What's the deal with "storage chests"??

Twenty0zTsunami

Was this really necessry? I mean there are already droves of furnishing items that should be able to be used as storage. Desks, chests, dressers, cupboards, bureaus buffets etcetc. Why not just allot each of those a small amount of storage space?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that maybe it's just a "dry run" and hopefully more will come in the future.. but frankly someone on the dev team really, truly dropped the ball when they got around to finally implementing what should have been a basic feature to any home.

DoctorESO

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heaven13

If they wanted to make them purchasable to create another voucher/telvar sink (or crown purchase), I''d have been really, really pleased if it had been some kind of upgrade that could be applied to existing models. There could be different varieties of upgrades, like the coffers: some would have 15 slots, or 20, or 60, or whatever.

Buy the upgrade, apply to dresser, get x number of slots in that item.

In this way, the storage would be more immersive and allow for more customization. Not sure how it would work regarding being able to pull from coffer in house a when you're in house b. However, the upgrade way would have allowed slots to be set by house size (as their own) rather than the coffers counting as a collectible and taking up one of the already too-few slots currently given.

Jhalin

My only beef with the storage chests is their appearance. I'd really like to be able to reskin them into some of the standard racial styles to better match the furniture we already have

Twenty0zTsunami

DoctorESO wrote: »

The storage chests function differently than all the existing furniture. Why change the functionality of items people already have and have used as such when you can just create new items?

what functionality? el oh el

M_Volsung

Jhalin wrote: »

My only beef with the storage chests is their appearance. I'd really like to be able to reskin them into some of the standard racial styles to better match the furniture we already have

This is why, when I get any, they're going out into the "workshop" area with all the crates, barrels, and sacks...

I'm not happy about it, but I suppose I have to make it work somehow if I want storage.

Danikat

1) This drastically limits how much we can store. Under the current system the maximum anyone can store in their home is 360 items (and because the chests are duplicated that limit is the same regardless of whether you have 1 free inn room or every house in the game). If they turned existing furniture into containers we could (and some people would) fill every available house with the largest containers and fill all of those with items.

There are 4 free inn rooms (counting the one in Morrowind), 3 apartments, 10 small, 10 medium and 10 large houses and 3 manors available permanently. There's also several crown-store exclusive, limited-time houses but for simplicity I'm not counting those. With ESO+ those hold:
Inn: 30 items
Apartment: 100 items
Small: 200 items
Medium: 400
Large: 600
Manor: 700
For a total of 14,520 containers. If each of those could hold just 10 items you'd be able to store 145,200 items. (And remember this is with ESO+ so you've got the craft bag in addition to this.)

I'm not going to get into the pros and cons of limiting how much players can store in a multi-player game, but the end result is ZOS has chosen to limit what we can hold onto and this is the only way they can do that whilst allowing us home storage.

2) It's crown-store exclusive, apart from the one freebie box you get as a level-up reward. Whereas using existing items would be free (or only cost gold). So that means more profits for ZOS. Again there's pros and cons to this (con: we have to pay, pro: hopefully that money goes towards further game development) and different people will have different views on whether it's a good idea or not, but it's the decision ZOS made.

3) In a way this system will be more convenient. Because the chests work like the bank - they have the same contents no matter which house you're in when you view them - it's a lot harder to lose items. As someone who has to make (and update) lists of what I'm keeping in each house (and where in the house it is) for Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim I consider this a definite plus point, even though it limits the total storage. They couldn't do that with normal furnishings unless you were forced to duplicate them in every house you own before you could put items inside.

radiostar

It's Z's solution to needing more storage for bound items, and it's accessible across all your homes that you place them in within the limits. You can maybe put on in the free room too.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Was this really necessry? I mean there are already droves of furnishing items that should be able to be used as storage. Desks, chests, dressers, cupboards, bureaus buffets etcetc. Why not just allot each of those a small amount of storage space?

Because ZOS. Because they will never just give us a cookie. They have to make us beg for the cookie. Grind for the cookie. Be limited to only 5 cookies, 10 for subscribers. You can only have certain cookie types. You can have chocolate chip or sugar cookie, but if you want white chocolate macadamia nut, well you just cant have that. The server cant handle it. It's was everyones favorite cookie in polling and everyone asked for it on the PTS but no, No ETA on the White chocolate. Maybe in a year, maybe tomorrow. And when it does come, there will be something wrong with it.

So the answer to your question, is why doesn't ZOS do something in a logical and rational way. Why aren't all hearths cookfires? Because of the ZOS five commandments

Control
Restrict
Delay
Tease and promise
Deliver something different.

firedrgn

Im going to fill one with golden skulls

Twenty0zTsunami

Danikat wrote: »

but the end result is ZOS has chosen to limit what we can hold onto and this is the only way they can do that whilst allowing us home storage.

