stamina templar or stamina warden

Dardas

Hi,

Having a hard time deciding which build I would like to do.

The primary role in PVE is going to be a tank, however I would still like to use the build in PVP. I want it to have good damage in PVP and to be able to mix it up in PVE with different armor as a tank.

I personally like the Templar class in general better than the warden but i feel it is more suited to fufill my needs.

Imperials are my favorite race and I will be using that on either of the builds.

I am currently running a DK stam tank and ive gotten bored of it and i personally don't find it that good in PVP. I have a lot of experience as a tank, been playing it as my main role since 2014 so I am not afraid to play something that is not as good as a tank, just something that will be stronger in PVP.

Let me know your opinions or suggestions.

Thanks!

Dardas

Another option I was considering was a stam sorc. But i dont think they tank very well

Lynx7386

Dardas wrote: »

Another option I was considering was a stam sorc. But i dont think they tank very well

I've tanked on my stam sorc for quite some time. Definitely more difficult than dk or warden tanking but much easier than templar or nightblade, very well rounded and imo able to put out more damage as a tank than others.

Dardas

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Dardas wrote: »

Another option I was considering was a stam sorc. But i dont think they tank very well

I've tanked on my stam sorc for quite some time. Definitely more difficult than dk or warden tanking but much easier than templar or nightblade, very well rounded and imo able to put out more damage as a tank than others.

Do you have any suggests for a build for stam sorc? Also, how much tanking have you done with it? Is it viable?

Lynx7386

Done through maw and sanctum (vets) well enough, past that I was more comfortable with warden or dk.

Several setups work. For trials obviously you're stuck with ebon and either alkosh or powerful assault. Night mothers can work well for 4 mans if nobody else runs it.

I've also run a setup with livewire and leeching plate for more self heals, works great for 3dps dungeon runs.

In all those I ran shield front bar and dual wield back bar for blade cloak and blood craze.

Because dark deal for stamina return drops block, I found it easier to sustain with sentinel of rkugamz due to the healing output the build has.

Dardas

So you think a stamplar tank is harder to playing than a stam sorc?

Lynx7386

Dardas wrote: »

So you think a stamplar tank is harder to playing than a stam sorc?

Definitely. Templars have no reliable way to restore stamina, and for a stamina-focused tank build you pretty much lose all of the healing and utility that templar abilities gives. They work better as a magicka-focused tank, but still always are going to have stamina issues. They're in the same court as nightblade tanks in that regard: good with a magicka build, terrible stamina sustain, but lots of support via healing. They're great to run for vet dungeons with 3 dps and you serving both the tank and healer role, but outside that they suffer.

Sorceror works better all around with easier access to stamina sustain via dark deal (but again that is a difficult ability to use when you need to permablock) - and the key is that they dont have to go with a magicka build to proc sentinel of rkugamz in those situations due to healing from hurricane + critical surge. A stamina sorc build also benefits from dual wield backbar for deadly cloak to reduce aoe damage taken, allowing you to be a little more lax when it comes to soaking up damage and keeping the boss still.

Ultimately none of them stands up to a warden or dragonknight for trials tanking, but the stamina sorceror tank can definitely handle it better than a nightblade or templar. Both of those classes are better off going dps or healer for trials.

Dardas

I think I might learn towards a Warden then, because they seem to be good tanks. However, how are wardens as far as PVP goes?

Lynx7386

Lots of burst but difficult to execute correctly in a mobile environment. But I personally hate PvP and don't do it any more than is necessary

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Dardas wrote: »

Hi,

Having a hard time deciding which build I would like to do.

The primary role in PVE is going to be a tank, however I would still like to use the build in PVP. I want it to have good damage in PVP and to be able to mix it up in PVE with different armor as a tank.

I personally like the Templar class in general better than the warden but i feel it is more suited to fufill my needs.

Imperials are my favorite race and I will be using that on either of the builds.

I am currently running a DK stam tank and ive gotten bored of it and i personally don't find it that good in PVP. I have a lot of experience as a tank, been playing it as my main role since 2014 so I am not afraid to play something that is not as good as a tank, just something that will be stronger in PVP.

Let me know your opinions or suggestions.

Thanks!

Will try to take these points in order:

Primary Role is PVE tank: If you are serious about this at end game, DK is your only answer. Warden is in second place, and Templar is prob a distant 3rd these days. Can you tank most content on a Warden just fine? Sure, but DKs are the undisputed best PVE tanks in this game, period.

