still waiting for ranked pvp

Sergykid

we average pvpers, or even beginners, are forced to fight against high and pro players, and end up in Xv1 situations or questioning the game balance.

i suggest campaigns based on your rank. For example, a campaign for up to veteran rank, one from veteran to brigandier, and from brigandier to grand overlord. Currently, both new and low players are forced to fight against the good and pro players. I think it would be more balanced if we could fight players in the same skill level as ours, and fight better people as we progress.

this implies alliance ranks to not be granted by simply AP gains. Some kills/deaths ratio could be tracked in the background. I suggest making Cryodill like 5-10% smaller, for improvement and horse simulator reasons.

CyrusArya

Someone revoke this kid's forums' license.

If you think alliance rank is indicative of skill or performance, you obviously have a lot of learning left to do. "Player skill" is not something you can quantify. And even if it were, the game doesn't have the population to stratify and segregate further. And even if it did, what you're proposing is pretty pathetic. No one got good over night. Every single "pro" or "good player" had to also struggle and develop as unskilled plebs til they could also operate at a higher level. How would anyone ever improve at anything without a challenge? And what makes you such a special snowflake? Sad mentality.

Might I suggest weenie hut jr?

VaranisArano

Didn't I just have this discussion? *Hunts through recent threads*

Yep. Okay, to be fair, its not exactly the same thread as yours, but my opinion remains unchanged in the last 9 days. Thread here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/393959/normal-and-vet-vivec#latest

So I'll repeated the pertinent part of my comment here.

VaranisArano wrote: »

One question. What are you planning to do about experienced PVPers starting new characters?

I've got one character at Praetorian (Rank 34), but I recently started playing in Vivec on my Stam Warden and am working my way back up the ranks as a Lieutenant (Rank 18) right now. Oh, and both characters run with an organized raid in a PVP guild.

Trust me, if you are having issues with fighting high-ranking players in PVP, you want to face my Praetorian MagDK Healer instead of my Lieutenant Stam Warden DPS. Especially with the ability to easily roll extra characters, PVP rank tells you surprisingly little about the skill of the player behind the character.

Beardimus

There already is a pre vet campaign.... Kyne.

Sergykid

oh wow you don't have to be so harsh, i just wanted to fight people equal to my skill, not going Cryodill and never being able to even be competitive.

take WoW's arenas or LoL's ranking system as examples, you don't get to play against people way better than you, only once you become better.

W0lf_z13

the only way you will get better is by playing against players that are more skilled than you IMO ... in the beginning I SUCKED at PvP ... but the more I fought against tougher opponents the more I learned, the more I got better

VaranisArano

Sergykid wrote: »

oh wow you don't have to be so harsh, i just wanted to fight people equal to my skill, not going Cryodill and never being able to even be competitive.

take WoW's arenas or LoL's ranking system as examples, you don't get to play against people way better than you, only once you become better.

Thing is, there's no way to quantify player skill in ESO because PVP rank doesn't equate to skill and moreover, PVP rank is character specific, not account-based. As I said, I've got a rank 34 MagDK Healer who's considerably less dangerous in a 1v1 than my rank 18 stam warden, but with both of those characters together I'v got a year's worth of PVP experience. I was an experienced PVP player the first day I took my stam warden into Cyrodiil as a lowly recruit and that makes a huge difference in how people play.

You can make sure you play with players of the same CP in the No CP campaigns. That way all of you are on the same level playing field with gear and lack of CP, but you can't avoid more experienced players.

You can make sure you play with other characters who are below level 50 in Kyne, but there's going to be experienced PVPers who reroll alts with gold gear and completely wreck everyone. You see this occasionally with low level duelists, even.

In Battlegrounds, there's no way to avoid fighting against pre-made groups, but now they'll be all No CP. A ranking system for Battlegrounds is something a lot of players want, but hasn't been implemented yet.

So ultimately, there's no way to go into PVP and surround yourself people who are just as inexperienced as you are. You will find yourself playing alongside and against players who are more experienced than you are, even in the Below Level 50 campaign.

So how to best use that to your advantage? I found that joining groups worked very well for me. Very quickly, I was able to tell which groups knew what they were doing. Being with a group let me survive longer and experience more of PVP than I could on my own. I really started to grow as a PVP player once I joined a PVP guild. There, I was an inexperienced player, but my guild is good at training inexperienced players to become good players and vital parts of our raid.

Mazbt

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

oh wow you don't have to be so harsh, i just wanted to fight people equal to my skill, not going Cryodill and never being able to even be competitive.

take WoW's arenas or LoL's ranking system as examples, you don't get to play against people way better than you, only once you become better.

Thing is, there's no way to quantify player skill in ESO because PVP rank doesn't equate to skill and moreover, PVP rank is character specific, not account-based. As I said, I've got a rank 34 MagDK Healer who's considerably less dangerous in a 1v1 than my rank 18 stam warden, but with both of those characters together I'v got a year's worth of PVP experience. I was an experienced PVP player the first day I took my stam warden into Cyrodiil as a lowly recruit and that makes a huge difference in how people play.

You can make sure you play with players of the same CP in the No CP campaigns. That way all of you are on the same level playing field with gear and lack of CP, but you can't avoid more experienced players.

You can make sure you play with other characters who are below level 50 in Kyne, but there's going to be experienced PVPers who reroll alts with gold gear and completely wreck everyone. You see this occasionally with low level duelists, even.

In Battlegrounds, there's no way to avoid fighting against pre-made groups, but now they'll be all No CP. A ranking system for Battlegrounds is something a lot of players want, but hasn't been implemented yet.

So ultimately, there's no way to go into PVP and surround yourself people who are just as inexperienced as you are. You will find yourself playing alongside and against players who are more experienced than you are, even in the Below Level 50 campaign.

