We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European console megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available.
Why is PVE with Stamblade easier than non-pet Magsorc?
LittlePinkDot
✭✭✭✭✭
Ok I know that everything Ive ever read seems to say the opposite, But I dont get it. Im just going to turn my sorc into a pvp character because she sucks for pve compared to by stamblade. The sorcs damage is nowhere near as good as by stamblade, shields arent even that great because they get shot down too easily then you just run out of magicka trying to keep your shields up while you wait for slow shards and daedric curse to do something. If you try to roll dodge with a magsorc a few times you will be out of stamina.
I can breeze through with my stamblade the same content by magsorc struggled with, and I dont even use bow. I use DW/2H with medium armour. I can just cloak, shuffle and roll dodge to avoid getting hit. I do waaay more damage with my stamblade, nothing lives long enough to kill her, assuming they can even hit her.
Ive just been trying to get CP points with my sorc since she got to level 50 first, Im thinking I should just dump Light armour and wear 5 heavy and max the heavy armour skills.
I can breeze through with my stamblade the same content by magsorc struggled with, and I dont even use bow. I use DW/2H with medium armour. I can just cloak, shuffle and roll dodge to avoid getting hit. I do waaay more damage with my stamblade, nothing lives long enough to kill her, assuming they can even hit her.
Ive just been trying to get CP points with my sorc since she got to level 50 first, Im thinking I should just dump Light armour and wear 5 heavy and max the heavy armour skills.
3
-
Ilithyania✭✭✭✭✭both can be very strong
magsorc with or without the pet can pull pretty good DPS 
PC4 -
Kraynic✭✭I guess it depends on what you are doing. Crit surge and blood magic give enough healing that I don't use shields much on mine. Lightning blockade, liquid lightning, curse, a force pulse or 2 and then mage's wrath starts making things explode. If my sorc wasn't a neglected alt that I plan on making into a healer someday, it would really melt things.2
-
Smmokkee✭✭✭✭✭2h/bow shuffle/cloak on a pve build? And you cant do more dmg with your sorc? The more I read into this post the more it makes no sense.
This must be overland.Edited by Smmokkee on January 26, 2018 12:14AM5 -
LittlePinkDot✭✭✭✭✭2h/bow shuffle/cloak on a pve build? And you cant do more dmg with your sorc? The more I read into this post the more it makes no sense.
This must be overland.
You completely misread that. Im DW/2H stamblade and I do waaaay more damage than my magsorc. Its the magsorc ive always had a problem with. What are you smoking Smmokkee?Edited by LittlePinkDot on January 26, 2018 1:10AM1 -
Shawn_PT✭✭✭✭✭
✭I seem to have the same issue. MagSorc is safer. Stuff happening? Standing in red? Tank down and boss on me? Hit a shield. However I can't sorc to save my life. On the other hand I take my stamNB to vMA and even though he's a dozen times squishier I have a lot more fun and clear the thing much faster.
Sorc takes spamming stuff to kill enemies. StamNB land 2 hits and almost everything dies on the spot. I must be doing something wrong. Same gear as many OP sorcs use. Same skills. It must be the CP or something.
I'd say just play whichever gives you the most pleasure.1 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LittlePinkDot wrote: »2h/bow shuffle/cloak on a pve build? And you cant do more dmg with your sorc? The more I read into this post the more it makes no sense.
This must be overland.
You completely misread that. Im DW/2H stamblade and I do waaaay more damage than my magsorc. Its the magsorc ive always had a problem with. What are you smoking Smmokkee?
Probably single target vs aoe. A stamblade can pull very high numbers on single targets.
I have done normal trials with both, only vet trials with a sorcy.Edited by Girl_Number8 on January 26, 2018 3:55AM0 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i find mag sorc to cut through everything with aoe like butter....much easier in solo pve... stam blade has high single target burst damage that is true, but aoe is meh and healing is double meh.... no issue vs trash but fighting bosses and not having vigor sucks...1 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭That's because the two classes play differently. How you play one class might not necessarily be the same on the other. Each class might have the same bar, the same build but ultimately, each class has different passives that changes inherently how you should play it.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
Of Wolf and Raven
Solo / Casual guild for beginners and new players wanting to join the game. Pst me for invite!4 -
coplannb16_ESO✭✭✭✭question is (even if the OT was right) why should a Sorc be better at everything than everyone else?
because Wrobel said so.max level: mDK, stamBlade, stamSorc, magPlar, mDen, stamDen, magBlade, stamCro
ESO+
# of mules: 4 (FULL)
maxed bank: FULL -_-
Stop the grind! Get rid of stupid events and daily-quest gallore. Get rid of "have a chance of 1 in a million to get a piece of 1 in 30 to get a stupid motif or pet... wtf..."
