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DoctorESO · February 2018

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VaranisArano · February 2018

I made myself an Exploit Bingo card for the exploit threads, filled with phrases like:

Khajiit is innocent of this crime!
I was just playing the game.
Stop right there, criminal scum!
All cheaters should be banned.
It's not an exploit.
You don't know what exploit means.
Have you heard about this other exploit?
The TOS are more like the Pirates' Code. Guidelines, really.
You can't be banned for something that ZOS messed up.
Have you actually read the TOS?
I trust ZOS to sort it out.
I don't trust ZOS to sort it out.
Cheaters should take an arrow to the knee.

And of course, for the free space -

ZOS, its all your fault!

DoctorESO · February 2018

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f047ys3v3n · February 2018

They don't have the staff to address this. If they had the staff to address this it would not have had the problem to start with.

1) The simple solution was a roll back to the update. That would have been quick and easy but ZOS is stupid so they won't do that. Just like they have a thing against banning players they have a thing against roll backs.

2) They will pretend to address this. Maybe they will find the top 100 xp gainers and give them a 3 day ban or something. They will not really address it though because a "case by case" would be a crazy high and idiotic use of resources. Most will keep their xp gains. Probably even those that get a slap on the wrist will keep the xp gain.

3) They don't really hand out or even catch guys who run 3rd party cheat software I really doubt this is going to be a priority. Given there is a level cap it is certainly much less disruptive than cheat engine.

4) I totally laughed my ass off when I read about this especially since they basically sent a bunch of folks into IC (a basically deserted place) with their new coffers at the same time they screwed up the XP. I expect they were using these mad xp mobs to test their leveling reward system and forgot to put it back. Easily remedied with a roll back.... but of course not.

5) For what it is worth I would have exploited the you know what out of it if I had come across it for the simple reason ZOS history would lead me to believe that I would not be punished and that I would get to keep the gains. I also hate grinding and though I have far over cap CP I do have 3 unleveled toons that I would like to play but have not interest in actually leveling.

Gothren · February 2018

there needs to be some form of punishment of knowingly abusing an exploit.

MehrunesFlagon · February 2018

Anotherone773 · February 2018

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

They don't have the staff to address this. If they had the staff to address this it would not have had the problem to start with.

1) The simple solution was a roll back to the update. That would have been quick and easy but ZOS is stupid so they won't do that. Just like they have a thing against banning players they have a thing against roll backs.

2) They will pretend to address this. Maybe they will find the top 100 xp gainers and give them a 3 day ban or something. They will not really address it though because a "case by case" would be a crazy high and idiotic use of resources. Most will keep their xp gains. Probably even those that get a slap on the wrist will keep the xp gain.

3) They don't really hand out or even catch guys who run 3rd party cheat software I really doubt this is going to be a priority. Given there is a level cap it is certainly much less disruptive than cheat engine.

4) I totally laughed my ass off when I read about this especially since they basically sent a bunch of folks into IC (a basically deserted place) with their new coffers at the same time they screwed up the XP. I expect they were using these mad xp mobs to test their leveling reward system and forgot to put it back. Easily remedied with a roll back.... but of course not.

5) For what it is worth I would have exploited the you know what out of it if I had come across it for the simple reason ZOS history would lead me to believe that I would not be punished and that I would get to keep the gains. I also hate grinding and though I have far over cap CP I do have 3 unleveled toons that I would like to play but have not interest in actually leveling.

1) If they rollback the servers then everything we have done since will be lost and we will have to do it over. On top of that we will have to endure the rollback, wait for the update, then wait for it to be patched again into live. All that is going to do is annoy people more.

2)I am pretty sure this is exclusive to location. They shouldnt have that hard of time finding the exploiters once they know what they are looking for.

3) They will fix it because if they dont, everyone will just go "power level" at the exploit. I have seen that happen in another game that predates this one. No one would ever do anything that requires leveling.

4)Likely what happened, but no we dont need a rollback.

5)I find great joy in people who cheat getting caught,personally. But then ive had to deal with cheaters breaking games and screwing it up for everyone else.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · February 2018

Ok. I killed a pig in craglorn while the servers were up. Do I need to worry?

Runefang · February 2018

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Ok. I killed a pig in craglorn while the servers were up. Do I need to worry?

Yeah but only because PETA are going to be knocking on your door shortly.

MehrunesFlagon · February 2018

Surprised the Mellisandre meme didn't get more than awesomes. So appropriate for patch day eso.

Montayva · February 2018

I don’t trust the system because
a) I inadvertently discovered a bug in the past, reported said bug, moved on, still got banned. Made many attempts to have it revoked with no success, while watching people who knowingly exploited the same bug have their bans lifted.
And
b) like mentioned previously, it really doesn’t seem like they have the resources to mount such a large scale investigation.

Considering how many other issues they had with crown store items and other such things a rollback would have been the fastest way to ensure everything was fair and square again.

VaranisArano · February 2018

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Ok. I killed a pig in craglorn while the servers were up. Do I need to worry?

If that's serious, no. People were getting 1.9 million exp for killing a mob in the Imperial City.

DoctorESO · February 2018

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Prof_Bawbag · February 2018

Genuine question, does anybody actually read any TOS they encounter on the net? I admit, I scroll down to the bottom and merely tick the "I agree" box and move on. Not got time nor desire to read all the legal waffle on any site.

