Shimmering shield must go

rafaelcsmaia

Talk about counter play, as a ranged build, what am I supposed to do against a magden spamming this crap? I cant deal damage, he gets massive ult and never dies, at least it should cost a lot more

ajaxtheboss

I agree. At the very least, this skill should get the streak treatment (50% additional cost if cast again within 4 seconds). That way they can't just endlessly shut down ranged builds

Koolio

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

I agree. At the very least, this skill should get the streak treatment (50% additional cost if cast again within 4 seconds). That way they can't just endlessly shut down ranged builds

You mean like MDK already do?

NyassaV

*cough cough* pay to win *cough*

Edziu

Koolio wrote: »

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

I agree. At the very least, this skill should get the streak treatment (50% additional cost if cast again within 4 seconds). That way they can't just endlessly shut down ranged builds

You mean like MDK already do?

like mdk reflect is atlest much more expensive and dont work against beam-like skills and ofc dont work against warden cliff racer
and at all reflect can be consumed on just weak light attacks which are almost always with normal skill..so per single reflect you will mostly reflect skill only 2 times because light attack will hit with it with skills

Im not sure because I dont tryhard on mdk and dont have warden because morrowind...but I just see and can tell warden have sustain and this skill is cheap in compare to dk wing while dk sustain maybe also can be but cost off reflect...just ugh, dk cant spam reflect to much, he will use it max few times and after this will use it only sometimes when he see incoming heavy damage range skill strategically while warden just spam their shield whenever this will expire

Minno

Hollery wrote: »

*cough cough* pay to win *cough*

Wait for summerset to come out. Warden massive nerf incoming lol.

Subversus

Edziu wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

I agree. At the very least, this skill should get the streak treatment (50% additional cost if cast again within 4 seconds). That way they can't just endlessly shut down ranged builds

You mean like MDK already do?

like mdk reflect is atlest much more expensive and dont work against beam-like skills and ofc dont work against warden cliff

Stopped reading there. In a 1v1 wings are not too expensive, you can keep 100% uptime with no problem.

Minno

Subversus wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

I agree. At the very least, this skill should get the streak treatment (50% additional cost if cast again within 4 seconds). That way they can't just endlessly shut down ranged builds

You mean like MDK already do?

like mdk reflect is atlest much more expensive and dont work against beam-like skills and ofc dont work against warden cliff

Stopped reading there. In a 1v1 wings are not too expensive, you can keep 100% uptime with no problem.

At least wings don't absorb eclipse lol.

BohnT

Subversus wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

I agree. At the very least, this skill should get the streak treatment (50% additional cost if cast again within 4 seconds). That way they can't just endlessly shut down ranged builds

You mean like MDK already do?

like mdk reflect is atlest much more expensive and dont work against beam-like skills and ofc dont work against warden cliff

Stopped reading there. In a 1v1 wings are not too expensive, you can keep 100% uptime with no problem.

Shimmering is still 4x cheaper, gives you insane ult and negates more skills

Ragnarock41

Subversus wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

I agree. At the very least, this skill should get the streak treatment (50% additional cost if cast again within 4 seconds). That way they can't just endlessly shut down ranged builds

You mean like MDK already do?

like mdk reflect is atlest much more expensive and dont work against beam-like skills and ofc dont work against warden cliff

Stopped reading there. In a 1v1 wings are not too expensive, you can keep 100% uptime with no problem.

meanwhile stamden can effectively use shimmering shields, while stamDK can at max, cast it 2 times and sacrifice their major mending+stam return in the process.

Tryxus

Remove the Magicka return, increase the cost. Problem solved

Lynx7386

And here's an example of another tanking skill that'll get nerfed because you tryhards cry too much about pvp balance.

Ragnarock41

Lynx7386 wrote: »

And here's an example of another tanking skill that'll get nerfed because you tryhards cry too much about pvp balance.

And you carebears claiming tanks are gonna die since 2014, out with your ''muh pve tank'' bs please.

BlazingDynamo

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

And here's an example of another tanking skill that'll get nerfed because you tryhards cry too much about pvp balance.

And you carebears claiming tanks are gonna die since 2014, out with your ''muh pve tank'' bs please.

Nope he's right. L2P bud. Every class has it's advantages and disadvantages. Don't like that there's diverse skills and abilities in ESO then go play something else and don't kill the game for the rest.

SoLooney

always something ppl cry about in pvp thats op and then negatively affects pve

change it to minor heroism or something.... geez...

DKsUnite

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

And here's an example of another tanking skill that'll get nerfed because you tryhards cry too much about pvp balance.

And you carebears claiming tanks are gonna die since 2014, out with your ''muh pve tank'' bs please.