And at this point just remove all classes and have everyone choose their set of skills. then balance accordingly to skills always used vs. skills never used.0 -
Runschei✭✭✭✭✭
✭Maybe it is your playstyle? Maybe you are more into the sneaky and 'risky' playstyle many seem to describe nightblade as.2 -
xiZeroPointix✭✭✭The sorcs power in pve comes from aoe damage. In pve aoe is king. Your comparing curse a single target ability with whirlwind which is an aoe ability. If your usinfg curse to take out mobs..id say that is your problem....thaumaturge..ele expert and your crit damage..use llambris, juli and willpower jewls...slot liquid lighting and blockade on a lighting staff and watch mobs melt before you as you heavy attack..mages fury for the finish if needed..pulsar helps too because its the only source of minor mangle in the game..reduces max health by 15%1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nightblade, both magic and stam, is a better PVE class than sorc, both magic and stam, in the current meta. Anyone that says sorc is a better PVE class than NB hasnt pulled their head out of their @$$ in at least 2-3 patches.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on January 26, 2018 6:11PM2 -
xiZeroPointix✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Nightblade, both magic and stam, is a better PVE class than sorc, both magic and stam, in the current meta. Anyone that says sorc is a better PVE class than NB hasnt pulled their head out of their @$$ in at least 2-3 patches.
This has nothing to do with the discussion and is irrelevant1 -
elantaura✭✭✭✭I find sorc easier due to critsurge I have ale down something will crit I will live - the more the merrier when it comes to adds more means more crit less likely to die. Now I find stamblade more fun something satisfying about stam characters slicing and dicing but he's harder to keep alive by comparasin. I'm not having issues but I can stand in a group of things trying to kill me and check my inventory with a sorc due to aoe and crit surge I don't need to dodge I'll be fine lol. I can't get away with that on a nb.
My daughter plays a sorc and had issues I taught her layering dots, aoe upped he crit to greater than 50% and got rid of her shields. Not because shields are not good they are but because she relied on them and was recasting them over killing things and struggling. it was a little tuff luv but she's better for it.PS4 EU 1200+ cp - I enjoy RP, Housing, PVE and PVP0 -
lolo_01b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well, it depends on what kind of pve content you do. In some cases a stamblade will feel easier and in others you will have a better time, playing a mag sorc. In general I'd say the "easier" content (dungeons, craglorn trials) favours stamblades, simply because you have higher damage and don't need the survivability and range of a magsorc (or magblade). But when you do more difficult stuff like vAS hardmode, you'll notice that fighting melee can become very challenging.0 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭LittlePinkDot wrote: »Ok I know that everything Ive ever read seems to say the opposite, But I dont get it. Im just going to turn my sorc into a pvp character because she sucks for pve compared to by stamblade. The sorcs damage is nowhere near as good as by stamblade, shields arent even that great because they get shot down too easily then you just run out of magicka trying to keep your shields up while you wait for slow shards and daedric curse to do something. If you try to roll dodge with a magsorc a few times you will be out of stamina.
I can breeze through with my stamblade the same content by magsorc struggled with, and I dont even use bow. I use DW/2H with medium armour. I can just cloak, shuffle and roll dodge to avoid getting hit. I do waaay more damage with my stamblade, nothing lives long enough to kill her, assuming they can even hit her.
Ive just been trying to get CP points with my sorc since she got to level 50 first, Im thinking I should just dump Light armour and wear 5 heavy and max the heavy armour skills.