So how to best use that to your advantage? I found that joining groups worked very well for me. Very quickly, I was able to tell which groups knew what they were doing. Being with a group let me survive longer and experience more of PVP than I could on my own. I really started to grow as a PVP player once I joined a PVP guild. There, I was an inexperienced player, but my guild is good at training inexperienced players to become good players and vital parts of our raid.

Great advice here. Keep tabs on your zone chat and look for guilds that are recruiting or pug groups. Some certain times you may be more lucky than others.

DeadlyRecluse

I would anticipate a very, very long wait.

Drdeath20

Ranked battlegrounds yes, ranked pvp not soo much.

Changes to pvp could be
1. the ability to change alliance after every campaign and
2. once changed you are locked into that alliance account wide for the duration of the campaign.

Sky_WK

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Ranked battlegrounds yes, ranked pvp not soo much.

Changes to pvp could be
1. the ability to change alliance after every campaign and
2. once changed you are locked into that alliance account wide for the duration of the campaign.

As if DC needed more players

VaranisArano

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Ranked battlegrounds yes, ranked pvp not soo much.

Changes to pvp could be
1. the ability to change alliance after every campaign and
2. once changed you are locked into that alliance account wide for the duration of the campaign.

The only good objection I've heard to that is that with there only being one No-CP campaign, causing that one to be faction locked would exclude No-CP players from playing with friends on other factions.

ak_pvp

Rank is basically an indicator of who group sweats it hardest.

VaranisArano

ak_pvp wrote: »

Rank is basically an indicator of who group sweats it hardest.

And who stuck it out with the same character the longest.

Thogard

CyrusArya wrote: »

Someone revoke this kid's forums' license.

If you think alliance rank is indicative of skill or performance, you obviously have a lot of learning left to do. "Player skill" is not something you can quantify. And even if it were, the game doesn't have the population to stratify and segregate further. And even if it did, what you're proposing is pretty pathetic. No one got good over night. Every single "pro" or "good player" had to also struggle and develop as unskilled plebs til they could also operate at a higher level. How would anyone ever improve at anything without a challenge? And what makes you such a special snowflake? Sad mentality.

Might I suggest weenie hut jr?

Are you making fun of weenie hut jr?

You monster.

You clearly do not understand how to play weenie hut jr.

*** scrubs.

disintegr8

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

the only way you will get better is by playing against players that are more skilled than you IMO ... in the beginning I SUCKED at PvP ... but the more I fought against tougher opponents the more I learned, the more I got better

And does a child always learn to swim faster/better by being thrown in the deep end of the pool and told to figure it out?

I have sympathy for the OP, Cyrodiil is a tough classroom. The only consolation is that you don't get armour damage fighting other players - otherwise I'd be broke instead of having millions in gold. You have to treat it like falling off a horse, either you get back up and try again or you quit.

I also doubt there is anything ZOS can, or will, do to change it. There are 'professional' Kyne players who, despite having a lot of experience, prefer to role new toons in Kyne for an easier life.

My bet is that of they created an 'intermediate' campaign, say for sub 160 CP players, there would be a lot of experienced players taking below level 50 characters in there, still cleaning up.

CatchMeTrolling

VaranisArano wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Rank is basically an indicator of who group sweats it hardest.

And who stuck it out with the same character the longest.

AP is so easy to obtain now that I’m surprised there’s veteran players that actually still say things like this.

VaranisArano

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Rank is basically an indicator of who group sweats it hardest.

And who stuck it out with the same character the longest.

AP is so easy to obtain now that I’m surprised there’s veteran players that actually still say things like this.

I've been playing semi-regularly (about 2-3 nights a week, busy campaign, primetime) on my MagDK healer for about a year and made rank 34 Praetorian. I've still got a long way to go and a lot of PVP to play before I make Grand Overlord.

Unfortunately, I've started playing a different PVP toon, my stam warden, so it'll now take me even longer because I've swapped characters and now have less time to play my MagDK.

You see why why I say high alliance rank belongs to those who play PVP on the same character the longest?

CatchMeTrolling

VaranisArano wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Rank is basically an indicator of who group sweats it hardest.

And who stuck it out with the same character the longest.

AP is so easy to obtain now that I’m surprised there’s veteran players that actually still say things like this.

I've been playing semi-regularly (about 2-3 nights a week, busy campaign, primetime) on my MagDK healer for about a year and made rank 34 Praetorian. I've still got a long way to go and a lot of PVP to play before I make Grand Overlord.

Unfortunately, I've started playing a different PVP toon, my stam warden, so it'll now take me even longer because I've swapped characters and now have less time to play my MagDK.

You see why why I say high alliance rank belongs to those who play PVP on the same character the longest?

It’s not about sticking to one character really, it’s more so about actually trying to get ap rather than just pvping normally. There’s people that do nothing but farm ap whenever they step into cyrodiil.

If you only got to 34 in a year it’s most likely because you don’t care about ap (you also only play 2-3 days) and chances are you’re going to rank up slow. Especially if you’re predominantly playing a healer and a non farming group.

Praetorian isn’t that hard to reach within a year, it’s 18mill, it’s people that put up 3+ mill a week cause all they do is farm. Playing casually you could at least put up 1mill (even if it’s just 500k a week you’d be higher than a praetorian) or close, that adds up quickly over a span of a year.

I’ll admit there are people that’s high because they play a lot or stick to one character but that’s not always the case. The game has also been out for years so it’s players with multiple grand overlords simply because they’ve been playing for years and there was two ap events. If this discussion happened in 1.6 or before I’d be more inclined to agree but now ZOS practically hands out ap.