Nope he's right. L2P bud. Every class has it's advantages and disadvantages. Don't like that there's diverse skills and abilities in ESO then go play something else and don't kill the game for the rest.

It's really not L2P. The skill is overtuned. It's basically free to cast and provides ranged immunity and gives major heroism... it 1.5 mDK all over again....

Ragnarock41

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

And here's an example of another tanking skill that'll get nerfed because you tryhards cry too much about pvp balance.

And you carebears claiming tanks are gonna die since 2014, out with your ''muh pve tank'' bs please.

Nope he's right. L2P bud. Every class has it's advantages and disadvantages. Don't like that there's diverse skills and abilities in ESO then go play something else and don't kill the game for the rest.

I am guessing L2P on this time used as ''learn 2 pay''
as there is just no advantages a stamDK has over stamden.

Now stamDK is already the underdog for top tier play so lets skip that.

but stamden goes beyond stealing sDK's identity and outperforms everything in PvP, I mean, literally everything. Its the best PvP class, hands down,as fast as a stamsorc, has sustain like pre-morrowind stamDk,has aoe burst that makes stamplars cry in a corner.

And guess what? me and all those people are gonna complain about it because we don't even have %10 of that ''diversity''. which is actually not diversity but just power creep.

I both learned to pay, and then learned to play the stamden. I came up to the conclusion that wardens are OP in PvP, disgustingly.

Vapirko

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

And here's an example of another tanking skill that'll get nerfed because you tryhards cry too much about pvp balance.

And you carebears claiming tanks are gonna die since 2014, out with your ''muh pve tank'' bs please.

Nope he's right. L2P bud. Every class has it's advantages and disadvantages. Don't like that there's diverse skills and abilities in ESO then go play something else and don't kill the game for the rest.

I am guessing L2P on this time used as ''learn 2 pay''
as there is just no advantages a stamDK has over stamden.

Now stamDK is already the underdog for top tier play so lets skip that.

but stamden goes beyond stealing sDK's identity and outperforms everything in PvP, I mean, literally everything. Its the best PvP class, hands down.

I both learned to pay, and then learned to play the stamden. I came up to the conclusion that wardens are OP in PvP, disgustingly.

I remember saying stam wardens we’re going to be what stam DKs should have been prior to Morrowinds release, that ZOS was gonna abandon DKs for wardens. lmfao. Everyone laugh and said that they were completely different and DKs would still be good.

Ragnarock41

Vapirko wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

And here's an example of another tanking skill that'll get nerfed because you tryhards cry too much about pvp balance.

And you carebears claiming tanks are gonna die since 2014, out with your ''muh pve tank'' bs please.

Nope he's right. L2P bud. Every class has it's advantages and disadvantages. Don't like that there's diverse skills and abilities in ESO then go play something else and don't kill the game for the rest.

I am guessing L2P on this time used as ''learn 2 pay''
as there is just no advantages a stamDK has over stamden.

Now stamDK is already the underdog for top tier play so lets skip that.

but stamden goes beyond stealing sDK's identity and outperforms everything in PvP, I mean, literally everything. Its the best PvP class, hands down.

I both learned to pay, and then learned to play the stamden. I came up to the conclusion that wardens are OP in PvP, disgustingly.

I remember saying stam wardens we’re going to be what stam DKs should have been prior to Morrowinds release, that ZOS was gonna abandon DKs for wardens. lmfao. Everyone laugh and said that they were completely different and DKs would still be good.

Pre-morrowind I loved this game, and honestly was okay with the nerfs till I saw stamden, at that moment I realized its not a sacrifice for overall balance, but Its a cash grab, they just want me to pay for the new class. Screw that,

morrowind was my awakening, I will no longer blindly trust any company, and especially zenimax.

Minalan

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

And here's an example of another tanking skill that'll get nerfed because you tryhards cry too much about pvp balance.

And you carebears claiming tanks are gonna die since 2014, out with your ''muh pve tank'' bs please.

Nope he's right. L2P bud. Every class has it's advantages and disadvantages. Don't like that there's diverse skills and abilities in ESO then go play something else and don't kill the game for the rest.

I am guessing L2P on this time used as ''learn 2 pay''
as there is just no advantages a stamDK has over stamden.

Now stamDK is already the underdog for top tier play so lets skip that.

but stamden goes beyond stealing sDK's identity and outperforms everything in PvP, I mean, literally everything. Its the best PvP class, hands down,as fast as a stamsorc, has sustain like pre-morrowind stamDk,has aoe burst that makes stamplars cry in a corner.

And guess what? me and all those people are gonna complain about it because we don't even have %10 of that ''diversity''. which is actually not diversity but just power creep.

I both learned to pay, and then learned to play the stamden. I came up to the conclusion that wardens are OP in PvP, disgustingly.