Yes.. MagSorc needs a buff! It's just so slow and clunky trying to cast out skills. Buff MagSorc and do same with all other classes. Bring back the rightful Warlord and Magician. Make all toons great again!0 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LittlePinkDot wrote: »Ok I know that everything Ive ever read seems to say the opposite, But I dont get it. Im just going to turn my sorc into a pvp character because she sucks for pve compared to by stamblade. The sorcs damage is nowhere near as good as by stamblade, shields arent even that great because they get shot down too easily then you just run out of magicka trying to keep your shields up while you wait for slow shards and daedric curse to do something. If you try to roll dodge with a magsorc a few times you will be out of stamina.
I can breeze through with my stamblade the same content by magsorc struggled with, and I dont even use bow. I use DW/2H with medium armour. I can just cloak, shuffle and roll dodge to avoid getting hit. I do waaay more damage with my stamblade, nothing lives long enough to kill her, assuming they can even hit her.
Ive just been trying to get CP points with my sorc since she got to level 50 first, Im thinking I should just dump Light armour and wear 5 heavy and max the heavy armour skills.
If your magsorc is running out of magicka by shielding ... have you tried using Harness Magicka instead of Hardened Ward? If you are running out stamina dodge-rolling, have you tried putting CP in Tumbling or ... not dodge rolling? If you're waiting for "slow shards," have you tried ... using the instant Crystal Frags morph and not hard-casting it?1 -
mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭My sorc has hardened ward on the back bar but almost never uses it - even in trials. It’s there as an “oh, crap!” failsafe.
Crit surge, Lightning form, liquid lightning, wall of elements, bound aegis - my sorc hardly ever needs heading beyond what crit surge provides, until the really hairy fights - and then hardened Ward to the rescue.
Resources are fairly straightforward to maintain - heavy attack weaving.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://www.xynodegaming.com/easy-mode-sorcEdited by mikemacon on January 26, 2018 8:12PM1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xiZeroPointix wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Nightblade, both magic and stam, is a better PVE class than sorc, both magic and stam, in the current meta. Anyone that says sorc is a better PVE class than NB hasnt pulled their head out of their @$$ in at least 2-3 patches.
This has nothing to do with the discussion and is irrelevant
Well, it actually sort of does. OP postulates as to why a stamina version of one class is easier than magic version of another. I will start by saying its a bad comparison because stamblade to magic sorc is about as apples to oranges as it gets, but OP followed by stating that he pulls more damage on his stamblade, even though the forums would have you think magic sorc is king. I was simply pointing out that he should be doing more damage on his stameblade than a non-pet magic sorc, as NB is objectively a better DPS class at this point, whether you are talking magic or stam.0 -
magictucktuck✭✭✭✭✭Probably just more comfortable with it. i played stamina nb from the start and after a while made a mag sorc and not that i was bad with it but i took me a lot longer to get flawless with it then my stamblade. i just couldn't stop dodge rolling on mag chars lol
EDIT: i just noticed you are low level / cp..... at low levels its all about play style. once you start doing endgame content and you are fully geared is when you find out whats better or worse. but at lower levels and new to game u can suck with a sorc and OP with warden then get to endgame and realize u just suck lol you dont learn anything until you start doing endgame content since overland is such a faceroll. that's why its good to practice interrupts and dodging and blocking before you get there or else u will be who everyone complains about on the forumsEdited by magictucktuck on January 26, 2018 8:33PM0 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sorc shields will always be better then any defense stam has.
Just run tri-food so you can dodge roll out of red.Edited by KingYogi415 on January 26, 2018 8:49PM0 -
xiZeroPointix✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »xiZeroPointix wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Nightblade, both magic and stam, is a better PVE class than sorc, both magic and stam, in the current meta. Anyone that says sorc is a better PVE class than NB hasnt pulled their head out of their @$$ in at least 2-3 patches.
This has nothing to do with the discussion and is irrelevant
Well, it actually sort of does. OP postulates as to why a stamina version of one class is easier than magic version of another. I will start by saying its a bad comparison because stamblade to magic sorc is about as apples to oranges as it gets, but OP followed by stating that he pulls more damage on his stamblade, even though the forums would have you think magic sorc is king. I was simply pointing out that he should be doing more damage on his stameblade than a non-pet magic sorc, as NB is objectively a better DPS class at this point, whether you are talking magic or stam.
