JerryAlder wrote: »Hi Liofa and Thx for a nice guide!
Just had one question: Do you always run 7 heavy and why? This was probably the only thing I didn't see explanation for )
Seperatist wrote: »Thanks for posting build, nice choice on jewelry glyphs with stamina cost reduction since update.
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Seperatist wrote: »Thanks for posting build, nice choice on jewelry glyphs with stamina cost reduction since update.
Have you done the math and seen the difference between two?
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Seperatist wrote: »Thanks for posting build, nice choice on jewelry glyphs with stamina cost reduction since update.
Have you done the math and seen the difference between two?
SmellyUnlimited wrote: »So even with off-balance changes running lightning backbar is still viable?
Also, what do you think about Frost Staves? I know they upped the block amount; just curious if you had tested to see if they were useful at all yet.
SmellyUnlimited wrote: »@Liofa
Okay cool, thanks. Yeah I'd gotten the Tactician passive in the CP system thinking my roll dodging would be sufficient for off-balance, so was considering a frost staff. I'm guessing that passive isn't really viable?
Personofsecrets wrote: »Hello Liofa,
Do you know if anyone is doing anything creative with Jorvuld’s Guidance?
As usual, thank you.
anticlergy wrote: »@Liofa . I want to thank you for your guide. It really showed me a lot. However, I have a question or two still.
Basically, after watching your video, I noticed at one point you mentioned that the only reason you are tanking on a DK tank is due to the engulfing flames debuff. And, you specifically said that, if it were not for that debuff, any tank can do the content. So, my questions is really if this is true.
What I mean is that I lurk a lot on the forums. I read posts from people who have a ton of experience and attempt to learn from it. And, from everything I seem to see, people only seem to want a DK tank in Vet trials. Now, I know they are more tanky and all that, but if another tank can do it, why are other tanks so frowned upon? Again, I know that the new engulfing flames debuff is awesome, but if that was taken away, why do people still only want a DK?
Ultimately, I am not trying to argue against the meta. But, I would love to play another tank besides a DK in high level content. And, while I am new to ESO for the most part, I know I am very good at what I do. I have tanked at an extremely high level in many other games. But, it just seems that convincing people to take another tank is like walking uphill both ways.
Basically, I am wondering if you could maybe explain to people that any tank can do the content. And, the only reason that a DK is being brought is due to the engulfing flames debuff. Now, if this is not something that you don't believe, then I am totally cool with you not saying anything. But, my goal is for people to thin outside the box and understand that it can be done just as well.
Anyhow, I appreciate you reading this. And, I appreciate all the information you share with the community. I look forward to reading more posts from you.
anticlergy wrote: »@Liofa . I want to thank you for your guide. It really showed me a lot. However, I have a question or two still.
Basically, after watching your video, I noticed at one point you mentioned that the only reason you are tanking on a DK tank is due to the engulfing flames debuff. And, you specifically said that, if it were not for that debuff, any tank can do the content. So, my questions is really if this is true.
What I mean is that I lurk a lot on the forums. I read posts from people who have a ton of experience and attempt to learn from it. And, from everything I seem to see, people only seem to want a DK tank in Vet trials. Now, I know they are more tanky and all that, but if another tank can do it, why are other tanks so frowned upon? Again, I know that the new engulfing flames debuff is awesome, but if that was taken away, why do people still only want a DK?
Ultimately, I am not trying to argue against the meta. But, I would love to play another tank besides a DK in high level content. And, while I am new to ESO for the most part, I know I am very good at what I do. I have tanked at an extremely high level in many other games. But, it just seems that convincing people to take another tank is like walking uphill both ways.
Basically, I am wondering if you could maybe explain to people that any tank can do the content. And, the only reason that a DK is being brought is due to the engulfing flames debuff. Now, if this is not something that you don't believe, then I am totally cool with you not saying anything. But, my goal is for people to thin outside the box and understand that it can be done just as well.
Anyhow, I appreciate you reading this. And, I appreciate all the information you share with the community. I look forward to reading more posts from you.
