Who is in the wrong here? Toxic duo couple pledge

Aliyavana

I made the mistake of quing up for a pledge and got a duo couple who were fine at first. at the last boss I ask why we are pulling levers as its the pledge for today at darkshade caverns 2, and then I ask to wipe and refuse to accept rez and then things escalate and then its pretty much at a stalemate with them refusing to do hardmode and ask my friend to kick me or they wont move. they say that they do not want to waste time and
could be there all day and insist that I am in the wrong. at the end me and my friend had to slot in self heals and we completed it in hm

Now keep in mind these two players were above cp cap and could easily have just taken an extra two minutes to help me on my hm for my keys but proceded to call me vulgar names and extrended the dungeon by 52 minutes when taking time to do hm would only take 5 minutes... conversation is time stamped thanks to an addon for proof it took 52 extra mins.

Proof of them being capped and able to help but refused...



yet were willing to make me and my friend wait 52 mins and we eventually had to clear in a duo with them out of the fight and they thanked us for carrying them...

experiences like this is why I like to avoid the random dungeon group finder and make a premade group...

greylox

Funny thing is, HM is easier than pulling the levers if you keep at the right distance.

CyborgPlatypus

If you didn't say you wanted to do hm at the beginning then you guys are.

Feanor

Avoiding HM on Darkshade II is so funny as it’s not hard by any meaning. Gotta do nothing special. Just spamming Healing Springs through the poison phase will get the job done. If you take care of the dwemer adds when they spawn the fight takes 5 minutes max. Hilarious.

Wrubius_Coronaria

They were a bit to dramatic it seems in my opinion. I don't understand why they refused to restart immediatly the boss fight instead of wasting time for 50 minutes more just because you forget to ask for hard more before. And if they had accepted quickly, everything would have been finished in 10 minutes.

Aliyavana

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

If you didn't say you wanted to do hm at the beginning then you guys are.

We group wiped twice and both times I asked to do hard mode... it's pledge day as well and both are capable max capped players that could have easily done hm in 5 mins, both the tank and the healer were focused on the levers instead of easily killing the boss on non hm. They didn't say they wanted to do non hm either

aaisoaho

Why'd you run a pledge on vet if you're not going for 2 keys? I think OP is right on this one - at least they should try the HM a couple of times before deciding not to do the HM.

Morgul667

They dont sound nice

CyborgPlatypus

aliyavana wrote: »

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

If you didn't say you wanted to do hm at the beginning then you guys are.

We group wiped twice and both times I asked to do hard mode...

But still. If you didn't ask at the beginning. Whether it's easy or not. Whether you asked later or not, that's on you. You should have left if you didn't want to it without hm.

Turelus

I think both sides were a bit too stubborn.

It might have been better to ask politely to do hardmode before the fight started, and "why do you pull levers" then refusing to res might have just come off abrupt and rubbed them the wrong way.

Aliyavana

Turelus wrote: »

I think both sides were a bit too stubborn.

It might have been better to ask politely to do hardmode before the fight started, and "why do you pull levers" then refusing to res might have just come off abrupt and rubbed them the wrong way.

Maybe my tone was off with that phrase, we can't convey emotion through text sadly but at least I didn't escalate with name calling and such as calling people the "khajiit" word like they did.

Illurian

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

If you didn't say you wanted to do hm at the beginning then you guys are.

We group wiped twice and both times I asked to do hard mode...

But still. If you didn't ask at the beginning. Whether it's easy or not. Whether you asked later or not, that's on you. You should have left if you didn't want to it without hm.

The inverse can be said for them. They could have stated specifically that they didn't want to do HM at the start.

Your argument revolves around what is presumed as the norm, and frankly speaking, there isn't a presumed norm. Anecdotally, the few times I've PUG'ed pledges have always been wordless automatic HM runs.

Aliyavana

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

If you didn't say you wanted to do hm at the beginning then you guys are.

We group wiped twice and both times I asked to do hard mode...

But still. If you didn't ask at the beginning. Whether it's easy or not. Whether you asked later or not, that's on you. You should have left if you didn't want to it without hm.