AlienatedGoat · February 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

Again, if you just came across the exploit and didn't abuse it, you have nothing to fear. Let ZOS do their job. Trust the process. It's worked for you so far, as you are still playing the game and haven't been banned for any of the numerous other exploits that have been discovered.

Nowhere in those communications did @ZOS_GinaBruno say how they would be auditing, what the definition of "exploiting" was, and how it would be "handled". Just because they said its on a "case-by-case" basis isn't reason enough to believe that everything is going to be fair and impartial.

You're making quite a big leap here by saying that there's nothing to fear. There's far too many questions, and frankly I've seen how ZOS has handled things in the past 4 years. There's lots of things to be worried about.

VaranisArano · February 2018

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Genuine question, does anybody actually read any TOS they encounter on the net? I admit, I scroll down to the bottom and merely tick the "I agree" box and move on. Not got time nor desire to read all the legal waffle on any site.

I read them. Its great fun to post the sections of the TOS and the Code of Conduct when people are like "Well, how could I possibly have know how to react when I saw this bug?!"

Ignorance is not bliss when it comes to breaking the TOS of a video game.

DarcyMardin · February 2018

Almost everyone has a thing against rollbacks. Maintaining state across a huge population, i.e., keeping track of every action that every character on the server performs over time) is one of the key technical things that MMOs *do*. It would be crazy to rollback the server for everyone just because a few people engaged in an exploit.

Yeah, Zeni screwed up in several ways on this release. But most of us are logging in and playing the game anyway, without racking up millions of XP or buying houses for the clearly incorrect price of a single crown. Why should our gameplay be rolled back because a few gamers are worried about a ban?

DoctorESO · February 2018

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Messy1 · February 2018

BAN BOTS . . . that's a good use of everyone's time!

monktoasty · February 2018

If they ban a single account that would be injustice. It's their fault plus I never seem them act so quick..wish they were this quick to fix game breaking bugs and ban bots

But oh well it's their game I'll just enjoy it. Glad I'm on Xbox

Ardan147 · February 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Genuine question, does anybody actually read any TOS they encounter on the net? I admit, I scroll down to the bottom and merely tick the "I agree" box and move on. Not got time nor desire to read all the legal waffle on any site.

I read them. Its great fun to post the sections of the TOS and the Code of Conduct when people are like "Well, how could I possibly have know how to react when I saw this bug?!"

Ignorance is not bliss when it comes to breaking the TOS of a video game.

Even if one actually has the time and patience to read through the entire thing to the bottom, how many people are actually going to remember every little thing in that huge document of legal mumbo jumbo? Of course, simple common sense would dictate that taking advantage of what is clearly a bug in the game. to gain some disproportionate and unfair advantage is clearly no good.

DoctorESO · February 2018

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VaranisArano · February 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

Ardan147 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Genuine question, does anybody actually read any TOS they encounter on the net? I admit, I scroll down to the bottom and merely tick the "I agree" box and move on. Not got time nor desire to read all the legal waffle on any site.

I read them. Its great fun to post the sections of the TOS and the Code of Conduct when people are like "Well, how could I possibly have know how to react when I saw this bug?!"

Ignorance is not bliss when it comes to breaking the TOS of a video game.

Even if one actually has the time and patience to read through the entire thing to the bottom, how many people are actually going to remember every little thing in that huge document of legal mumbo jumbo? Of course, simple common sense would dictate that taking advantage of what is clearly a bug in the game. to gain some disproportionate and unfair advantage is clearly no good.

Am I the only one who reads the TOS each day before logging into the game?

And also the only one who reads the driving laws manual before getting into the car each day?

I read a car manual when something's gone wrong and I'm not quite sure what to do.

If I read the TOS when I'm not sure what to do when I encounter a bug, it tells me to report is and not exploit it.

VaranisArano · February 2018

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Genuine question, does anybody actually read any TOS they encounter on the net? I admit, I scroll down to the bottom and merely tick the "I agree" box and move on. Not got time nor desire to read all the legal waffle on any site.

Here, I'll cut down on the time for you, since I've practically got this parts favorited after the vAS cheating ban. The pertinent parts were:

Terms of Service https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service
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"5.2 Users will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system (such as the scoring or award systems) in a ZeniMax Game, Service, forum, or other games or services provided by ZeniMax. Users will not intentionally use or share any bug found within any ZeniMax Game, real or fictitious, regardless of whether or not it grants an unfair advantage. You will not directly or indirectly communicate the existence of any such bug to any other user of the ZeniMax Service (in game or on a ZeniMax service). Report bugs and exploits using the in-game portal or via http://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/home."

kyle.wilson · February 2018

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

2) They will pretend to address this. Maybe they will find the top 100 xp gainers and give them a 3 day ban or something. They will not really address it though because a "case by case" would be a crazy high and idiotic use of resources. Most will keep their xp gains. Probably even those that get a slap on the wrist will keep the xp gain.

This will be easily identifiable by a simple search on ZOS part. Honest people will have stopped within minutes of entering, while a dishonest person would've spent much longer.
While I'm convinced that the pts is an alpha for dlc, it still doesn't exonerate the player that exploited. Its not like it would take more than 30 sec to notice something was up.