Technically he should not struggle with either of them. Both classes have the best single target burst..well enter warden now, its not a matter of which class is better is a matter of why the struggle with magsorc. They are both strong classes.0 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LittlePinkDot wrote: »Ok I know that everything Ive ever read seems to say the opposite, But I dont get it. Im just going to turn my sorc into a pvp character because she sucks for pve compared to by stamblade. The sorcs damage is nowhere near as good as by stamblade, shields arent even that great because they get shot down too easily then you just run out of magicka trying to keep your shields up while you wait for slow shards and daedric curse to do something. If you try to roll dodge with a magsorc a few times you will be out of stamina.
I can breeze through with my stamblade the same content by magsorc struggled with, and I dont even use bow. I use DW/2H with medium armour. I can just cloak, shuffle and roll dodge to avoid getting hit. I do waaay more damage with my stamblade, nothing lives long enough to kill her, assuming they can even hit her.
Ive just been trying to get CP points with my sorc since she got to level 50 first, Im thinking I should just dump Light armour and wear 5 heavy and max the heavy armour skills.
Breaking this down...
"The sorcs damage is nowhere near as good as by stamblade"
This is a stamina vs magicka thing more than a Nightblade vs Sorc thing. Stamina does more DPS right now.
"shields arent even that great because they get shot down too easily then you just run out of magicka trying to keep your shields up while you wait for slow shards and daedric curse to do something. "
Not sure what you are saying here... if you are running out of magicka then you should be doing lightning heavy attacks. One of the advantages of Sorc (at least until the next patch) is they can do good DPS with just a heavy attack build.
If you try to roll dodge with a magsorc a few times you will be out of stamina.
You should rarely have to dodge with a Magicka Sorc. Shield and block are your friend here. You can also use Surge and/or your Twilight to heal any damage you sustained.
For the rest of what you are saying it really depends on the content. If I am running around on overland stuff the Stam Nightblade is superior because of the amount of burst damage. Ambush + Surprise attack will kill just about anything. In a vet dungeon or trial the Sorc does fine, because DPS is gained through getting multiple damage over time skills going at the same time. Its a slow ramp up, but you eventually get to good DPS numbers on things with high health.
Stamina builds in general do the most DPS right now (again this is not really a Nightblade thing per se), but you will find they aren't as sturdy in DLC Vet Dungeons and Trials. You can stand at a range and shield with a Sorc which makes durability in a lot of fights higher. So while you will get jaw dropping DPS with your Stamina Nightblade, your Sorc is more likely to get the "No Death" achievement.
The bottom line is play what you think is fun. I've never really liked the current Sorc play style (I think it is slow and boring), but I have max level characters in every class, so if one is fun to play for a few patches I play that one, and switch when ZoS nerfs it into the ground to make something else more appealing.Playing since beta...0 -
LittlePinkDot✭✭✭✭✭Im using both hardened ward and boung aegis on both bars on my sorc. Drestructive reach, crystalshards, liquid lightning, deadric curse, power surge. Fire destruction staff and restoration staff.
Nothing stays in the liquid lightning, they just walk out of it.
DoT is annoying and slow.
For CP allocation Im following Alcasts pvp sorc build. As soon as I finish Orsinium with her she wont be doing any pve anymore.
If Zos can give us a class change token I would change her to something else thats actually fun.
Although I hate staffs so much I dont think I will ever make another mag character ever again. And I dont do dungeons because I only like pve solo.Edited by LittlePinkDot on January 27, 2018 1:45AM0 -
victoriana-blue✭✭✭✭
Sounds like you're aiming your abilities too far away - the mobs should run into your aoes. You could also try moving around a bit more, strafing/circling to keep mobs in roughly the same area while you avoid their cone- and rectangle-shaped attacks. Alternately, drop aegis and slot the clannfear instead - it'll taunt the enemies and hold them in place, and once your dots are hitting more consistently you'll get more value from power surge.LittlePinkDot wrote: »Im using both hardened ward and boung aegis on both bars on my sorc. Drestructive reach, crystalshards, liquid lightning, deadric curse, power surge. Fire destruction staff and restoration staff.
Nothing stays in the liquid lightning, they just walk out of it.
DoT is annoying and slow.
For CP allocation Im following Alcasts pvp sorc build. As soon as I finish Orsinium with her she wont be doing any pve anymore.