Eh, the group did fine and the dps healing and tanking were good, it's common understanding between players that hm would go well, it's not like the dungeon is hard like rom

Aliyavana

Illurian wrote: »

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

If you didn't say you wanted to do hm at the beginning then you guys are.

We group wiped twice and both times I asked to do hard mode...

But still. If you didn't ask at the beginning. Whether it's easy or not. Whether you asked later or not, that's on you. You should have left if you didn't want to it without hm.

The inverse can be said for them. They could have stated specifically that they didn't want to do HM at the start.

Your argument revolves around what is presumed as the norm, and frankly speaking, there isn't a presumed norm. Anecdotally, the few times I've PUG'ed pledges have always been wordless automatic HM runs.

This so much! How often do you need to convey that we should/shouldn't run hm outside dlc dungeons especially when all 4 players are speeding through the dungeon with good tanking, healing, and dpsing.

Unfadingsilence

It's OK I went into a PUG que tonight for darkshade II as well on my dps, and the healer was a 690 CP running 2h and bow and the tank was a well known player on Xbox NA and he was DPS and a low lvl DPS as well. so 4 DPS and all the healer/DPS did was heavy attack and wreaking blow nothing much really so I thought might as well put on a resto and heal on the last boss. ALL other players got killed by standing under then engine Guardian during the flame stage and so I went full on dps got the boss down to 5% but to many adds where out so I got killed. I did a vote to kick the healer thinking everyone would say yes..... but I was kicked because the healer was there friend and they got upset I tried to kick him it did make for a wonderful clip tho

CyborgPlatypus

Illurian wrote: »

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

If you didn't say you wanted to do hm at the beginning then you guys are.

We group wiped twice and both times I asked to do hard mode...

But still. If you didn't ask at the beginning. Whether it's easy or not. Whether you asked later or not, that's on you. You should have left if you didn't want to it without hm.

The inverse can be said for them. They could have stated specifically that they didn't want to do HM at the start.

Your argument revolves around what is presumed as the norm, and frankly speaking, there isn't a presumed norm. Anecdotally, the few times I've PUG'ed pledges have always been wordless automatic HM runs.

Because it's the default.

Turelus

aliyavana wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I think both sides were a bit too stubborn.

It might have been better to ask politely to do hardmode before the fight started, and "why do you pull levers" then refusing to res might have just come off abrupt and rubbed them the wrong way.

Maybe my tone was off with that phrase, we can't convey emotion through text sadly but at least I didn't escalate with name calling and such as calling people the "khajiit" word like they did.

Yeah, I mean you didn't start the really bad stuff, but when it comes to PUGs it's often hard to convey you mean something nice when just typing.

Feanor

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

If you didn't say you wanted to do hm at the beginning then you guys are.

We group wiped twice and both times I asked to do hard mode...

But still. If you didn't ask at the beginning. Whether it's easy or not. Whether you asked later or not, that's on you. You should have left if you didn't want to it without hm.

The inverse can be said for them. They could have stated specifically that they didn't want to do HM at the start.

Your argument revolves around what is presumed as the norm, and frankly speaking, there isn't a presumed norm. Anecdotally, the few times I've PUG'ed pledges have always been wordless automatic HM runs.

Because it's the default.

It’s like @aaisoaho said - if you want only 1 key you run normal.

LadyNalcarya

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

If you didn't say you wanted to do hm at the beginning then you guys are.

Except that in this dungeon "hardmode" is actually easier than a "normal mode". The boss will die faster if you keep dpsing him while standing in healing springs.

Voxicity

In 2 and a half years playing I think I've only ever been in one group where levers are pulled. I still have no idea how and what to do with them

AzraelKrieg

You all are.

Illurian

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

CyborgPlatypus wrote: »

If you didn't say you wanted to do hm at the beginning then you guys are.

We group wiped twice and both times I asked to do hard mode...

But still. If you didn't ask at the beginning. Whether it's easy or not. Whether you asked later or not, that's on you. You should have left if you didn't want to it without hm.

