Ap for rank

notyuu

as simple as it sounds, let us spend AP in cryodiil at a particular NPC to increase the rank on our alliance war skill tree

they why? simple, wanna use a stamina build but suck ass at PvP? well tough ***, either suck it up and grind until you hate eso and/or yourself or live with a crippled build

so this suggestion if/when implemented would make it so that the AP you earn from battle grounds and other characters who can actually PvP to save their lives can be used on your characters/builds which are....less than capable shall we say, plus it'd remove a major source of frustration and a moderate chunk of grind.

Zbigb4life

You have my vote, at least we would have something to spend our earned AP on

Slick_007

so you want to earn ap with one character to spend on another characters skills? no way

Beardimus

Absolutely no way. You can bank AP, thus level a Character that's never done PvP content.

The point is to encourage people to expand into the full richness of the game. If you hate combat repair walls or heal and you will hit the meanginfull levels in a matter of hours.

ITs the simplist 'grind' in the game. Just enjoy it - slot a Restro worst case and surf a Zerg.

Asardes

Buying ranks was common in armies of yore, but when they faced professional armies, where enlisted men and officers advanced by merit only, they pretty much got rekt. For example many continental European armies had this system and the officers were selected from among the wealthy and noble, but in Napoleon's Grande Armee people advanced on merit only. In the early 1800s Napoleon systematically routed them and as a result virtually all of them adopted the meritocratic system later on.

Feanor

Vigor is something like 200k AP in total I believe. As Battlegrounds will give 7,000 AP just for being there next update, you’ll need 29 matches to get there (or, open world PvP, around 30 or 40 keep captures where you just follow the faction stack). Seems really hard.

Asardes

Feanor wrote: »

Vigor is something like 200k AP in total I believe. As Battlegrounds will give 7,000 AP just for being there next update, you’ll need 29 matches to get there (or, open world PvP, around 30 or 40 keep captures where you just follow the faction stack). Seems really hard.

In fact Vigor is unlocked at 98K AP, when reaching Assault rank 5. Caltrops is unlocked at Assault rank 6, which is 145K. That can be easily earned in one afternoon. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points

notyuu

Asardes wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Vigor is something like 200k AP in total I believe. As Battlegrounds will give 7,000 AP just for being there next update, you’ll need 29 matches to get there (or, open world PvP, around 30 or 40 keep captures where you just follow the faction stack). Seems really hard.

In fact Vigor is unlocked at 98K AP, when reaching Assault rank 5. Caltrops is unlocked at Assault rank 6, which is 145K. That can be easily earned in one afternoon. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points

if it could be easily earned in one afternoon I wouldn't have been stuck on assault rank 4 on the one character that needs them for the past 3 weeks, earning barely 1K ap per day, between getting instakilled, failing sieges and finding the enemy zerg train no matter where I go...

Luigi_Vampa

notyuu wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Vigor is something like 200k AP in total I believe. As Battlegrounds will give 7,000 AP just for being there next update, you’ll need 29 matches to get there (or, open world PvP, around 30 or 40 keep captures where you just follow the faction stack). Seems really hard.

In fact Vigor is unlocked at 98K AP, when reaching Assault rank 5. Caltrops is unlocked at Assault rank 6, which is 145K. That can be easily earned in one afternoon. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points

if it could be easily earned in one afternoon I wouldn't have been stuck on assault rank 4 on the one character that needs them for the past 3 weeks, earning barely 1K ap per day, between getting instakilled, failing sieges and finding the enemy zerg train no matter where I go...

You can AFK in a keep and earn more than 1k AP a day.

notyuu

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

notyuu wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Vigor is something like 200k AP in total I believe. As Battlegrounds will give 7,000 AP just for being there next update, you’ll need 29 matches to get there (or, open world PvP, around 30 or 40 keep captures where you just follow the faction stack). Seems really hard.

In fact Vigor is unlocked at 98K AP, when reaching Assault rank 5. Caltrops is unlocked at Assault rank 6, which is 145K. That can be easily earned in one afternoon. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points

if it could be easily earned in one afternoon I wouldn't have been stuck on assault rank 4 on the one character that needs them for the past 3 weeks, earning barely 1K ap per day, between getting instakilled, failing sieges and finding the enemy zerg train no matter where I go...

