Please bring back CP BGs!

Killset

Man I’m not sure what BG’s you guys are playing.. On Xbox NA though it’s same old same old. Skoria, Zaan, Caluurion, perma block, snares, sub assault, trees, spin to win, roots, endless fury, etc. Unkillable builds still exist in spades and if your not in a pre-made it’s lights out. I felt like in cp at least I stood a chance solo but with pre-mades running around now it’s brutal.

KrishakPanettier

Non-CP Battlegrounds I am sorry to admit, are more fun than battlegrounds with CP. I would be okay having a CP vs. Non-CP queue with an option to jump into the other if not enough are queued for one or the other. Make it so, ZOS.

brandonv516

Killset wrote: »

Man I’m not sure what BG’s you guys are playing.. On Xbox NA though it’s same old same old. Skoria, Zaan, Caluurion, perma block, snares, sub assault, trees, spin to win, roots, endless fury, etc. Unkillable builds still exist in spades and if your not in a pre-made it’s lights out. I felt like in cp at least I stood a chance solo but with pre-mades running around now it’s brutal.

Yeah solo is definitely harder in non-CP. In CP I ran mist form and blur on my mNB. I can't get away with this now (and live long). I traded those out for cloak and concealed - back to the dark side.

Definitely some "unkillable" builds around (two wardens come to the top of my head) but less than with CP.

Morgul667

Love the no-CP BG pace

keep it up ^^

Sugaroverdose

Killset wrote: »

Man I’m not sure what BG’s you guys are playing.. On Xbox NA though it’s same old same old. Skoria, Zaan, Caluurion, perma block, snares, sub assault, trees, spin to win, roots, endless fury, etc. Unkillable builds still exist in spades and if your not in a pre-made it’s lights out. I felt like in cp at least I stood a chance solo but with pre-mades running around now it’s brutal.

i've only meet unkillable groups of stamwarden+healing magplars, unkillable single person - never, PS4 EU

No-CP is the best thing for BG from my PoV, current CP system is a joke even in comparison with uncapped 1.6

DeadlyRecluse

In confined spaces with objective-based scoring, having fights actually end is pretty imperative. Fights end after a reasonable amount of time more often in noCP.

Proc sets are, of course, overtuned in noCP. Anyone using cost poisons in BGs is a cheeselord.

Grimlok_S

Diddly_D_Potatoes wrote: »

Must agree, BGs are flooded with stamNBs.

There needs to be a cull.
I've chased stealthing stamblades across maps with inner light and aoes after failed bg ganks.
Perhaps reducing the cost inner light would curb them.

Try the other morph.

Waffennacht

@Killset join the proc meta

SouthernSoldjer

Cp bgs were great, but I mean having a premade group is cancer either way.

Grimlok_S

At least premade groups die in no cp. Guard or guarded can be killed.

JWillCHS

brandonv516 wrote: »

So far I'm seeing these results (for me):

Magicka Nightblade - Same wrecking business as usual.

Magicka Templar - Had to change build to heavy and more offensive. Defense and heals do not work good at all. Defile is everywhere.

Magicka Dragonknight - Still need practice on DK but heavy and more offensive seems to work better than anything else.

Magicka Sorcerer - Very easy to sustain and keep damage up. That execute...just wow.

What I get killed by the most is Stamina Nightblades though. There are just so many.

Magicka Templar looses out on some great passives if you go heavy and not light armor. There are a enough sets that can make you tanky in light armor. Fortified Brass, and Wizard's Riposte are two great sets to run in BGs paired with an offensive set or another defensive set. Transmutation also provides group utility.

I usually do Transmutation on back bar/jewelry(sword/bar). Shacklebreaker/Wizard's Riposte/Fortified Brass/BSW/Juilanos/Overwhelming Surge on body. Dual wield Willpower or Torug's Pact swords. Just play around with monster sets.

I use Total Dark instead of an actual CC ability. There's no need to chase after people. Considerng most players mindsets in PvP(especially NBs), they'll always run back to the fight.

Edit: also a Templar's unbuff spell damage in no-CP does not need to be high. I blow people between 2000 and 2200.

ShadowMonarch

NOOOOOOOOOOO

No cp bg's are the only way a lot of us will even play them.

CP pvp is literally overloaded and stupid.

Beardimus

This ^

Pop is way back up now when I play as all the lower CP guys are back.

No CP really suits the BG intense Maps / pace.

Sevn

Derra wrote: »

Oh yeah. NonCP is so much fun.

Caluurion, Skoria, Zaan, Thorvukun, Viper, Ophidian venom, Selene, Velidreth and whatever doesn´t pop into my mind right now fun.

People sure do enjoy their armor playing the game for them
Atleast i don´t have to deal with those in cyro. Now if they could only make snipe builds vaible in bgs and we´d all be happy.

Only curious, what's the difference between players using armor as a crutch and players using cp AND armor as a crutch?

