Impoverished male Khajiit after three trips to the outfit station (2E 582, Colorized)
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Honestly the gold cost for outfits is completely shameful. You had a dozen ways you could have monetized this system but you chose the one that screws over players the most? Absolutely shameful. Should have just monetized the outfit slots and the motifs instead of trying this "outfit change token" nonsense. Now you're just adding another burden to the players who have up to this point been most engaged in the content. You shouldn't need to go grind gold or pay real-life money every time you want to wear something blue or switch your shoulderpads. Players should be able to enjoy the game and monetization should facilitate that, not add artificial barriers. Get your heads out of your boot.
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✭✭✭✭✭eso plus members should use it for free! at leastEdited by Aliyavana on February 12, 2018 6:58PM36 -
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menschikov2✭✭✭I can't see the probem. You can pay with ingame god an normaly. this commes while you play. The costs are not too high in my opinion and it is an effective way to take some Money out of the game(like Housing). And i think most of the Motives are more expensive then this System.4 -
Nihility42✭✭✭✭Welcome to the general forum. Good luck on your campaign here, I suppose. Though I expect it will be as fruitless as it was in the PTS forum since the gold costs aren't that bad. I appreciate the funny post at any rate.Edited by Nihility42 on February 12, 2018 7:04PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭menschikov2 wrote: »I can't see the probem. You can pay with ingame god an normaly. this commes while you play. The costs are not too high in my opinion and it is an effective way to take some Money out of the game(like Housing). And i think most of the Motives are more expensive then this System.
The game doesn't need more gold sinks. We can measure the need for gold sinks by tracking the price inflation of goods on the guild traders. What we're actually finding is that we're actually seeing deflation for most goods, with a few pockets of stability.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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Honestly the gold cost for outfits is completely shameful. You had a dozen ways you could have monetized this system but you chose the one that screws over players the most? Absolutely shameful. Should have just monetized the outfit slots and the motifs instead of trying this "outfit change token" nonsense. Now you're just adding another burden to the players who have up to this point been most engaged in the content. You shouldn't need to go grind gold or pay real-life money every time you want to wear something blue or switch your shoulderpads. Players should be able to enjoy the game and monetization should facilitate that, not add artificial barriers. Get your heads out of your boot.
You know what is really shameful? Your khajiit showing his chest. Do you have no shame? There are children...somewhere.
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(Khajiiti culture finds it shameful to expose your chest, male or female)PC - NACP 1125
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
Honestly the gold cost for outfits is completely shameful. You had a dozen ways you could have monetized this system but you chose the one that screws over players the most? Absolutely shameful. Should have just monetized the outfit slots and the motifs instead of trying this "outfit change token" nonsense. Now you're just adding another burden to the players who have up to this point been most engaged in the content. You shouldn't need to go grind gold or pay real-life money every time you want to wear something blue or switch your shoulderpads. Players should be able to enjoy the game and monetization should facilitate that, not add artificial barriers. Get your heads out of your boot.
You know what is really shameful? Your khajiit showing his chest. Do you have no shame? There are children...somewhere.
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@SilverIce58
The actual line is that they consider it "indecorous", to which I argue that Khajiit, of all Tamriel's people, know best when to be indecorous. Also that's from the Pocket Guide, which while a very interesting work, the in-game author is a propaganda artist who essentializes cultures to create whatever narrative he likes. In the case of Khajiit, I'd argue he's looking to paint a picture of a backwards, prudish people (which is hilarious if you read anything Khajiit write about themselves) who deserve to be colonized due to racial and cultural weakness (see the lines about drug use and begging for cake).Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭menschikov2 wrote: »I can't see the probem. You can pay with ingame god an normaly. this commes while you play. The costs are not too high in my opinion and it is an effective way to take some Money out of the game(like Housing). And i think most of the Motives are more expensive then this System.
Right, the motifs are more expensive, but in order to use them for the outfit system, you have to first obtain them. So, various outlays of gold to get all the motifs and then you're charged every time you want to use what you already spent gold on to create an outfit.
Some of the motifs do cost a fair bit of gold in the outfit system. I recall some on PTS running you 20K gold (again, this depends on which motif you pick - some can cost only 800 gold or so).
It's really the fact that we're spending a lot of time/effort/gold to obtain motifs only to have to pay again to actually use them in an outfit.
And, it's not about trying to create a gold sink - it's about selling the outfit change tokens. We already have plenty of gold sinks in this game.
That said, I've already consigned myself that this is the way it is, as with other monetization decisions in this update -- if I want the storage coffer only available at level 18, I will have to delete a character I've spent years playing or spend 1500 crowns for an additional character slot.