Wanting both a solid tank and good PVP damage is going to be a tough balance. Stam warden is arguably the PVP meta at the moment. Their damage is insanely strong. DKs, again, are SUPER tanky in both PVE and PVP. They can be very strong in the right hands. Their damage is more about sustaind pressure, where warden is about burst, no secret, burst is better in PVP most of the time. Warden is a stronger class than DK right now in PVP in my opinion. I think stam wardens are also ahead of Stamplar across the board, but I find a well played stamplar to be my toughest counter. I think stamplars are tougher to play than stam warden in PVP, but I dont have tons of time on either. Take that for what its worth.

Imperial is certainly a solid choice for what you are proposing. Argonian is your best Tank race, but imperial is probably in second place. Imperial is certainly a better damage race than argonian. For PVP across the board, I would give a slight edge to argonian, but hard to go wrong with either. Assuming that if you like imperial, you probably dont want scales and a tail.

Since you already have a DK, my advice is going to be an imperial warden. I think they edge out stamplar, based on your original post. If you decide to take up trial tanking, your DK will still be there. Again, Wardens are stronger than DKs in PVP, and I think they edge out stamplars as well.

Dardas

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Dardas wrote: »

Hi,

Having a hard time deciding which build I would like to do.

The primary role in PVE is going to be a tank, however I would still like to use the build in PVP. I want it to have good damage in PVP and to be able to mix it up in PVE with different armor as a tank.

I personally like the Templar class in general better than the warden but i feel it is more suited to fufill my needs.

Imperials are my favorite race and I will be using that on either of the builds.

I am currently running a DK stam tank and ive gotten bored of it and i personally don't find it that good in PVP. I have a lot of experience as a tank, been playing it as my main role since 2014 so I am not afraid to play something that is not as good as a tank, just something that will be stronger in PVP.

Let me know your opinions or suggestions.

Thanks!

Will try to take these points in order:

Primary Role is PVE tank: If you are serious about this at end game, DK is your only answer. Warden is in second place, and Templar is prob a distant 3rd these days. Can you tank most content on a Warden just fine? Sure, but DKs are the undisputed best PVE tanks in this game, period.

Wanting both a solid tank and good PVP damage is going to be a tough balance. Stam warden is arguably the PVP meta at the moment. Their damage is insanely strong. DKs, again, are SUPER tanky in both PVE and PVP. They can be very strong in the right hands. Their damage is more about sustaind pressure, where warden is about burst, no secret, burst is better in PVP most of the time. Warden is a stronger class than DK right now in PVP in my opinion. I think stam wardens are also ahead of Stamplar across the board, but I find a well played stamplar to be my toughest counter. I think stamplars are tougher to play than stam warden in PVP, but I dont have tons of time on either. Take that for what its worth.

Imperial is certainly a solid choice for what you are proposing. Argonian is your best Tank race, but imperial is probably in second place. Imperial is certainly a better damage race than argonian. For PVP across the board, I would give a slight edge to argonian, but hard to go wrong with either. Assuming that if you like imperial, you probably dont want scales and a tail.

Since you already have a DK, my advice is going to be an imperial warden. I think they edge out stamplar, based on your original post. If you decide to take up trial tanking, your DK will still be there. Again, Wardens are stronger than DKs in PVP, and I think they edge out stamplars as well.

Thank you very much for the detailed information. Pretty much hits the nail in the head. I think giving the Warden a shot is my best bet.

I havent done trails before, but I imagine the Wardens can stand pretty well as tanks. I can always use my DK if need be. But my main concern was better PVP skills with more damage. I noticed the DK kinda lacks burst which is what I am looking for

Lynx7386

I really get aggravated at people saying dks are still undisputed tank kings at endgame. Wardens are just as good, better in some situations. Templars certainly aren't in 3rd, not by a long shot - that goes to sorcs, with Templars and nightblade at a distant tied fifth- though nightblade definitely still beats templar in vet dungeon tanking.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Dardas wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Dardas wrote: »

Hi,

Having a hard time deciding which build I would like to do.

The primary role in PVE is going to be a tank, however I would still like to use the build in PVP. I want it to have good damage in PVP and to be able to mix it up in PVE with different armor as a tank.

I personally like the Templar class in general better than the warden but i feel it is more suited to fufill my needs.

Imperials are my favorite race and I will be using that on either of the builds.