Wholley unacceptable. Guess ill have to speak with my wallet, drop my sub and go find a new game to play. Oh well, the more I play the game the more irritated I get by the short-sightedness of the team.

Twenty0zTsunami

For a total of 14,520 containers. If each of those could hold just 10 items you'd be able to store 145,200 items. (And remember this is with ESO+ so you've got the craft bag in addition to this.)

You're implying that no system aside from the one currently being implemented could have restrictions/limitations placed upon it. 11000% fallacious

Taleof2Cities

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

but the end result is ZOS has chosen to limit what we can hold onto and this is the only way they can do that whilst allowing us home storage.

Wholley unacceptable. Guess ill have to speak with my wallet, drop my sub and go find a new game to play. Oh well, the more I play the game the more irritated I get by the short-sightedness of the team.

Or you could look at it as a glass half-full ... meaning it is a new feature that you previously couldn't get at all.

Most players don't have their bank space, bag space, and mount capacity maxed anyway.

Yet they're still finding something to whine about when it comes to housing storage.

Valkysas154

100% agree it's why i wont be using any of them in my house way to ocd on my themed houses

Waffennacht

It's not crown store exclusive, you can use TVs or Vouchers

DoctorESO

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kargen27

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Was this really necessry? I mean there are already droves of furnishing items that should be able to be used as storage. Desks, chests, dressers, cupboards, bureaus buffets etcetc. Why not just allot each of those a small amount of storage space?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that maybe it's just a "dry run" and hopefully more will come in the future.. but frankly someone on the dev team really, truly dropped the ball when they got around to finally implementing what should have been a basic feature to any home.

If they did this they would need to implement a way so that everything you put in your desk took up one of your furniture spots so people don't just have a mansion filled with desks for storage. That means they would have to change how the game sees both furniture and non furniture items. Even if they didn't count the stored items as furniture they would still have to change how a lot of furniture in the game works.

I'm still hoping for a mannequin that can hold one armor set and weapon racks for displaying weapons. Would like to see mannequins that can hold armor we can wear and mannequins that would hold armor that was display only.

Twenty0zTsunami

Waffennacht wrote: »

It's not crown store exclusive, you can use TVs or Vouchers

right so they implemented into into a system that guarantees it's going to cost dozens if not hundreds of thousands per item. and distinctly on purpose to drive up $$ sales from casual players : ]

Waffennacht

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

It's not crown store exclusive, you can use TVs or Vouchers

right so they implemented into into a system that guarantees it's going to cost dozens if not hundreds of thousands per item. and distinctly on purpose to drive up $$ sales from casual players : ]

I dunno, took me about 4-8 (something like that) hours to make 200k TVs and about a week ish to get that many vouchers (nothing purchased just doing dailies)

I mean, it's not like you can just up and get all of them in a day, but isn't it suppose to be a goal thing? Sure you can get all em now if you spend cash, but someone like me likes the idea of taking a while and earning them.

Twenty0zTsunami

Waffennacht wrote: »

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

It's not crown store exclusive, you can use TVs or Vouchers

right so they implemented into into a system that guarantees it's going to cost dozens if not hundreds of thousands per item. and distinctly on purpose to drive up $$ sales from casual players : ]

I dunno, took me about 4-8 (something like that) hours to make 200k TVs and about a week ish to get that many vouchers (nothing purchased just doing dailies)

I mean, it's not like you can just up and get all of them in a day, but isn't it suppose to be a goal thing? Sure you can get all em now if you spend cash, but someone like me likes the idea of taking a while and earning them.

ah yes the awesome goal of obtaining storage space in the 4 million GP manor that's already filled with dressers, desks, chests and beaureaus.

Get that nonsense out of here, it's basic *** stuff that they're touting as a new awesome feature that we should spend hours on the treadmile chasing the carrot for.

Acrolas

It's a starting point where ZOS can analyze how many of the eight were obtained, by which means, and by how many accounts.

Doesn't guarantee the system will continue past those eight, but at least with the controlled methods of obtaining them (leveling, crowns, vouchers, or tel var; all bound) those eight stay consistent whether you start collecting them in a few weeks or a few years.

kargen27

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

It's not crown store exclusive, you can use TVs or Vouchers

right so they implemented into into a system that guarantees it's going to cost dozens if not hundreds of thousands per item. and distinctly on purpose to drive up $$ sales from casual players : ]

Casual players probably do not need the extra storage?

DieAlteHexe

kargen27 wrote: »

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

It's not crown store exclusive, you can use TVs or Vouchers

right so they implemented into into a system that guarantees it's going to cost dozens if not hundreds of thousands per item. and distinctly on purpose to drive up $$ sales from casual players : ]

Casual players probably do not need the extra storage?