You can AFK in a keep and earn more than 1k AP a day.

implying that any keep that sees action isn't taken within 3 mins becasue your faction is basically non-exsistant within the campign

Kartalin

Maybe try a different campaign then? 100k AP to unlock Vigor is way easier/faster than Undaunted rank 9.
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notyuu

Kartalin wrote: »

Maybe try a different campaign then? 100k AP to unlock Vigor is way easier/faster than Undaunted rank 9.
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I've tried all of them, the result does not change.. as for undanted 9 being easier? uhh...no? i got undautned10 by just firing off pledges trying to get a pictular set

Juhasow

notyuu wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Maybe try a different campaign then? 100k AP to unlock Vigor is way easier/faster than Undaunted rank 9.
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I've tried all of them, the result does not change.. as for undanted 9 being easier? uhh...no? i got undautned10 by just firing off pledges trying to get a pictular set

Maybe just get good and l2p instead of whining ? I remember the times when alliance rank 24 was needed to unlock vigor now it needs rank 6 and people still complaining ? If You're too lazy to follow the zerg or to take objectives like resources around the keeps it's totally on You that You cant lv up alliance war skill lines. It's beyond me that someone can complain about getting 98k AP. It's literally 1 day of lazy PvPing in many ways. I assume You've spended more time on forum then in game actively trying to get AP.

Sanctum74

I'd definitely recommend switching campaigns if your faction has no presence in your current one. Type LFG in chat and I'm sure you will find people willing to help you.

Another option is to back bar a resto staff. Your heals will be terrible as a stam character, but if you use rapid regen your heals will help earn AP and then you can also use it to tag enemies at range. Your not gonna get the kill shot with it, but the more enemies you can tag the better. Using AOE damage abilities will also help you hit more enemies for faster AP gain.

Taking resources is another option and can be done solo. If your squishy then go in the tower first to take out the Mage guard and the guards that follow. Then you can jump down to take out the flag or pull the enemies into the tower if it's too much to handle at once.

Lastly watch the map, if you see a keep flagged by your faction then get there fast for that AP tick.

Kartalin

notyuu wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Maybe try a different campaign then? 100k AP to unlock Vigor is way easier/faster than Undaunted rank 9.
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I've tried all of them, the result does not change.. as for undanted 9 being easier? uhh...no? i got undautned10 by just firing off pledges trying to get a pictular set

My point was it takes a lot more pledges etc to level undaunted up. I was in a group of 6 last night and we got 100k AP in just over two hours.

Also I have 20 million AP collectively on my characters, how many ranks on my alt could I buy with that. Each would be Alliance/Support rank 10 on all 12 characters easily.
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Eirella

No. It's already ridiculously easy to get AP and level the alliance war skill lines.
Leveling the Undaunted skills on the other hand take far too long.

Lady_Scorp72

No, AP skills should be earned like all the others, per character.

I understand you feeling frustrated, but you've been given good advice. I was worried it would take me forever to get level 6, but I've done it on four toons now (2 stam, 1 mag, 1 healer) and it averaged about 10-12 hours of play time in Cyrodiil for each, even when I was dying constantly. That was a lot faster than I'd expected, so I was happy.

In addition to what others have said above, one thing I found helpful was figuring out the campaign(s) and times where my faction was most active, and scheduling my play time around it (guild/group mates can be a great help in figuring this out). A few hours can make a big difference in population/how many groups are running, etc. Doing that, AP added up fast as long as I stayed where the action was (switching campaigns as necessary), no matter what role. Defending/taking keeps and resources, or healing, the key was following the fights. Sometimes I'd get a 9k or more tic just from doing a few minutes of defensive counter-siege, but I always earned it faster by joining a med-large group for a few hours of taking resources.

notyuu

Xandria72 wrote: »

No, AP skills should be earned like all the others, per character.

I understand you feeling frustrated, but you've been given good advice. I was worried it would take me forever to get level 6, but I've done it on four toons now (2 stam, 1 mag, 1 healer) and it averaged about 10-12 hours of play time in Cyrodiil for each, even when I was dying constantly. That was a lot faster than I'd expected, so I was happy.