Even Crabbe and Goyle weren't that thick

I can imagine that a competent dev would be able to complete all bans in an hour, harldy much wasted time.

Ackwalan · February 2018

Nothing will be done about it. When ZOS says, "we'll let you know the outcome", that is ZOS speak for, "never going to talk about it again".

DoctorESO · February 2018

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wenchmore420b14_ESO · February 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

Ardan147 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Genuine question, does anybody actually read any TOS they encounter on the net? I admit, I scroll down to the bottom and merely tick the "I agree" box and move on. Not got time nor desire to read all the legal waffle on any site.

I read them. Its great fun to post the sections of the TOS and the Code of Conduct when people are like "Well, how could I possibly have know how to react when I saw this bug?!"

Ignorance is not bliss when it comes to breaking the TOS of a video game.

Even if one actually has the time and patience to read through the entire thing to the bottom, how many people are actually going to remember every little thing in that huge document of legal mumbo jumbo? Of course, simple common sense would dictate that taking advantage of what is clearly a bug in the game. to gain some disproportionate and unfair advantage is clearly no good.

Am I the only one who reads the TOS each day before logging into the game?

And also the only one who reads the driving laws manual before getting into the car each day?

OK. Right there I call Shenanigans! Yes, I have read all the Zo$ ToS.. A couple of times.... In 4 years...
All I can say is if you read them EACH day before logging in to game, you need professional help!!
FYI.... If you have never read them or seen how long they are , look here... And read them every day...

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Unless otherwise prohibited by applicable law or regulation, by contributing, providing, posting, uploading or otherwise submitting ZeniMax Owned UGC or creating ZeniMax Owned UGC, You acknowledge and agree that all such ZeniMax Owned UGC is the sole property of ZeniMax and You hereby assign and agree to assign to ZeniMax all such ZeniMax Owned UGC contributed, provided, posted, uploaded or otherwise submitted by You and such assignment will be effective on the date the ZeniMax Owned UGC is created. To the extent that ZeniMax cannot claim exclusive ownership rights in such ZeniMax UGC by operation of law or pursuant to the assignment noted above, and to the fullest extent permitted by law, You hereby expressly grant (or You warrant that the owner of such ZeniMax UGC has expressly granted) to ZeniMax and its licensors, licensees and designees a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, paid-up, non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable (through multiple tiers of sublicensees) right and license to exercise all rights of any kind or nature associated with such ZeniMax UGC in all formats and media, whether existing now or in the future, and You agree not to assert or enforce any moral rights or similar rights You may have which may now or may hereafter be recognized, and all ancillary and subsidiary rights, in any languages and media now known or not currently known.

You further grant each user of the Services a non-exclusive license to access UGC and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such UGC as permitted through the Services, including, but not limited to, Game functionality.

If so required under applicable law, You will enter into any agreement or undertake any action as deemed necessary by ZeniMax to effect the licenses described above in this Section.

IN ALL CASES OF UGC UNDER THIS SECTION 2, EXCEPT AS PROHIBITED BY APPLICABLE LAW AND SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1), ZENIMAX RESERVES THE RIGHT (BUT HAS NO OBLIGATION EXCEPT AS REQUIRED BY LAW) TO REVIEW, REMOVE, BLOCK, EDIT, MOVE OR DISABLE UGC FOR ANY REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE, AND HAS NO LIABILITY OF ANY KIND WITH RESPECT TO UGC, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION WHEN ZENIMAX DETERMINES THAT UGC VIOLATES THESE TERMS OF SERVICE. THE DECISION TO REMOVE UGC OR OTHER CONTENT AT ANY TIME IS IN ZENIMAX'S SOLE AND FINAL DISCRETION. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, ZENIMAX DOES NOT ASSUME ANY RESPONSIBILITY OR LIABILITY FOR UGC OR FOR ITS REMOVAL OR FOR ANY FAILURE TO OR DELAY IN REMOVING, UGC OR OTHER CONTENT.

Downloadable Content, Achievements, and Other Virtual Items

Content also includes Content that is downloaded or downloadable from any website under ZeniMax's control ("Downloadable Content"), provided that the term Downloadable Content does not include Game Mods (as defined below). Downloadable Content includes, but is not limited to, licensed rights granted, awarded, and/or provided to You to access and/or use online or off-line elements or features of certain Services as well as Game updates, unlockable Content, digital and/or virtual assets, rights of use tied to unlock keys or codes, serial codes and/or online authentication of any kind, in-game achievements, video trailers, Game screenshots, and/or Game-related wallpapers. Downloadable Content also includes Virtual Currency, and Virtual Currency is subject to additional terms and restrictions specific to Virtual Currency as set forth below in Section 2(E), which additional terms and restrictions supersede any inconsistent terms and restrictions applicable to Downloadable Content generally. Downloadable Content may be free, redeemable, and/or purchased, and ZeniMax reserves the right to change the price of Downloadable Content at any time, without notice. Downloadable Content may only be held in Accounts belonging to legal residents of countries where access to and use of the Services and Downloadable Content are permitted. Except as granted in a Game's EULA, ZeniMax hereby grants to You a limited, non-exclusive, personal, non-transferable license to use, view and display Downloadable Content that You have properly downloaded.