ShadowMonarch

Sevn wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Oh yeah. NonCP is so much fun.

Caluurion, Skoria, Zaan, Thorvukun, Viper, Ophidian venom, Selene, Velidreth and whatever doesn´t pop into my mind right now fun.

People sure do enjoy their armor playing the game for them
Atleast i don´t have to deal with those in cyro. Now if they could only make snipe builds vaible in bgs and we´d all be happy.

Only curious, what's the difference between players using armor as a crutch and players using cp AND armor as a crutch?

^This.

I hate the proctard meta but I would rather be able to kill the proctards then just have unkillable tank stamtards running around spamming Dawnbreaker and execute cause thats all they know how to do.

LokoMatic

From a Veteran PVP'er, this is the best change of all time. CP BG's were a bad idea, and it's great to see that change reverted. Thank you Zos.

Beardimus

Well said @LokoMatic population is up and the fast paced fun is back

Anomanderake

No cp is just better for pvp. Cp are good in zergish situation, as all things that bring power creep. Anyway i prefer small scale ^^

Gunzberg

Never bring back CP BGs...if you want that go Vivec instead.

Thogard

No CP is great except for all the nightblades

Mihael

Maybe it’s cos I hadent played in a while but did all the pleb bleed builds come with the no cp change

Grimlok_S

If I had to pick one of the two, it would be no CP.

Maybe there will be sufficient population to support both post-summerset. I'm sure zos will be monitoring queue populations.

Wonder if that would mean another set of leaderboards for CP/nonCP.

Drakkdjinn

Sevn wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Oh yeah. NonCP is so much fun.

Caluurion, Skoria, Zaan, Thorvukun, Viper, Ophidian venom, Selene, Velidreth and whatever doesn´t pop into my mind right now fun.

People sure do enjoy their armor playing the game for them
Atleast i don´t have to deal with those in cyro. Now if they could only make snipe builds vaible in bgs and we´d all be happy.

Only curious, what's the difference between players using armor as a crutch and players using cp AND armor as a crutch?

One uses 3 crutches, the other has 1.

Time to learn to play without training wheels brotha.

Mihael

Every time I get mad about how dumb proc sets are in bgs or how it’s harder to fight against groups, I remember all the tanky plebs from the cp days and those thoughts go away lol

Strider__Roshin

Remove poisons and proc sets, and I'll take non-CP all day. But in its current form CP campaigns are more balanced. Less people carried by proc sets, defile, and poisons.

Strider__Roshin

brandonv516 wrote: »

So far I'm seeing these results (for me):

Magicka Nightblade - Same wrecking business as usual.

Magicka Templar - Had to change build to heavy and more offensive. Defense and heals do not work good at all. Defile is everywhere.

Magicka Dragonknight - Still need practice on DK but heavy and more offensive seems to work better than anything else.

Magicka Sorcerer - Very easy to sustain and keep damage up. That execute...just wow.

What I get killed by the most is Stamina Nightblades though. There are just so many.

I've seen a total of 2 stamblades in the past two days of BGs. They are certainly the minority on PS4 NA.

VaranisArano

Daus wrote: »

Remove poisons and proc sets, and I'll take non-CP all day. But in its current form CP campaigns are more balanced. Less people carried by proc sets, defile, and poisons.

CP Campaigns, sure. CP BGs, on the other hand, were infested with tank builds designed to be nearly unkillable by 4 people.

They both have their issues, but ZOS chose to err on the side of players actually being able to kill each other.

Strider__Roshin

VaranisArano wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Remove poisons and proc sets, and I'll take non-CP all day. But in its current form CP campaigns are more balanced. Less people carried by proc sets, defile, and poisons.

CP Campaigns, sure. CP BGs, on the other hand, were infested with tank builds designed to be nearly unkillable by 4 people.

They both have their issues, but ZOS chose to err on the side of players actually being able to kill each other.

Yeah and now we have tanks wearing Fasallas, using reverb, resource poisons, and two proc sets while snaring you to death. I'll take CP any day.

Remove the aforementioned garbage, and I'll live in non-CP.

Maulkin

Proc sets were largely fine until Dragon Bones. Viper, Red Mountain, Skoria, Overwhelming, Troll King etc. have been nerfed/balanced in the past and while they are strong sets, they don't seem to over-perform to me.

However, they recently brought back the meta by adding Zaan and Caluurion with the last DLC. I've come to severely dislike their tendency to add OP proc sets with a DLC, to make everyone buy the DLC to grind them, then proceed to nerf them with the next update.

Resource Poisons on the other hand, are just terrible. They need to separate out resource poisons from the rest of the damage/utility poisons and make them non slot-table in no-CP content. Hard as it sounds to make, it's quite important for BGs.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Sixty5 wrote: »

How is spending 20 minutes tickling a 40k HP permablock tank fun?

Lately, I've been wondering why they don't bring back CPs and just do away with Battle Spirit.