In addition to what others have said above, one thing I found helpful was figuring out the campaign(s) and times where my faction was most active, and scheduling my play time around it (guild/group mates can be a great help in figuring this out). A few hours can make a big difference in population/how many groups are running, etc. Doing that, AP added up fast as long as I stayed where the action was (switching campaigns as necessary), no matter what role. Defending/taking keeps and resources, or healing, the key was following the fights. Sometimes I'd get a 9k or more tic just from doing a few minutes of defensive counter-siege, but I always earned it faster by joining a med-large group for a few hours of taking resources.

try less "worried about it taking forever" and more "I've been trying every day for almost 6 hours per day for the past three weeks to get alliance war to rank 6, and so far.. rank 4" that is why I want to be able to spend the AP I've got sitting about from messing about in battle ground on ranking up my alliance war skill tree.

Lady_Scorp72

notyuu wrote: »

try less "worried about it taking forever" and more "I've been trying every day for almost 6 hours per day for the past three weeks to get alliance war to rank 6, and so far.. rank 4" that is why I want to be able to spend the AP I've got sitting about from messing about in battle ground on ranking up my alliance war skill tree.

Fair enough. I do understand the frustration though, of feeling forced to do something redundant and then it drags on and on. But, even if a majority of players agreed with you, I don’t see ZOS changing it, and certainly not quickly. I say that because if they did, then they’d have to do the same for other skills people hate re-grinding, i.e., crafting, or finding all the books for the Mages Guild line. I just don't see any of that happening.

So, that's why even though you’ve had bad luck so far, I still think the best option is to keep trying/retrying different strategies based on what works well for some of the other people here.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

jeez its not hard to get vigor, just zerg surf for an hour in vivec.

notyuu

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

jeez its not hard to get vigor, just zerg surf for an hour in vivec.

I already commented on people saying this... if that was the case I wouldn't be making this thread in the first place.

side note, the point of the thread would be to give a purpose to the AP you inevitably have sitting about from battle grounds, I mean i've nearly half a million sitting in my bank from healing in BGs alone...and, not a single use for it

VaranisArano

Advice for people struggling with getting AP. I typically got my AP for skills over several days, playing for several hours a day, but I'm pretty experienced at playing in Cyrodiil.

If you hate Cyrodiil, the AP rewards for Battlegrounds are increasing with the new DLC, so even losing is actually profitable and probably going to be quicker. Especially if you have a slow horse and don't mind getting knocked around in Battlegrounds by pre-made groups, that's probably going to be the quickest way to make AP. Grab your impen gear and fight away!

But if you like Cyrodiil...grab your impen gear and head in to a busy campaign. Seriously, the more people the better. This advice works best on a busy campaign because its hard for an inexperienced player to be effective on your own. Its much easier to find groups of players on busy campaigns and generally speaking, you'll get pretty good AP with a group.

If you are magicka - slot a resto staff, healing springs, and mutagen. Then find a bunch of players and heal them. Yes, you need to zerg. Not only is there safety in numbers, but all those people are there to be healed by you so you can get healing AP.

If you are stamina - grab a bow and slot poison injection. Find a group to run with and tag all the enemies players you can, that way you get AP when they die.

If you have a fast horse - find a group and follow them. If an enemy keep is under attack, you've probably got the speed to get there in time.

If you have a slow horse - find a group and follow them. Slotting Rapid Manuevers helps. If you can't get to keep captures in time, its slower but more certain to wait at keeps you expect to be attacked and help with the defense. Pay attention to zone chat to see which keeps people expect to be attacked.

PoppaVape

notyuu wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Maybe try a different campaign then? 100k AP to unlock Vigor is way easier/faster than Undaunted rank 9.
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I've tried all of them, the result does not change.. as for undanted 9 being easier? uhh...no? i got undautned10 by just firing off pledges trying to get a pictular set

I have brought both of my PVE healers and PVE tanks out to get warhorn. Even playing solo it only takes a few hours per character if you just pay attention to the map.
Undaunted on the other hand is a nightmare to level up on a DPS toon unless you know people to run with you. I have waited over an hour just to get into a pug group just to get a single daily. By your logic I should be able to just queue my tank (Usually <1 minute queue) to level Undaunted on my nightblade?

notyuu

idk

While it would be nice it does seem Zos intended us to spend time the currency AP on actual items and not double dip for progressing through ranks OP suggested. It would essentially be purchasing skill points

So I don’t think it’ll happen.

Potenza

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