Once You have redeemed Downloadable Content, that Content is not returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Content or for cash, other goods or services unless approved by ZeniMax or required by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1); for example, if ZeniMax downloaded the wrong Content to You, You may be entitled to a refund. Unless otherwise specified by ZeniMax in writing and unless otherwise prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), Downloadable Content may expire upon the earlier of (a) the closure of an Account, or (b) the later of one hundred and eighty (180) days past (i) the most recent Account login by You or (ii) the end of Your subscription or membership for the applicable Service if such subscription or membership is not renewed.

You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game. Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the "real world" will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account.

You acknowledge and agree that all virtual items represent a limited license right for Your personal, private, non-commercial, non-transferable, and limited use governed by these Terms of Service and are not redeemable for any sum of money or monetary value from ZeniMax at any time. ZeniMax reserves the right to refuse Your request(s) to acquire Downloadable Content, and reserves the right to limit or block any request to acquire Downloadable Content for any or no reason.

Game Mods

Content also includes Game Mods. The term "Game Mod" means downloadable, user-generated Content developed or created by You or a third party using an Editor Tool (as defined below). In certain cases, as determined by ZeniMax, Game Mods may be made available to other users of a Service or a Game and in such cases, such other users may download the Game Mods from ZeniMax or third parties and use such Game Mods in connection with playing a Game or receiving a Service from ZeniMax.

If You desire to develop or create one or more Game Mods, then You will be required to download from a ZeniMax website or otherwise gain access to via a ZeniMax website one or more software tools through which You may create or develop Game Mods (each such tool is an "Editor Tool"). To obtain a copy of or get access to any such Editor Tool, You will be required to agree to the terms of a separate EULA (the "Editor EULA"). If there is a conflict between the terms and conditions in any such Editor EULA and the terms and conditions in these Terms of Service, the terms in the Editor EULA will control over the conflicting terms in these Terms of Service but solely for purpose of the specific Editor Tool and not for any other purpose. Please review the terms in the Editor EULA carefully.

With respect to Game Mods made available for download from a ZeniMax website or made available from a ZeniMax server, ZeniMax may, at any time and in its sole discretion, elect to remove such Game Mods from the ZeniMax website(s) or server(s) without notice to You.

Each Game Mod is owned by the developer of the Game Mod, subject to the licenses granted by the developer to ZeniMax as set forth in the Editor EULA.

ZeniMax may, but is not required under this Agreement to, validate, test, evaluate or pre-screen Game Mods.

ZeniMax does not endorse, sponsor, guaranty or approve any Game Mods, including without limitation Game Mods available for download from a ZeniMax website.

Your experience with any particular Game Mod may vary from other users' experiences.

IF YOU ELECT TO INSTALL, DOWNLOAD OR USE ANY GAME MODS, YOU DO SO AT YOUR OWN RISK.

EXCEPT AS PROHIBITED BY APPLICABLE LAW AND SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1), ZENIMAX RESERVES THE RIGHT (BUT HAS NO OBLIGATION EXCEPT AS REQUIRED BY LAW) TO OFFER, MAKE AVAILABLE, REVIEW, REMOVE, BLOCK, EDIT, MOVE OR DISABLE GAME MODS FOR ANY REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE, AND HAS NO LIABILITY OF ANY KIND WITH RESPECT TO GAME MODS, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION WHEN ZENIMAX DETERMINES THAT A GAME MOD VIOLATES THESE TERMS OF SERVICE, THE EDITOR EULA. THE DECISION TO REMOVE A GAME MOD AT ANY TIME IS IN ZENIMAX'S SOLE AND FINAL DISCRETION.

TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, ZENIMAX DOES NOT ASSUME ANY RESPONSIBILITY OR LIABILITY FOR GAME MODS OR FOR THE REMOVAL OF ANY GAME MODS FOR ANY FAILURE TO OR DELAY IN REMOVING, ANY GAME MOD.

Virtual Currency

The Services may make use of one or more virtual currencies, either within a single Service, such as a Game, or for use across multiple Services ("Virtual Currency"). The following terms govern the use of Virtual Currency in connection with the ZeniMax Services. Additional Virtual Currency-related terms may be contained in the EULA for a particular Game and, where there is a conflict between such terms and this Section 2(E), the Virtual Currency-related terms in the EULA shall govern.

Virtual Currency may be obtained in one or more ways depending on the type of Virtual Currency and the Service or Services associated with that Virtual Currency, including without limitation Virtual Currency that may be obtained through purchase with real currency, in-Game actions or achievements, as a part of membership benefits, or otherwise. ZeniMax may, from time to time and in its sole discretion, grant Virtual Currency to Users of one or more Services as a gesture of goodwill or in connection with promotions, memberships, competitions, or sweepstakes organized by ZeniMax. All Virtual Currency that is purchased with real currency, either alone or together with other Services or access to Services (including without limitation payment for memberships), shall be referred to as "Purchased Virtual Currency." All Virtual Currency that is not Purchased Virtual Currency shall be referred to as "Complimentary Virtual Currency."

