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ZOS, you have a funny idea regarding the definition of "exploit"

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What we had with the XP thing was a bug, plain and simple. Don't try to call it an exploit.

My wife complains that I never listen to her. (Or something like that.)
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  • Sigtric
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    Taking advantage of a bug for the purposes of gaining something is the definition of an exploit. lol



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  • DieAlteHexe
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    gard wrote: »
    What we had with the XP thing was a bug, plain and simple. Don't try to call it an exploit.

    And, apparently, some folk decided to exploit that bug.


    Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake
  • Artemiisia
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    its a bug when u choose to report it, but becomes an exploit if u stay to actually do it

    specifically when its a game changer
  • SolidusPrime
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    I think it's pretty obvious that you yourself made this topic literally not knowing the definition of "exploit".
    Edited by SolidusPrime on February 12, 2018 9:00PM
  • OtarTheMad
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Taking advantage of a bug for the purposes of gaining something is the definition of an exploit. lol


    ^ 1,000 times this.

    Taking advantage of a bug for personal gain is an exploit. It's in TOS.
  • Zipadeedoodah
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    Varanis summed it all up nicely in a different thread...
    VaranisArano wrote: »
    Sigh. Time to pull out the TOS again.

    "8. RULES OF CONDUCT
    You agree not to use any Service to:
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    Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;"


    So was this a glitch/problem caused by ZOS?

    Yes.

    Does that in any way change the responsibility of players to report that glitch/problem and to cease to use it once discovered?

    Nope. You sign the TOS, you agree to not exploit the game and to report glitches and exploits when you find them. If you don't report the exploits/glitches that you find and instead continue to benefit from them, you get to deal with whatever consequences ZOS dishes out (as in the recent situation with trials players cheesing the boss fight in Asylum Sanctorium, where these exact excuses were used, to no avail.).
  • gard
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    OtarTheMad wrote: »
    Sigtric wrote: »
    Taking advantage of a bug for the purposes of gaining something is the definition of an exploit. lol


    ^ 1,000 times this.

    Taking advantage of a bug for personal gain is an exploit. It's in TOS.

    By killing a mob? LOL ok.
    I guess this is Elder Scrolls Online, where we just RP killing things.
    My wife complains that I never listen to her. (Or something like that.)
    -- I'm a one man smurf zerg!

    My ESO addons:
    Midnight - Find out when midnight is so that you can check for ww/vamp spawn.
    Goto - Adds a tab to the map pane allowing you to teleport to a friend, guildmate, or groupmate for free.
  • DieAlteHexe
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    gard wrote: »
    OtarTheMad wrote: »
    Sigtric wrote: »
    Taking advantage of a bug for the purposes of gaining something is the definition of an exploit. lol


    ^ 1,000 times this.

    Taking advantage of a bug for personal gain is an exploit. It's in TOS.

    By killing a mob? LOL ok.
    I guess this is Elder Scrolls Online, where we just RP killing things.

    Would you like a musical accompaniment to go with that tap-dancing? ;)

    When you get (I think it was ) 1.9 MILLION xp points, yeah, that's definitely not WAI/WAD.
    Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake
  • Wreuntzylla
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    The definition of exploit in ESO is whatever ZoS says is an exploit. Several times since early release, something I thought was clearly an exploit was either intended, or wasn't intended but is staying in the game.

    Having said that, I don't know the magnitude of the bug. If people were gaining a level every kill, that's pretty hard to say was intended, even if you never read the patch notes.

    I don't tend to read the patch notes and have no clue what people get from leveling new toons. Normally, I'd point to skyreach....

    No, I wasn't in IC, I was here, playing the forums.

  • Wildberryjack
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    You are the second person who exploited to make a thread crying about how it's not an exploit. Worried about your account are you?
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  • VaranisArano
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    It was a bug, yeah.

    Q: What do you do with a bug you know the game developers didn't intend?
    A: You report it and don't continue to take advantage of said bug. That's what the TOS you agreed to says to do.

    Q: What if I don't report it and I continue to take advantage of said bug because the developers screwed up?
    A: Well, that'd be breaking the TOS you signed when you started to play the game. I guess you need to hope ZOS is feeling merciful.

    Q: But what if I was just playing the game?!?!?!
    A: And when you were just playing the game and noticed that there was a glitch that was clearly not intended, did you report it and cease doing the thing that caused the glitch?

    Zipadeedoodah wrote: »
    Varanis summed it all up nicely in a different thread...

    Thanks! I'd actually just popped in here to write that, but you beat me to it! :smiley:

  • nathan_bri
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    gard wrote: »
    What we had with the XP thing was a bug, plain and simple. Don't try to call it an exploit.

    Found the exploiter.
  • Moloch1514
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    ZOS needs to L2P or hire new Devs (glad they are at least hiring QA but that will prob be for Crown items).
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  • Orticia
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    gard wrote: »
    OtarTheMad wrote: »
    Sigtric wrote: »
    Taking advantage of a bug for the purposes of gaining something is the definition of an exploit. lol


    ^ 1,000 times this.