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✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
Honestly the gold cost for outfits is completely shameful. You had a dozen ways you could have monetized this system but you chose the one that screws over players the most? Absolutely shameful. Should have just monetized the outfit slots and the motifs instead of trying this "outfit change token" nonsense. Now you're just adding another burden to the players who have up to this point been most engaged in the content. You shouldn't need to go grind gold or pay real-life money every time you want to wear something blue or switch your shoulderpads. Players should be able to enjoy the game and monetization should facilitate that, not add artificial barriers. Get your heads out of your boot.
You know what is really shameful? Your khajiit showing his chest. Do you have no shame? There are children...somewhere.
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@SilverIce58
The actual line is that they consider it "indecorous", to which I argue that Khajiit, of all Tamriel's people, know best when to be indecorous. Also that's from the Pocket Guide, which while a very interesting work, the in-game author is a propaganda artist who essentializes cultures to create whatever narrative he likes. In the case of Khajiit, I'd argue he's looking to paint a picture of a backwards, prudish people (which is hilarious if you read anything Khajiit write about themselves) who deserve to be colonized due to racial and cultural weakness (see the lines about drug use and begging for cake).
The uesp lore page on Khajiit states that bipedal khajiit wear a shirt that is tightly fastened in braids down the right side, in order to prevent any part of the torso fur from being seen, as the exposure of such in public is deemed both offensive and unsightly. So while it may not be shameful exactly, it is offensive to other khajiit.PC - NACP 1125
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✭These posts are ridiculous. You grind for EVERYTHING in this game...this is just par for the course...if you really minded the grind, you wouldn't be playing this game...you would be playing something else. I look at it this way: You can now do something that you couldn't do before...for free, regardless of the grind it takes to get there...to me that's a win.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »
Honestly the gold cost for outfits is completely shameful. You had a dozen ways you could have monetized this system but you chose the one that screws over players the most? Absolutely shameful. Should have just monetized the outfit slots and the motifs instead of trying this "outfit change token" nonsense. Now you're just adding another burden to the players who have up to this point been most engaged in the content. You shouldn't need to go grind gold or pay real-life money every time you want to wear something blue or switch your shoulderpads. Players should be able to enjoy the game and monetization should facilitate that, not add artificial barriers. Get your heads out of your boot.
You know what is really shameful? Your khajiit showing his chest. Do you have no shame? There are children...somewhere.
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(Khajiiti culture finds it shameful to expose your chest, male or female)
@SilverIce58
The actual line is that they consider it "indecorous", to which I argue that Khajiit, of all Tamriel's people, know best when to be indecorous. Also that's from the Pocket Guide, which while a very interesting work, the in-game author is a propaganda artist who essentializes cultures to create whatever narrative he likes. In the case of Khajiit, I'd argue he's looking to paint a picture of a backwards, prudish people (which is hilarious if you read anything Khajiit write about themselves) who deserve to be colonized due to racial and cultural weakness (see the lines about drug use and begging for cake).
The uesp lore page on Khajiit states that bipedal khajiit wear a shirt that is tightly fastened in braids down the right side, in order to prevent any part of the torso fur from being seen, as the exposure of such in public is deemed both offensive and unsightly. So while it may not be shameful exactly, it is offensive to other khajiit.
@SilverIce58
The UESP has been editorialized from the original lore source, found here.Their chief attire, the budi, or shirt, is fastened in braids down the right side, not permitting any part of the torso fur to be seen, for such is believed to be highly indecorous.
I love the UESP but as with every TES fan page the meta-articles are prone to wander from the original lore based on individual editor interpretation. I stand by my initial reasoning.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭✭IMO, ZOS continues to expand the boundaries of their greed because players haven't pushed back and continue to buy.
I think what Men'do describes is disgraceful, but so too are $150 player houses and exclusive items that can only be obtained through gambling crates.
Players need to stiffen up and stop buying in order to send a message to ZOS or the value of their offerings will continue to erode.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭IMO, ZOS continues to expand the boundaries of their greed because players haven't pushed back and continue to buy.
I think what Men'do describes is disgraceful, but so too are $150 player houses and exclusive items that can only be obtained through gambling crates.
Players need to stiffen up and stop buying in order to send a message to ZOS or the value of their offerings will continue to erode.
Yeah if this is the direction they're going to take then I'm going to hardline the gold option instead.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
You know what is really shameful? Your khajiit showing his chest. Do you have no shame? There are children...somewhere.
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@SilverIce58
The actual line is that they consider it "indecorous", to which I argue that Khajiit, of all Tamriel's people, know best when to be indecorous. Also that's from the Pocket Guide, which while a very interesting work, the in-game author is a propaganda artist who essentializes cultures to create whatever narrative he likes. In the case of Khajiit, I'd argue he's looking to paint a picture of a backwards, prudish people (which is hilarious if you read anything Khajiit write about themselves) who deserve to be colonized due to racial and cultural weakness (see the lines about drug use and begging for cake).