Regardless of the method by which You obtain a Virtual Currency and subject only to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), it has no value in real currency, and is not transferable to any other person, or returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for real currency, goods, or services. By purchasing or otherwise obtaining Virtual Currency, you acknowledge and agree that all Virtual Currencies represent a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable license for Your personal, private, non-commercial use of ZeniMax Services governed by these Terms of Service. Because it is a license, Virtual Currency is not property in which You have any ownership right, title, or other interest. Any Virtual Currency balance shown in Your Account does not constitute a real currency balance or reflect any monetary value.

ZeniMax reserves the right to change the price for any Purchased Virtual Currency or to bundle Purchased Virtual Currency in any amount with other Services or access to other Services at any time and without providing notice to You. You will have no right to a refund as a result of any change in the price or bundling at which Purchase Virtual Currency can be obtained, subject only to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1). In the case of Complimentary Virtual Currency, ZeniMax reserves the right to change or limit the amount of Complimentary Virtual Currency granted as part of any ongoing or continuous promotion, to discontinue any promotion or to bundle Complimentary Virtual Currency in any amount with other Services or access to other Services at any time and without providing notice to You.

Virtual Currency is not transferable to, or redeemable for, any sum of real currency or monetary value from ZeniMax or any other person at any time. ZeniMax prohibits, and does not recognize any purported, transfers, sales, gifts, or trades of Virtual Currency. Virtual Currency will only be used by You to obtain virtual goods within a Game (e.g., durable goods that become part of Your inventory in the Game and consumable or single use items that are used and expire after use within the Game) or other Downloadable Content, through one or more Services, as determined by ZeniMax in its sole discretion. You agree not to sell or transfer, or assist others in selling or transferring Virtual Currencies or any amounts thereof. Evidence of any attempt to use, sell or transfer Virtual Currency in any manner that violates these Terms of Service may result in revocation, termination, or cancellation of the Virtual Currency and/or Your use of the Services without refund and/or immediate suspension or termination of Your Account.

3. LIMITED LICENSE TO USE
Subject to the terms in these Terms of Service and Your compliance with all of the terms and conditions in these Terms of Service, ZeniMax grants to You, for Your personal and private use only, a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable license to use Services (including any Content which is made available by ZeniMax (including but not limited to Game Mods that You download from a ZeniMax website) as a part of a Service and then solely in connection with such Service) as set forth in these Terms of Service.

You may not (a) distribute, publicly perform or display, sell, transmit, publish, edit, reproduce, sublicense, rent, lease, loan or otherwise transfer any Game, Software, and/or Content, including without limitation any access keys; (b) modify, adapt, reverse engineer or decompile the Software, or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the Software; (c) create any derivative works based upon any Services; (d) otherwise use any Services except as expressly provided in these Terms of Service; (e) copy or download any Software or Content unless the Content is a Game Mod available for download from a ZeniMax website or is Downloadable Content (other than Virtual Currency) or You are otherwise expressly authorized to do so in writing by ZeniMax; and/or (f) remove, obscure, or alter copyright, patent, trademark, or other proprietary rights notices affixed to any Services. Any commercial use is prohibited absent written permission by an authorized representative of ZeniMax.

ZeniMax actively enforces its intellectual property rights to the fullest extent of the law. If You are found to engage or facilitate the engagement of infringing and/or illegal activity, including, but not limited to, making unauthorized copies and/or distributing Services, ZeniMax may in its sole discretion restrict, suspend, or terminate Your Account or Your access to some or any Services, and/or pursue further legal action against You. Please note that these activities may constitute civil wrongs and/or criminal offenses and ZeniMax reserves the right to take such action as appropriate in the circumstances. You agree to reimburse ZeniMax for any liabilities, damages, losses, costs and expenses incurred by or suffered by ZeniMax arising from or related to any attempted or actual unauthorized or illegal conduct by You, or through the use of Your Account as more particularly described in Section 13.

ZeniMax reserves title to the Services and all rights to any Services not specifically granted under these Terms of Service, including without limitation all rights of reproduction, modification, distribution, display, disassembly and decompilation and all copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret, and other proprietary rights and interests. Your use of Services is subject to the intellectual property rights of ZeniMax and except for the express licenses granted in the first paragraph of this Section 3, ZeniMax does not grant You any licenses or rights to patents or other intellectual property. Content, Software and Games are licensed, not sold, to You.

All Services and all intellectual property rights in the Services are owned by ZeniMax or its licensors and are protected by United States, other jurisdictions, and international copyright, trade dress, patent, and trademark laws, international conventions, and other laws protecting intellectual property and related proprietary rights.

With the exception of the first paragraph of this Section 3, this Section 3 shall survive the termination of these Terms of Service.

ZeniMax may, in its discretion, make available to You one or more application programming interfaces and associated documentation (each an "API") to allow You to create, download, enable, use, or associate Content (excluding Game Mods), that modifies or otherwise provides enhanced features to the user interface ("Add-ons") for a Game. The API and Add-ons are Software for purposes of these Terms of Service and are subject to these Terms of Service and the Supplemental Terms applicable to the API and the Add-Ons. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in these Terms of Service, if the Supplemental Terms for an API or Add-on directly conflict with specific terms and conditions in these Terms of Service or any other Supplemental Terms, the Supplemental Terms for an API or Add-on will control, but solely for purpose of the specific API and Add-on and not for any other purpose.