The inverse can be said for them. They could have stated specifically that they didn't want to do HM at the start.

Your argument revolves around what is presumed as the norm, and frankly speaking, there isn't a presumed norm. Anecdotally, the few times I've PUG'ed pledges have always been wordless automatic HM runs.

Because it's the default.

The default is to do the pledge on normal. Going into vet means you have the intention of doing a 2 key run, otherwise what would be the point?

Faulgor

If it's the daily pledge, it's always assumed you're going to do HM. I've never encountered otherwise.
Even if you queue for a random vet without knowing it is the pledge, it's the custom to finish HM to help the group with their keys. Unless you are literally incapable to do so (say, one of the DLC dungeons).

For Darkshade2, I actually don't even know the lever mechanics. All my PUG groups have always just bursted through.

WildWilbur

Illurian wrote: »

The default is to do the pledge on normal. Going into vet means you have the intention of doing a 2 key run, otherwise what would be the point?

To go for the monster helmet?

Tasear

greylox wrote: »

Funny thing is, HM is easier than pulling the levers if you keep at the right distance.

You know one day we had to look up how to do normal mode. Assuming you have a healer ( I mean a real one) then it's just a merry go Ride.

Honestly though sounds like were being jeks and didn't trust their teammates.

P.S it's good to mention intentions at start of dungeon, farming, fun, random xp, boredom. Undaunted points.

Niobium

Every person in that group was in the wrong, and with the entire lack of conflict resolution going on it would only make sense if everyone is in their mid-teens. If that's the case then good, because it means there's room to grow and learn how to be an adult; if not then really, wtf.

Also your screenshots clearly show names multiple times. By the erratic lines I'm guessing you were still hyped about the internet fight and likely missed some so that might be good to edit before a higher forum power notices and calls it out as "naming and shaming".

Other than that, take it as a lesson and don't repeat it.

zaria

Feanor wrote: »

Avoiding HM on Darkshade II is so funny as it’s not hard by any meaning. Gotta do nothing special. Just spamming Healing Springs through the poison phase will get the job done. If you take care of the dwemer adds when they spawn the fight takes 5 minutes max. Hilarious.

This keep some distance to boss and stack on healer during poison, block or shield if you still take damage.
deal with adds fast .

Has had groups fail in nDS2 simply by being all over the map all the time obviously combined with low dps.

zaria

Faulgor wrote: »

If it's the daily pledge, it's always assumed you're going to do HM. I've never encountered otherwise.
Even if you queue for a random vet without knowing it is the pledge, it's the custom to finish HM to help the group with their keys. Unless you are literally incapable to do so (say, one of the DLC dungeons).

For Darkshade2, I actually don't even know the lever mechanics. All my PUG groups have always just bursted through.

Yes, if run has been smooth you do HM, if this wipes some times you go without.

BlanketFort

I don’t think you guys were in the wrong. Perhaps it’s different on PC, but on PS4- EU it’s normal to hit HM for vanilla dungeons when it’s a pledge, it’s so automatic you’ll most likely have to pipe up IF you DIDN’T want to do HM. The only time people ask is on DLC, which I find appropriate and should be a group vote, not just decided by one person.

The “mistake” could have been easily fixed by simply wiping and doing HM, which is a valid request, don’t know what they were being so dramatic about. This whole argument with “you refused to res” is weak, clearly you had to refuse res to wipe for reset. They acted like jerks, throwing their weight around as tank and healer, which was rather laughable.

On the other hand, you could have also just left, and saved yourself, and your friend, the emotional stress :-/ no point sinking to their level. Kudos to 2-manning it, though

Edit: typo

ArchMikem

That Poison is nasty but can still be simply ignored if the group stays together and the Healer spams through it. So since the two of them kept insisting on bypassing that by spending the time to do the levers which is actually more of a time waster than just healing through the poison, and then they started giving you crap and slinging it at you in chat, yeah they're kinda in the wrong. It's a good thing the 4th in your group was your bud or else you probably would've been booted by bully mentality.

WatchYourSixx

Wait... There's levers on that boss?