrang3r87

Never been a vampire... Just run around like a crazy chicken with it's head cut off, roll dodging when absolutely necessary and ALWAYS staying in your group. Works for me.

Knowledge

gr4yrang3r87 wrote: »

Never been a vampire... Just run around like a crazy chicken with it's head cut off, roll dodging when absolutely necessary and ALWAYS staying in your group. Works for me.

What is your build? Sets, etc?

Wycks

Until ZOS fixes cc immunity (they never will) then mistform is your only option. This is especially true with crappy players who spam cc over and over and/or combine multiple cc's to un unbreakable combo (talons + fear for example).