    Taking advantage of a bug for personal gain is an exploit. It's in TOS.

    By killing a mob? LOL ok.
    I guess this is Elder Scrolls Online, where we just RP killing things.

    Killling a few mobs and noticing your xp bar filling ridiculously fast (this much stands out, so it is hard not to notice fast hat it is not normal) is no exploit. Keep killing mobs over and over for the obviously out of whack xp is.
    Edited by Orticia on February 12, 2018 9:14PM
  • xaraan
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    The exploit is on the part of the player taking advantage of the bug.
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  • Juju_beans
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    gard wrote: »
    What we had with the XP thing was a bug, plain and simple. Don't try to call it an exploit.

    An exploit is using a bug to your advantage instead of reporting it and moving on.

  • gard
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    DjinnRa wrote: »
    You are the second person who exploited to make a thread crying about how it's not an exploit. Worried about your account are you?

    What makes you think that? Do I need to be an exploiter to point out where the blame belongs?

    My wife complains that I never listen to her. (Or something like that.)
    -- I'm a one man smurf zerg!

    My ESO addons:
    Midnight - Find out when midnight is so that you can check for ww/vamp spawn.
    Goto - Adds a tab to the map pane allowing you to teleport to a friend, guildmate, or groupmate for free.
  • DieAlteHexe
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    gard wrote: »
    DjinnRa wrote: »
    You are the second person who exploited to make a thread crying about how it's not an exploit. Worried about your account are you?

    What makes you think that? Do I need to be an exploiter to point out where the blame belongs?

    The blame needs to be split.

    Part goes to ZMax for the bug and part goes to those who EXPLOIT the bug.

    Fair's fair.
    Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake
  • Ackwalan
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    To OP, how many levels did you get?
  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Taking advantage of a bug for the purposes of gaining something is the definition of an exploit. lol

    Animation canceling was a bug initially. Awful lot of exploiters using that.


    So its ok to use a bug if ZOS decided not to fix it and it becomes a feature? But if ZOS decides to fix it, then you are a dirty exploiter.
    Therefore, the definition of exploit depends on the competency of ZOS's QA department? Talos save us all.
    Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on February 12, 2018 9:19PM
  • Unfadingsilence
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    gard wrote: »
    DjinnRa wrote: »
    You are the second person who exploited to make a thread crying about how it's not an exploit. Worried about your account are you?

    What makes you think that? Do I need to be an exploiter to point out where the blame belongs?

    A bug is a bug, but no longer a bug when a player choose to exploit something broken in the game.... BAN THEM ALL!!
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    Obviously I've been lucky to be an EU player and to have close to zero server uptime today, because honestly, I would NOT have noticed.
    All the characters I play are fully leveled, I have over a thousand CP, and all my skills are maxed out.
    So no, if I had started farming Tel Var in IC (which I had actually planned to do because of the 4xTelVar influencing the motif drop rates sounds fun to me) i definitely would NOT have noticed because I stopped caring about XP a loooong time ago.

    I don't want to make excuses for people but ... it's very possible to not notice at all.
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  • DeadlyRecluse
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    It's not an exploit.

    It's just taking advantage of unintended behavior in a way that dramatically benefits the user...
    Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub
  • Unfadingsilence
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    DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
    It's not an exploit.

    It's just taking advantage of unintended behavior in a way that dramatically benefits the user...

    That's the definition of an exploit in the TOS.....
  • DieAlteHexe
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    DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
    It's not an exploit.

    It's just taking advantage of unintended behavior in a way that dramatically benefits the user...

    It's fascinating watching the mental gymnastics that go on around here...
    Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake
  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
    It's not an exploit.

    It's just taking advantage of unintended behavior in a way that dramatically benefits the user...

    If you have ever benefited from animation canceling in this game, please report your account to ZOS for immediate deletion.
  • DeadlyRecluse
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    Unfadingsilence wrote: »
    DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
    It's not an exploit.

    It's just taking advantage of unintended behavior in a way that dramatically benefits the user...

    That's the definition of an exploit in the TOS.....
    DieAlteHexe wrote: »
    DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
    It's not an exploit.

    It's just taking advantage of unintended behavior in a way that dramatically benefits the user...

    It's fascinating watching the mental gymnastics that go on around here...


    ...that's the joke.
    Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub
  • Unfadingsilence
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    DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
    I
    Unfadingsilence wrote: »
    DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
    It's not an exploit.

    It's just taking advantage of unintended behavior in a way that dramatically benefits the user...

    That's the definition of an exploit in the TOS.....
    DieAlteHexe wrote: »
    DeadlyRecluse wrote: »
    It's not an exploit.

    It's just taking advantage of unintended behavior in a way that dramatically benefits the user...

    It's fascinating watching the mental gymnastics that go on around here...


    ...that's the joke.

    ...... TROLLS WE HAVE TROLLS IN THIS GAME??? lol OK you got me
  • kaithuzar
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    You can't say that "killing mobs" which is an intention of playing the game, is an exploit. IT'S 50% OF THE GAME.
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