set help

Lynx7386

Two topics in one here: I'vee recently changed my tank nb to a healer/dps and my magdk dps to a tank. Trying to finalize sets for both.

Currently the magblade has 5 spellpower cure + 6 bahraha's curse (spellpower is on head and shoulders until i can get other pieces, front and back weapons are bahraha's staves). I dealt I'd like to go with spc, another 5 pc, and a couple 1pc set staves like maelstrom, but I've had a terrible time trying to beat vma at all. I keep hearing about asylum but haven't done that yet.

I'm using bahraha's curse because I already had it on hand from my tank build, and it isn't terrible for extra damage and self heals, but obviously ill need to replace it with something else.


As for the dk, I'm using 5pc torugs pact (3 armor, 1h/shield, and staff) for crusher, and currently my second set is 5pc elf bane, with bloodspawn helm and shoulders. Elf bane is mostly an experiment while I try to get a second ebon ring, at which point ill swap out elf bane for 5pc ebon. Any suggestions on this setup or should it be good to go?
I'm kinda curious if chudan + pirate skeleton or another monster set would be more reliable than blood spawn though.

Illurian

For your tank:

Blood Spawn is probably one of the best choices for the ult gen. I personally use Lord Warden, but it's more of a personal choice, and I wouldn't consider it optimal.

Why are you using a staff? I'd recommend using 1h + shield on both bars.

For your second set, Ebon Armory or Plague Doctor both work. Ebon Armory has more group support with that 1k extra health, while Plague Doctor gives you more selfish survivability.

Lynx7386

Why are you using a staff? I'd recommend using 1h + shield on both bars.

Because elemental blockade is the best way to keep the crusher enchant active at maximum uptime. Back bar is only used as a buff bar and to cast elemental blockade for that purpose, minimal time spent there.

Illurian

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Why are you using a staff? I'd recommend using 1h + shield on both bars.

Because elemental blockade is the best way to keep the crusher enchant active at maximum uptime. Back bar is only used as a buff bar and to cast elemental blockade for that purpose, minimal time spent there.

But you'd be losing one of your set bonuses by swapping to the backbar. I personally use the crusher enchant in the front bar so it gets applied off cool down. My weakening enchant is on my backbar which also gets applied constantly through weaving while buffing up or regaining resources with Equilibrium.

It's an interesting concept though, I'll have to admit.

Lynx7386

Its part of the torugs set, so dropping to 4pc on the back bar doesn't matter stat wise.

You put the crusher enchant on your 1h/shield bar, when you cast blockade on the back bar and then weapon swap, the blockade will proc your front bar enchant

xiZeroPointix

Is this for pvp or pve? There is going to be quite a difference as far as sets go. Fortified brass is becoming popular for pve. Craftable in light armor so you can be at resist cap very easily (over 33k will get you nothing unless u are debuffed). Magdk is resource heavy on skills and the light armor passives are great for dks. You wont need to run a recovery set. I run 5pc fortified reinforced cause I dont block hardly. With hardened armor I am above resist cap. If you u do a lot of pug grouping through activity finder then u need to supply quite a few buffs for your group. Ebon is usually the best 5 pc for this as most people are below the 17k-18k standard. As mentioned above, Lord warden is a good group utility as it raises the resist of your group if they are standing inside the proc. Its like giving hardened armor to your whole group. Dk in general is dependant on ulti gen for resource sustain. Bloodspawn and werewolf hide along with akaviri dragon guard will give you ultimate regen for days. Casting a standard..warhorn...or molten armor ultis are the best group utility u can provide as a tank which is your main focus other than well being tanky. Other sets to look at are orgums scales (crafted) or beekeeper for amazing health recovery. Although selfish they will make you almost invincible. Wizards reposte will apply maim to a target reducing the damage your group takes by 15% standard of might does this as well along with talon all provide maim...that with circle of protection another 30% ebon for the high health and lord warden would help your group survive. Alkosh is the best set for reducing resistances and should be a goal to obtain. For solid builds check out @liofa or @woehler for the best tanking adviseand build ideas.

xiZeroPointix

Double post....if u do use fortified look at the light and heavy armor passives and decide which ones would be more benificial for your end goals as a tank.

Lynx7386

Circle of protection only gives 8%, minor protection not major. Wizard's riposte isnt needed for a DK because choking talons already provides maim.

I didnt think about using fortified brass in light armor though, that's actually an interesting concept. I'd be losing quite a bit of health, healing received, and constitution from heavy armor passives however, though it might be worth being able to use annulment on a tank that's already based on magicka.

xiZeroPointix

Yes i went into greater detail on this build here:

xiZeroPointix wrote: »