Wrong-o!

I'm about as casual as it can get and I do a ton of crafting for my chars and my guild. Also, I'm, by nature, a packrat.

mrdiamond666

Glad its a thing, cuz 5 items in a dresser, 7 in a chest, i dont want to look in 50 items of storage to get what i need. Bring it on, got enough crowns and gold to get these storage...

idk

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Was this really necessry? I mean there are already droves of furnishing items that should be able to be used as storage. Desks, chests, dressers, cupboards, bureaus buffets etcetc. Why not just allot each of those a small amount of storage space?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that maybe it's just a "dry run" and hopefully more will come in the future.. but frankly someone on the dev team really, truly dropped the ball when they got around to finally implementing what should have been a basic feature to any home.

If you felt entitled to free storage just because you happen to have a desk somewhere then clearly that is not, nor really would be, what would be implemented.

Yes, I know some had extreme ideas that regular furniture would would be turned into storage and we would end up with unlimited storage, but that had always been unlikely.

The new system seems to be a pretty good idea though of course it could be tweaked after considering actual feedback, vs rants and rages 3 different means to acquire them is also good. That is not to mentioned a free one we can obtain.

Beyond that, It is not clear what you wanted since the OP is merely a rant. If you have an actual idea I suggest posting it in the PTS forms, sans the rant.

EDIT: it seems OP is complaining about anyone who posts anything he seems to disagree with. When we create a thread we are asking for players to respond and we should expect some to disagree. Badgering them about it generally does not go well.

idk

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Was this really necessry? I mean there are already droves of furnishing items that should be able to be used as storage. Desks, chests, dressers, cupboards, bureaus buffets etcetc. Why not just allot each of those a small amount of storage space?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that maybe it's just a "dry run" and hopefully more will come in the future.. but frankly someone on the dev team really, truly dropped the ball when they got around to finally implementing what should have been a basic feature to any home.

If you felt entitled to free storage just because you happen to have a desk somewhere then clearly that is not, nor really would be, what would be implemented.

Yes, I know some had extreme ideas that regular furniture would would be turned into storage and we would end up with unlimited storage, but that had always been unlikely.

The new system seems to be a pretty good idea though of course it could be tweaked after considering actual feedback, vs rants and rages 3 different means to acquire them is also good. That is not to mentioned a free one we can obtain.

Beyond that, It is not clear what you wanted since the OP is merely a rant. If you have an actual idea I suggest posting it in the PTS forms, sans the rant.

EDIT: it seems OP is complaining about anyone who posts anything he seems to disagree with. When we create a thread we are asking for players to respond and we should expect some to disagree. Badgering them about it generally does not go well.

if you think I'm "entitled" and my opinions are 'extreme' because I feel that that desks and other items that are literally put in hosues for storage, should act as storage? Then I would say you don't understand the meaning of either of these words and you're just throwing them around because you're a simpleton who does little else but regurgitate buzzwords. Also I'd wager that maybe you're yet another shill, or at best a blind fanboy. You know one can enjoy and be a fan of something and at the same time be critical of it, yeah? Try again, junior.

I certainly understand what you are saying and that you included chests in the mix seems to add clarity.

1. even if they used what we already had available we would still have to pay the same cost to make them storage.
2. for the current system they are collectables so we can place the same chest in any home we have. It would not be a simple task to change an existing desk or chest, etc., to a collectable

So, if you are not feeling entitled that an existing item should automatically become a storage item then the answer is above as to why it is not. If you have any questions please ask.

Lysette

Low storage is anyway just an issue for as long as one does not subscribe - the crafting bag creates so much space in bank and personal bags, that this is no longer an issue anymore.

AlnilamE

So what do you suggest OP?

That each piece of furniture be allotted a specific amount of slots? Say 2 for night stand, 5 for a dresser, 6 for a wardrobe and so on?

Would we have to check each one individually to see where we stored something?

As someone else pointed out, the storage boxes will be collectibles and will work across houses. I'm actually quite excited about this, as this will make moving things around and having quick access to excess furniture really easy.

To grant the same functionality to the existing furniture, they would have to make them collectibles as well, which would
1) Make the collections tab HUGE.
2) Kill the furniture crafting market since you'd only really need 1 or each item.

So what is your counter-proposal? How would this work across houses?

AndyTGD

Because they want to sell you more storage for 2500 Crowns in the cash shop (or make it possible, but extremely difficult to procure in-game, because cash shop). No surprises here at all.

Gorgoneus

Because crown store content? Just imagine how many vouchers it will be costs to force people use their crowns.

Slurg

Well, a lot of people were calling for additional storage to be sold for crowns. Many of them wanted a limited item craft bag. They get chests instead.

At least you can also buy them with other types of in-game currency.