4. BETA TESTS
In its sole discretion, ZeniMax may contact You to review and evaluate, or playtest, one or more Games, aspects of Games, or online features prior to commercial release for the purpose of identifying program errors and obtaining feedback. You will be asked to provide to ZeniMax certain feedback and suggestions regarding Your evaluation of the Game(s) or feature(s). Your participation is subject to these Terms of Service and other applicable Supplemental Terms, such as a beta testing agreement and a non-disclosure agreement.

By accepting our invitation and playtesting the Game and/or features, You also agree that to the extent permitted by law: (i) playing an unreleased Game is at Your own risk and You understand that the Game and/or Game features may include known or unknown bugs, (ii) any value or status indicators that You achieve through any playtest may be erased at any time, including, but not limited to, upon commercial release; and (iii) ZeniMax has no obligation to make these Games or features available, or available without charge or to fix errors or bugs identified by You.

Beta Test accounts are non-transferable under any circumstances.

5. PAID SERVICES
Some Services require payment of a fee. You must have an Account and pay the applicable fees to participate in those Services. For information about subscription fees, membership fees and other fees for particular Services, visit Your particular Service's product page or Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com.

FEES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND, EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW AND SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1), ARE NOT REFUNDABLE IN WHOLE OR IN PART.

ZeniMax reserves the right to change the fees or billing methods at any time upon notice to You through Your Account. If You pay a periodic (e.g., monthly) subscription or membership fee for a Service, ZeniMax will provide You with at least thirty (30) days advance notice of any such changes. Your continued use of the Service thirty (30) days or more after ZeniMax provides such notice of the changes means that You accept such changes. If any change is unacceptable to You, You may cancel Your subscription or membership at any time with such termination being effective at the end of the then-current subscription or membership period for which You previously paid, but ZeniMax will not refund any fees or prorate fees for any subscription or membership except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1).

If Your use of the Services is subject to applicable governmental charges (including but not limited to sales tax, value added tax (VAT), goods and service tax (GST) or other taxes), then You must pay for those charges. Your total price may include such governmental charges or such governmental charges may be separately identified from Your Paid Service(s) fees as shown during the payment process. Failure to invoice You for any such charges does not relieve You of the liability to pay such charges.

As the Account holder, You are responsible for all charges incurred on Your Account, including, but not limited to, applicable taxes, and all purchases made by You or anyone that uses Your Account, including, but not limited to, Your family or friends.

Payment Options for Your Services.

Subscribers/Members in North America, South America, or Asia (including Australia and New Zealand but excluding India). If You reside in North America, South America, or Asia (including Australia and New Zealand but excluding India) and purchase Services from ZeniMax, then You must pay fees using the payment methods made available by ZeniMax for the particular Service (the "Payment Methods") and You agree to the terms and conditions applicable to each Payment Method You choose. Payment Methods may vary by Service and the terms of Your subscription or membership will be in Your Account details. When You provide credit card or other Payment Method information to Bethesda, You represent to Bethesda that You are the authorized user of the credit card or other Payment Method. You must provide current, complete, and accurate information for Your billing account. You must promptly update all information to keep Your billing account current, complete, and accurate (such as a change in billing address, credit card number, or credit card expiration date), and You must promptly notify Bethesda if Your credit card or other Payment Method is canceled (for example, for loss, theft, or expiration). Changes to Your Payment Method information can be made by contacting Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com.

Some Payment Methods require or permit you to choose automatic renewal of Your subscription or membership. In such cases, You are agreeing to permit Bethesda to automatically charge Your credit card, bank card, debit card or other Payment Method associated with Your Account for an automatic renewal of Your current subscription or membership preferences to the applicable Service. You may cancel Your subscription or membership at any time with the termination being effective at the end of the then-current subscription or membership period by revising Your selection in Your Accounts page, or contacting Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com. In order to sign up for automatic renewal, You must keep a valid credit card number or other Payment Method number or information associated with Your Account. Your subscription and membership will automatically renew on the expiration date of the then-current subscription or membership term that You previously subscribed to or were a member of, at a fee no greater than Bethesda's then-current price at the time of renewal, excluding any promotional and discount pricing, unless You cancel Your subscription or membership. To the extent permitted by applicable law, if You have subscribed or registered for or requested an automatic subscription or membership renewal, You agree that Bethesda may charge you or may continue charging You on an automatic recurring basis for Your current subscription or membership preferences unless You cancel Your subscription or membership at least thirty (30) days prior to the expiration of the subscription or membership. If You have subscribed for an automatic subscription or membership renewal but do not have a valid credit card and/or other valid Payment Method information on file and Your subscription or membership expires, You will not be able to receive the benefits associated with the subscription (e.g., resume Game play or any paid Services usage) or membership benefits without updating Your Payment Method information. Bethesda reserves the right to utilize third party credit card updating services to obtain current expiration dates on credit cards provided by You to Bethesda. Customers who use a third party Payment Method may incur additional payment processing fees charged by such third party to its customers, and may not be able to automatically renew subscriptions or memberships.