I am currently running a DK stam tank and ive gotten bored of it and i personally don't find it that good in PVP. I have a lot of experience as a tank, been playing it as my main role since 2014 so I am not afraid to play something that is not as good as a tank, just something that will be stronger in PVP.

Let me know your opinions or suggestions.

Thanks!

Will try to take these points in order:

Primary Role is PVE tank: If you are serious about this at end game, DK is your only answer. Warden is in second place, and Templar is prob a distant 3rd these days. Can you tank most content on a Warden just fine? Sure, but DKs are the undisputed best PVE tanks in this game, period.

Wanting both a solid tank and good PVP damage is going to be a tough balance. Stam warden is arguably the PVP meta at the moment. Their damage is insanely strong. DKs, again, are SUPER tanky in both PVE and PVP. They can be very strong in the right hands. Their damage is more about sustaind pressure, where warden is about burst, no secret, burst is better in PVP most of the time. Warden is a stronger class than DK right now in PVP in my opinion. I think stam wardens are also ahead of Stamplar across the board, but I find a well played stamplar to be my toughest counter. I think stamplars are tougher to play than stam warden in PVP, but I dont have tons of time on either. Take that for what its worth.

Imperial is certainly a solid choice for what you are proposing. Argonian is your best Tank race, but imperial is probably in second place. Imperial is certainly a better damage race than argonian. For PVP across the board, I would give a slight edge to argonian, but hard to go wrong with either. Assuming that if you like imperial, you probably dont want scales and a tail.

Since you already have a DK, my advice is going to be an imperial warden. I think they edge out stamplar, based on your original post. If you decide to take up trial tanking, your DK will still be there. Again, Wardens are stronger than DKs in PVP, and I think they edge out stamplars as well.

Thank you very much for the detailed information. Pretty much hits the nail in the head. I think giving the Warden a shot is my best bet.

I havent done trails before, but I imagine the Wardens can stand pretty well as tanks. I can always use my DK if need be. But my main concern was better PVP skills with more damage. I noticed the DK kinda lacks burst which is what I am looking for

You are most welcome.

Stam Warden's have more burst than most people know what to do with. They are also insanely hard to kill in the right hands. They are an upgrade to DK IMO. If looking to up your PVP game, stam Warden is one of the most dominate open world classes there is in the current meta.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I really get aggravated at people saying dks are still undisputed tank kings at endgame. Wardens are just as good, better in some situations. Templars certainly aren't in 3rd, not by a long shot - that goes to sorcs, with Templars and nightblade at a distant tied fifth- though nightblade definitely still beats templar in vet dungeon tanking.

@Lynx7386
Sorry, buddy, dont mean to aggravate you.

When I say endgame PVE, I mean pushing score in a trial or 4 man arena. For that, DKs are the undisputed best tanks. The only relevant data as far as I am concerned are the leader boards. Wardens are also great pure tanks, but a pure tank, is not always what you need. They also make exceptional off tanks, because they have access to so many buffs. In 4 man, I love templar tanks because they can tank/heal at the same time, that's why I give them third. They are also one of the most common off tank specs you see in certain trials because they have access to a cheap purge. Also, best tank I know mained a templar forever, but even he re-rolled to DK when we started pushing VMOL HM scores.

Sorcs and NBs can make perfectly fine tanks in 4 man content, but I am certainly not going to recommend either to someone that wants to be a competitive end game tank. I wont say never, but you rarely see either of these classes on top of the leaderboard as tanks. What you do see is that the vast majority of main tanks are DKS, and the vast majority of off tanks are fall into one of those three (DK, Templar, Warden). That is certainly not a coincidence.

Swen_von_Walhallion

Well as Templar main i can say tanking with templar is not so hard, specialy at dungeons, you only need know when you can drop block and use HA, and when you cen absorb dmg only by sun shield and when you need use block. Ai run on my Tank temlar ebon + warmachine set, in combination Empowering Sweep it give me rly nice dmg reduction, and its rly great suport for dungeons, as stamina dd is teplar one of best users of warmachine set too due ther cheap ultimate ability and ofc PotL unique debuf skill whi havy any other class. some1 can say teplar as tank is problem bc dont have chais, but with Swarm Mother set you can manage ranged adds beter then dk with chain or warden with portals. Well in pvp stamina templars are not best one, but my WW templar still can be rly dangerous specialy in WW form. And true is wrden is worst class for WW bc have no working clas pasives in wolf body.