The way I'd read it it was just 'cover up for formal occasions and events the Khajiit consider significant.' (Source)Being quite devout, Zara was determined to visit the Two-Moons Temple to make an offering. Anxious to see evidence of Khajiiti culture that didn't involve slaughter, I agreed and we made our way to an impressive sanctuary which I was delighted to sketch. Zara donned a ceremonial budi -- or shirt -- fastened with braids down the right side, which does not permit the torso fur to be uncovered, for such is believed to be highly indecorous. She told me she always heads here after a fight to give thanks to Jone, Jode, and Alkosh.
So no shirt no shoes no (church) service. But it does seem to be vague. Maybe we'll get more details if we ever go to Elsweyr?#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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Jamini✭✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »
Honestly the gold cost for outfits is completely shameful. You had a dozen ways you could have monetized this system but you chose the one that screws over players the most? Absolutely shameful. Should have just monetized the outfit slots and the motifs instead of trying this "outfit change token" nonsense. Now you're just adding another burden to the players who have up to this point been most engaged in the content. You shouldn't need to go grind gold or pay real-life money every time you want to wear something blue or switch your shoulderpads. Players should be able to enjoy the game and monetization should facilitate that, not add artificial barriers. Get your heads out of your boot.
You know what is really shameful? Your khajiit showing his chest. Do you have no shame? There are children...somewhere.
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(Khajiiti culture finds it shameful to expose your chest, male or female)
@SilverIce58
The actual line is that they consider it "indecorous", to which I argue that Khajiit, of all Tamriel's people, know best when to be indecorous. Also that's from the Pocket Guide, which while a very interesting work, the in-game author is a propaganda artist who essentializes cultures to create whatever narrative he likes. In the case of Khajiit, I'd argue he's looking to paint a picture of a backwards, prudish people (which is hilarious if you read anything Khajiit write about themselves) who deserve to be colonized due to racial and cultural weakness (see the lines about drug use and begging for cake).
The uesp lore page on Khajiit states that bipedal khajiit wear a shirt that is tightly fastened in braids down the right side, in order to prevent any part of the torso fur from being seen, as the exposure of such in public is deemed both offensive and unsightly. So while it may not be shameful exactly, it is offensive to other khajiit.
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-elsweyr-confederacy
That's from the Pocket Guide to the Empire.
Unfortunately, the author of the pocket guide has many exaggerations, complete misinterpretations, and tons of pro-imperial propaganda mixed in with perceived facts. He's also shown in many cases to be flat-out wrong
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✭✭The only bad thing about the outfit system is that it doesn't also require trait stones. The gold sink is fine.
Go farm mats for 30 minutes, you'll have all the cash you need for your outfit.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The only bad thing about the outfit system is that it doesn't also require trait stones. The gold sink is fine.
Go farm mats for 30 minutes, you'll have all the cash you need for your outfit.
No you won't. If everyone goes and farms mats trying to sell to each other so they can afford costume changes then nobody's going to buy. Your idea only works for a small fraction of players. There are other ways to farm gold, but why have a gold cost at all? None of the other cosmetic systems charge you every time you use it. Why should we have to farm an extra half an hour or however long just to use a system which by all accounts should be free? We already farmed the styles or bought them in the cash shop, this double dipping is foolhardy and customer-unfriendly.
Also you're contradicting yourself. Either it's a gold sink (which we don't need, as the markets are measurably deflating, not inflating) or it's something to farm for. It can't be both.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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To be fair, I think I might see both sides of the issue. Meaning, they wanted to put in a gold sink and disincentivize people from fiddling with their outfits too much (vs. spending crowns on another slot). Problem is, the veterans with millions in the bank won't care, while everyone else will scream and whine...
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✭✭✭✭✭I have found ONE funny thing. you can get all but one outfitter achievement while not paying any extra gold. well.. that is if you have either imperial edition or morag tong converter. since those cost zero gold to change to, you can just keep switching between 2 different hats or something like that, until you got your 100 uses. also works for getting full outfit achievement, just switch back to no outfit, if you don't want your weapons or what not to look like one of the above styles.dirty worthless casual.
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leeux✭✭✭✭✭I won't be using the outfit system myself at all... the gold costs are outrageous.
That means I won't be buying any outfits slots either.
The only use I will have for it is to preview the styles for crafted gear before I craft them
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✭✭✭✭✭I won't be using the outfit system myself at all... the gold costs are outrageous.
That means I won't be buying any outfits slots either.
The only use I will have for it is to preview the styles for crafted gear before I craft them
oh hey - silver lining! I mean on pc at least there is an addon for gear preview, but weapons you still have to look up online and hope that someone actualy took a screenshot of them. but now, everyone can preview everything
dirty worthless casual.
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