All Other Subscribers/Members of All Territories Not Specified Above. If You reside outside North America, South America, or Asia (including Australia and New Zealand but excluding India) and purchase Services from ZeniMax, then You must pay fees using the payment methods made available by ZeniMax for the particular Service (the "Payment Methods"), and You agree to the terms and conditions applicable to each Payment Method You choose. Payment Methods may vary by Service and the terms of Your subscription or membership will be in Your Account details. When You provide credit card or other Payment Method information to ZEL, You represent to ZEL that You are the authorized user of the credit card or other Payment Method. You must provide current, complete, and accurate information for Your billing account. You must promptly update all information to keep Your billing account current, complete, and accurate (such as a change in billing address, credit card number, or credit card expiration date), and You must promptly notify ZEL if Your credit card or other Payment Method is canceled (for example, for loss, theft, or expiration). Changes to Your Payment Method information can be made by contacting Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com.

You may choose automatic renewal of Your subscription or membership. If You choose this option, You have agreed to permit ZEL to automatically charge Your credit card or other Payment Method associated with Your Account for an automatic renewal of Your current subscription or membership preferences to the applicable Service. You may cancel Your subscription or membership at any time with the termination being effective at the end of the then-current subscription or membership period by revising Your selection in Your Accounts page, or contacting Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com. In order to sign up for automatic renewal, You must keep a valid credit card number or other Payment Method number or information associated with Your Account. Your subscription or membership will automatically renew on the expiration date of the then-current subscription or membership term You previously subscribed to at a fee no greater than ZEL's then-current price at the time of renewal, excluding any promotional and discount pricing, unless You cancel Your subscription or membership. If You have subscribed for or requested an automatic subscription or membership renewal, You agree that ZEL may continue charging You on an automatic recurring basis for Your current subscription or membership preferences unless You cancel Your subscription or membership at least thirty (30) days prior to the expiration of the subscription or membership. If You have subscribed for or requested an automatic subscription or membership renewal but do not have a valid credit card and/or other valid Payment Method information on file and Your subscription or membership expires, You will not be able to receive the benefits of the subscription (e.g., resume Game play or any paid Services usage) or membership without updating Your Payment Method information. ZEL reserves the right to utilize third party credit card updating services to obtain current expiration dates on credit cards provided by You to ZEL. Customers who use a third party Payment Method may incur additional payment processing fees charged by such third party to its customers, and may not be able to automatically renew subscriptions or memberships.

Digital and In-Game Merchandise and Merchandise Purchases.

In addition to the above, the following terms apply to pricing of and payment for any digital goods and in-game consumables ("booster packs", digital goods outside of any Game (such as a wallpaper, or a character outfit), and digital downloads of other products) (collectively, "Merchandise"). Unless otherwise noted, any Merchandise You purchase is immediately downloaded and will be applied to Your Account or Game(s) upon purchase. The prices for Merchandise displayed for such items are subject to change at any time without notice.

Early Game(s) Access/Trial Subscriptions.

For some Services, ZeniMax may offer You early access to a Game and/or a trial subscription or membership. Such Services may require You to sign up for an Account and/or a subscription or membership under the terms described above. If You accept a free trial subscription or membership for a Game that requires a subscription, and the trial period expires, You will not be able receive the benefits of the subscription (e.g., to resume Game play or any paid Services usage) or membership without updating Your information and/or purchasing the paid subscription or membership Services. ZeniMax is under no obligation to notify You in advance of the free trial subscription or membership expiring and You will be responsible for all charges incurred. Trial subscriptions and memberships are not transferable.

6. AVAILABILITY OF SERVICES AND CONTENT; GAME MAINTENANCE, PATCHES, UPDATES; TERMINATION OF SERVICES

ZeniMax does not guarantee that any Services will be available at all times, in all countries and/or all geographic locations, at any given time, or that ZeniMax will continue to offer any particular Services for any particular length of time. Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), ZeniMax reserves the right to change and update Content without notice to You. ZeniMax also reserves the right to refuse Your request(s) to acquire Content, and to limit or block any request to acquire Content, including, but not limited to, Downloadable Content and Game Mods, for any reason.

ZeniMax may patch, update, or modify a Service at any time with or without notice to You. Notwithstanding the foregoing, ZeniMax has no obligation to make available any patches, updates or modifications or correct any errors or defects in the Services. ZeniMax makes no guarantees about the persistence or availability of any user names or other personas at any time and assumes no liability for lost or deleted Account data. Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), You agree that ZeniMax will not be liable for any interruption of the Services, delay or failure to perform, any loss of Content (including, but not limited to, UGC, Game Mods and Downloadable Content), and/or Account data (including, but not limited to, Character data) resulting from any causes whatsoever. ZeniMax reserves the right to offer new Services, change and/or discontinue certain Services at any time in its sole discretion.

Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), ZeniMax may restrict, suspend, or terminate Your access to some or any Services at any time. Should ZeniMax make a material change to the Services, it will provide You notice within the time period specified when You joined the particular Service, or if no time period for notice of material changes was specified, then within thirty (30) days of the date such notice is either (at ZeniMax's discretion) provided to You via email or is posted on the applicable product or ZeniMax Service or on Your "My Account" section.