Hello @anticlergy ! I'll explain why DK is preferred . Because it is easier to play . Igneous Shield and Battle Roar are so easy to use . Literally , only thing you need to do is pressing a button to get sustain . It is just easy gameplay . Other classes will have to pay much more attention to everything and just have a harder time sustaining . DK can just permablock and not give a care . It's less risky to play and easy . If it wasn't for Engulfing Flames , I would play Warden all the way because Warden has better defensive group support skills and higher ultimate regeneration .
anticlergy wrote: »anticlergy wrote: »@Liofa . I want to thank you for your guide. It really showed me a lot. However, I have a question or two still.
Basically, after watching your video, I noticed at one point you mentioned that the only reason you are tanking on a DK tank is due to the engulfing flames debuff. And, you specifically said that, if it were not for that debuff, any tank can do the content. So, my questions is really if this is true.
What I mean is that I lurk a lot on the forums. I read posts from people who have a ton of experience and attempt to learn from it. And, from everything I seem to see, people only seem to want a DK tank in Vet trials. Now, I know they are more tanky and all that, but if another tank can do it, why are other tanks so frowned upon? Again, I know that the new engulfing flames debuff is awesome, but if that was taken away, why do people still only want a DK?
Ultimately, I am not trying to argue against the meta. But, I would love to play another tank besides a DK in high level content. And, while I am new to ESO for the most part, I know I am very good at what I do. I have tanked at an extremely high level in many other games. But, it just seems that convincing people to take another tank is like walking uphill both ways.
Basically, I am wondering if you could maybe explain to people that any tank can do the content. And, the only reason that a DK is being brought is due to the engulfing flames debuff. Now, if this is not something that you don't believe, then I am totally cool with you not saying anything. But, my goal is for people to thin outside the box and understand that it can be done just as well.
Anyhow, I appreciate you reading this. And, I appreciate all the information you share with the community. I look forward to reading more posts from you.
Hello @anticlergy ! I'll explain why DK is preferred . Because it is easier to play . Igneous Shield and Battle Roar are so easy to use . Literally , only thing you need to do is pressing a button to get sustain . It is just easy gameplay . Other classes will have to pay much more attention to everything and just have a harder time sustaining . DK can just permablock and not give a care . It's less risky to play and easy . If it wasn't for Engulfing Flames , I would play Warden all the way because Warden has better defensive group support skills and higher ultimate regeneration .
Hey @Liofa! Thanks for the response. I guess I see the point. But, I also see it as a personal challenge now. If the only reason that people prefer a DK is because anyone can play it, then a strong player must be able to play another class at the same level. In theory of course lol.
Anyhow, I appreciate the responses. I will keep my DK on standby, but it is mind-numbing and boring. Basically, I know I can be awesome on another class if I work hard and learn the fights. Now to beg people to give me a chance.........
SmellyUnlimited wrote: »
I think this is a pretty solid build overall, but I would definitely run Absorb Magic on the front bar; the block cost reduction is extremely beneficial, and most of the time you'll be on your front bar as a tank. I'm also curious about running Balance - to my knowledge, not many top tier tanks use it because it puts too much strain on health in veteran Trials. I suppose it would be situational, but running it on Rakkhat for example is a death wish.
Outside of a few situations, I would consider chains to be absolutely essential and just as important as engulfing flames in terms of keeping DKs at the top of the tanking meta, so I wouldn't consider that a flex skill. Several of the others listed are too situational to really ever be used, with a few that are very beneficial most of the time (orbs and vigor stand out).
I also think you're overstating the importance of resistances versus improved stats - the increased resistances from an additional 2 pieces of heavy armor is quite minor compared to the extra resources you get from running 5-1-1 armor, especially with diminishing returns. In terms of monster sets, you should definitely include Bloodspawn in my opinion - more ultimate generation leads to a greater warhorn uptime, which is generally more useful than the buffs from Lord Warden and Thurvokun.
how *** does trait have to be? i see you have it all sturdy but how about reinforced chest and infused big pieces?
also, while farming for alkosh, is torug or akaviri dragonguard the better support set to go for?
thanks!
I don't recommend using Torug's at all.
Sordidfairytale wrote: »
Obviously things change over time, but given your two conflicting statements on Torug's in this thread, do you still recommend Torug's in Asylum?