Learn to Pay.

Sorry, that one made my night.

Anhedonie

L2P

ak_pvp

Koolio wrote: »

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

I agree. At the very least, this skill should get the streak treatment (50% additional cost if cast again within 4 seconds). That way they can't just endlessly shut down ranged builds

You mean like MDK already do?

You know, 4 projectiles, which if against 2 ranged players goes down in literally 1 sec. (Attack+weave x2) Or doesn't include ranged skills that aren't projectiles. (So curse, fury etc are fine, sorcs can ignore it often.) and of the projectiles it doesn't include meteor, birds, pulse, NB shade, bow ult, and the chains projectile. Not to mention it takes status effects from projectiles.

Real good use of 4k mag. Very near useless unless 1v1 magblade. All this whilst the ranged build can actually damage the DK, whilst the DK can do no other offense, not even ranged foss.

Rohamad_Ali

You pvpers always trying to ruin pve with yoir nerfs ! No one cares about pvp ! PvE is the bread winner here .

Maura_Neysa

Edziu wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

ajaxtheboss wrote: »

I agree. At the very least, this skill should get the streak treatment (50% additional cost if cast again within 4 seconds). That way they can't just endlessly shut down ranged builds

You mean like MDK already do?

like mdk reflect is atlest much more expensive and dont work against beam-like skills and ofc dont work against warden cliff racer
and at all reflect can be consumed on just weak light attacks which are almost always with normal skill..so per single reflect you will mostly reflect skill only 2 times because light attack will hit with it with skills

Im not sure because I dont tryhard on mdk and dont have warden because morrowind...but I just see and can tell warden have sustain and this skill is cheap in compare to dk wing while dk sustain maybe also can be but cost off reflect...just ugh, dk cant spam reflect to much, he will use it max few times and after this will use it only sometimes when he see incoming heavy damage range skill strategically while warden just spam their shield whenever this will expire

Reflect increases the damage on return making people back off, Shimmering doesnt.
Shimmering is used up by light attacks too.
Harness Magicka cost twice as much and gives twice as much magic back and defends against all damage. Its a way better skill than Shimmering
Scales cost 1000 more (2500) if you count the mag return, reflect 4 projectiles instead of 3, and have no damage cap (that I know of)
The only place where Shimmering might be off is the ease a Stamden has in running them

Dracane

You can't even compare reflective scales and shimmering shield. Shimmering is much cheaper, can turn into a free cast when you absorb 3 projectiles. Gives major heroism, which is TOTALLY stupid and clearly pay to win. No sane person would ever implement an ability like this.

Also, wings can be penetrated by unreflectable things like force shock and cliffracers. But shimmering shield absorbs them still (and yes, I am 100% certain now that it does. No denying anymore) This ability should be completely replaced or reworked. We don't need even more counter play to projectiles, which already are in a poor state since forever. Do something at least. Remove the cost refund, replace it with minor heroism or reduce the duration to 3 seconds and make it absorb more projectiles as a compensation.

it's like 6 seconds immortality against almost all ranged classes. Because a good player will avoid using any projectiles against shimmering shield to avoid the heroism proc. And you can cast it infinitely.

SodanTok

Eh, make it much more expensive, but also return much more magicka. Replace or completely remove Major Heroism and it is fine imo. If its super expensive it will quickly get unsustainable if you are playing against smart opponent, but if the return makes up for it, it wont kill the skill in 1vX.

Also no need to bring up wings in any of these threads. Good skill, even if too good, have no reason to be brought down to the bad skills. Make up own thread with wings buffs suggestion. Obviously it will be ignored, but so will this thread...

Millz

Correct me if im wrong but i believe you still take damage just mitigated

callen4492

It doesn't prevent you from being stunned like other skills that reflect projectiles. I think if they weaken shimmering shield, they should give it a cast time or shorten the time the shield is up

callen4492

Also, I think that reflective scales and defensive posture should just be made stronger. Seeing people who play mag sorc come on the forums and crying about a reflect/absorb that actually works while they have HUGE damage shields and big ranged burst combos makes me laugh

Minalan

Simple question:

Why isn’t the shimmering shield damage cap subject to battle spirit?

Seems that would mostly fix the issue entirely to me. It can absorb 3 projectiles OR 10K or so in damage after battle spirit. That means it can eat a light attack and a frag, but maybe not the follow up.

ToRelax

Minalan wrote: »

Simple question:

Why isn’t the shimmering shield damage cap subject to battle spirit?

Seems that would mostly fix the issue entirely to me. It can absorb 3 projectiles OR 10K or so in damage after battle spirit. That means it can eat a light attack and a frag, but maybe not the follow up.

I thought the damage cap was per projectile.