In response to a violation of these Terms of Service, ZeniMax may issue You a warning, suspend or restrict certain features of Your Account (including, but not limited to, user names), selectively modify or remove or revoke Downloadable Content at an Account and/or device level, immediately terminate any and all Accounts that You have established and/or temporarily or permanently ban Your Account, device, and/or machine from accessing all or certain Services.

ZeniMax may terminate Your access to and/or use of the Services (i) for violating these Terms of Service, (ii) if ZeniMax, in its sole discretion, deems that Your information is untrue, inaccurate, not complete or incomplete; (iii) if Your use of such Services infringes on or is suspected of infringing on another's rights or any intellectual property; (iv) if You or Your Account reflects inappropriate Content and/or violates these Terms of Service. Any and all Content (including, but not limited to, Software, Content, and Downloadable Content) will be considered forfeit immediately in the event of any cancellation, closure, or termination of Your Account by ZeniMax.

If ZeniMax terminates an Account, it may terminate other Accounts that share the same characteristics, such as the name on the Account, email address, mailing address, Internet Protocol address, or credit card number or other Payment Method. ZeniMax reserves the right to use any means necessary and permitted under applicable law to identify and terminate Accounts.

You acknowledge that in such circumstances, ZeniMax is not required to provide You notice before taking action to restrict, suspend or terminate Your access to or use of Services, and/or Your Account. If ZeniMax terminates Your Account, You may not use any Service again without ZeniMax's express written permission. ZeniMax reserves the right to refuse to keep Accounts for, and provide Services to, any individual. You may not allow individuals whose Accounts have been terminated by ZeniMax to use Your Account.

If Your Account, or a particular subscription or membership for a Service associated with Your Account, is terminated or suspended and/or if any Downloadable Content is selectively removed, revoked or garnished from Your Account and/or if Your device is temporarily or permanently banned from accessing some or all of the Services, no refund will be granted, no Downloadable Content will be credited to You or converted to cash or other forms of reimbursement, and You will have no further access to Your Account or Downloadable Content associated with Your Account or the particular Service except where any action has been taken against Your Account or device in error and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1). If You believe that any action has been taken against Your Account or device in error, please contact Customer Services at support.bethsoft.com.

7. YOUR RIGHT TO CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT

You have the right to cancel Your Account or a particular subscription or membership to a Service at any time. Additional cancellation terms in respect of a particular subscription or membership may be specified when You subscribe, in Your Account information, or in notices for subscription or membership renewals. Generally, when You cancel a subscription or membership the cancellation will be effective at the end of Your then-current subscription or membership period.

Contact ZeniMax's Customer Service at support.bethsoft.com to cancel Your Account or any subscription or membership to a Service.

ZeniMax reserves the right to collect fees, applicable governmental charges (including sales tax, value added tax (VAT), goods and service tax (GST) and other taxes), or costs incurred before You cancel Your Account or a subscription or membership to a Service. You are also responsible for any amounts owed to third-party vendors or Content providers before Your cancellation. Any delinquent or unpaid fees and other unresolved issues must be settled before You establish a new Account.

8. RULES OF CONDUCT

Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), ZeniMax has the right, in its sole discretion, to modify, restrict, suspend, or terminate Your access to the Services. As noted above, this could result because (i) Your information is untrue, inaccurate, not complete or incomplete; (ii) Your activities infringe on or are suspected to infringe on another's rights or any intellectual property; (iii) ZeniMax in its sole discretion determined that You or Your Account reflects inappropriate Content; or (iv) You or activities taken under or with Your Account violate these Terms of Service. Other Supplemental Terms pertaining to Your Service and/or Game, such as a Code of Conduct, provide guidance on behavior that ZeniMax deems to be inappropriate and specify restrictions on Your Account, Your use of the Game, or Your participation in the Services.

You agree not to use any Service to:

Take any action or upload, post, transmit, promote, or distribute any illegal Content, including, but not limited to, any UGC or any Game Mods;

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AlienatedGoat · February 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Again, if you just came across the exploit and didn't abuse it, you have nothing to fear. Let ZOS do their job. Trust the process. It's worked for you so far, as you are still playing the game and haven't been banned for any of the numerous other exploits that have been discovered.

Nowhere in those communications did @ZOS_GinaBruno say how they would be auditing, what the definition of "exploiting" was, and how it would be "handled". Just because they said its on a "case-by-case" basis isn't reason enough to believe that everything is going to be fair and impartial.

You're making quite a big leap here by saying that there's nothing to fear. There's far too many questions, and frankly I've seen how ZOS has handled things in the past 4 years. There's lots of things to be worried about.

Worrying isn't going to do anyone any good.

Neither will giving people false comfort.

I'd much rather that anyone concerned about how ZOS handles this voice those concerns now. Not after the fact.

Feanor · February 2018

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

I doubt even she could bring the servers back from the dead.

MrsPink · February 2018

A roll back would also mean that everyone would lose anything they had gained during the time the servers were up. That would have meant a lot of good loot lost for many players. All achivements done would be lost, anyone gained emp in cyro would lose their title, that awesome Maelstrom run would be gone etc. The complaining would be endless.

They cant do a rollback for just parts of the game, a roll back is basically going back to an earlier save file.

However - they should maybe hire some (more) test engineers and test managers. They are obviously not going through enough test cases, or not testing with the right data.