I suggested light armor brass in another forum post for dk because some guildies and I run a few sorc tanks that use rattlecage heavy. Prior to clockwork city when the wrath passive was a thing. We could tank and once the wrath stacks were up have 100% sorcery and brutality up from rattle and have 4500 spell damage. With crit surge running we were pulling very nice dps and full health bar while doing damage while tanking which got us many no death speed runs. Since that is gone..we have switched to light fortified with either alkosh, ebon, or beekeeper sword and board. Tri glypgh enchants and asylum resto back bar for the reduced cost. We then have high health, resist, and magicka for days to cast absorb magic or dampen for the huge shields. You loose out on healing recieved and constitution from heavy, but obsidian shiled gives major mending is more than enough to top yourself off. Since we have ligjt armor, we can ditch obsidian and slot a different earthen heart abikity for mending and minir brutality. Dk regen passives have been nerfed and fortified gives us all around good stats for magicka and helps with sustain. Both stam and magicka dks have to rely on magic for survival with the exception of vigor or a 2h backbar for rally. It also allows for a little bit of damage fir tanks that would like to contribute a little bit. Now the set is selfish meaning u loose some group utility on your main 5pc, but is very viable. You get 10% reduced spell cost, 20%mag recovery and increased spell resist which is the majority of the damage dealt in pve. We are vampires so magic is a non issue combined with undeath passive. With light champion back bar which is very cheap ult cost 100. Your group and yourself will be very hard to kill and high sustain from casting a cheap ult. With bloodspawn this ult will be up very very often. Since we have a high magicka pool we run max health max stam bi stat food to block those heavy hits. If in trouble we have access to very large shields and the asylum resto gives us further reduced cost to cast another shield or heal up with blessing of protection. Most dks die because they run out of magicka. In light this a non issue. This is not meta whatsoever and will change the game for tanking. Since we have resto back bar we will slot lights champion 100 ulti cost and you get increased crit damage to your teams dps along with major protection reducing incoming damage to 30%. A dk tank can keep this up almost 100% and is better than standard in my opinion. Then we will have force siphon to apply lifesteal to the enemy for 600 heal per second which is an effective 1200 health recovery for 20 seconds and since you cast it the healing has an extra 150% bonus healing taken to urself and heals your group. It will also give u magicka steal giving 400 magicka every second, which is an effective 800 mag regen for 20 seconds, then ward ally to give you and the lowest health ally a sheild that gets up too 300% stronger the lower your health is. The third sheild if u have slotted obsidian and dampen is prolly overkill but we are a tank and dying is not an option when you have to rez your whole team fighting earthgore when all 3 minions are up so yeah very strong. Front bar will be ur normal s&b skills so nothing special there. We loose a little bit of utility from the 5 pc but will take a lot of pressure off of yourself and your healer. The less time your healer is healing, the more time he has to drop a destro ulti and keep up concussed via lighting wall in if u have 2 stam dps. Eso is in a great place to break out of the box and try interesting builds. If you build aroundbthe set ur are utilizing a lot of different possibiites arise. Good Luck and bring on the light armor tank meta lol. With that said the hate mail will come!

Nestor

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Why are you using a staff? I'd recommend using 1h + shield on both bars.

Because elemental blockade is the best way to keep the crusher enchant active at maximum uptime. Back bar is only used as a buff bar and to cast elemental blockade for that purpose, minimal time spent there.

Need to stop thinking like a DPS, think like a Tank.

Crusher is overrated, its a small amount of debuff compared to what you can do with Puncture. Now, I run the Crusher enchant on my tank, on the sword and board, so it's not useless, and quite frankly, for a Tank, the only other real choice is one that absorbs an attribute. But to gimp your build for that, is questionable. Run Sharpened on your swords too if you want some more debuff.

And keeping it up on your sword on a tank is easy, as your going to be doing Heavy Attacks anyway to recover resources. So, the uptime on the enchant takes care of itself.

You really want 5+5+2 on a Tank. Hist Bark is one good set, so is Allesia's Bulwark if all you can do is craft, Ebon is preferred for Trials and to an extent 4 player Dungeons. Alkosh has some usefulness now, but it is a slog to get that stuff, and I wonder if it really is all that and a biscuit. If you don't have Ebon, then Run Plague Doctor until you do. This leaves you with your Monster Choice. As mentioned Bloodspawn is good, there is a set that gives nice resistances. Some run two different monster pieces that give Magic Regen. But the Monster set should be selected with how you tank, not someone else.

xiZeroPointix

The build is flexible and helps make up for the nerfs of the dragonknight. Argonian is bis for a number of reasons for both pvp and pve and will be the recommended race for dk tanking moving forward. With proper cp allocation and some attribute adjustment light armor tanking is viable and proven. I will have a build video up soon to show footage and screenshots of the stats. This can be used for other classes as well. As mentioned above we ran sorc tanks for a long time with great success. Yes we use shields, but why not? Sorcs are underrated for tanking and people should realize that dk and sorc share copied abilities. Talons and encase, obsidan shield and dark conversion ( dark deal) trading magick for stam. Obsidian shield and hardened ward. Only without the major mending for 3 sec. Hardened armor and hurricane (boundless storm) stonefist and frags now without the stun. Lot of similarities here and both are viable for survivability only sorc gets major expedition making you a mobile tank. Sorc tank is very strong and breaks the dk tank meta. Sorc has some of the best survival tools in the game and in someways is now superior to dragonknight in SOME aspects of tanking. Please let me know your thoughts on this and i will start a new thread shortly showcasing the full details of the build thanks and enjoy!

xiZeroPointix

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Circle of protection only gives 8%, minor protection not major. Wizard's riposte isnt needed for a DK because choking talons already provides maim.

I didnt think about using fortified brass in light armor though, that's actually an interesting concept. I'd be losing quite a bit of health, healing received, and constitution from heavy armor passives however, though it might be worth being able to use annulment on a tank that's already based on magicka.

Yes that was a typo. Thanks for the clarification!