If Zos can give us a class change token I would change her to something else thats actually fun.
Although I hate staffs so much I dont think I will ever make another mag character ever again. And I dont do dungeons because I only like pve solo.
Since you're mostly doing solo content, try dropping ward on one bar for wall of elements. A single dot is slow, for sure, but if you're in a trash pack it's much faster to layer 3-4 aoe dots.
(And while I'm nearly all nightblades, all the time, I think the magsorc's shield & burst heal options make it much more forgiving than a stamblade. Obviously ymmv.)CP 750+
Never enough inventory space, even with storage coffers and a mule account0 -
Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Must be playing a different sorcerer, just go lightning, bound armour, buff, buff, aoe, aoe, and hold down the left button until the baddies go poof... that and the execute is freaking awesome to watch
Edited by Integral1900 on January 27, 2018 11:49AM0 -
LittlePinkDot✭✭✭✭✭LittlePinkDot wrote: »Im using both hardened ward and boung aegis on both bars on my sorc. Drestructive reach, crystalshards, liquid lightning, deadric curse, power surge. Fire destruction staff and restoration staff.
Nothing stays in the liquid lightning, they just walk out of it.
DoT is annoying and slow.
For CP allocation Im following Alcasts pvp sorc build. As soon as I finish Orsinium with her she wont be doing any pve anymore.
If Zos can give us a class change token I would change her to something else thats actually fun.
Although I hate staffs so much I dont think I will ever make another magvictoriana-blue wrote: »
Sounds like you're aiming your abilities too far away - the mobs should run into your aoes. You could also try moving around a bit more, strafing/circling to keep mobs in roughly the same area while you avoid their cone- and rectangle-shaped attacks. Alternately, drop aegis and slot the clannfear instead - it'll taunt the enemies and hold them in place, and once your dots are hitting more consistently you'll get more value from power surge.LittlePinkDot wrote: »Im using both hardened ward and boung aegis on both bars on my sorc. Drestructive reach, crystalshards, liquid lightning, deadric curse, power surge. Fire destruction staff and restoration staff.
Nothing stays in the liquid lightning, they just walk out of it.
DoT is annoying and slow.
For CP allocation Im following Alcasts pvp sorc build. As soon as I finish Orsinium with her she wont be doing any pve anymore.
If Zos can give us a class change token I would change her to something else thats actually fun.
Although I hate staffs so much I dont think I will ever make another mag character ever again. And I dont do dungeons because I only like pve solo.
Since you're mostly doing solo content, try dropping ward on one bar for wall of elements. A single dot is slow, for sure, but if you're in a trash pack it's much faster to layer 3-4 aoe dots.
(And while I'm nearly all nightblades, all the time, I think the magsorc's shield & burst heal options make it much more forgiving than a stamblade. Obviously ymmv.)
Stamblade has bloodcraze, vigor and Rally from 2h, plenty of ways to heal yourself directly with a stamblade, I dont have to wait for a crit to heal.Edited by LittlePinkDot on January 27, 2018 4:35PM0 -
victoriana-blue✭✭✭✭
[/quote]LittlePinkDot wrote: »LittlePinkDot wrote: »Im using both hardened ward and boung aegis on both bars on my sorc. Drestructive reach, crystalshards, liquid lightning, deadric curse, power surge. Fire destruction staff and restoration staff.
Nothing stays in the liquid lightning, they just walk out of it.
DoT is annoying and slow.
For CP allocation Im following Alcasts pvp sorc build. As soon as I finish Orsinium with her she wont be doing any pve anymore.
If Zos can give us a class change token I would change her to something else thats actually fun.
Although I hate staffs so much I dont think I will ever make another magvictoriana-blue wrote: »
Sounds like you're aiming your abilities too far away - the mobs should run into your aoes. You could also try moving around a bit more, strafing/circling to keep mobs in roughly the same area while you avoid their cone- and rectangle-shaped attacks. Alternately, drop aegis and slot the clannfear instead - it'll taunt the enemies and hold them in place, and once your dots are hitting more consistently you'll get more value from power surge.LittlePinkDot wrote: »Im using both hardened ward and boung aegis on both bars on my sorc. Drestructive reach, crystalshards, liquid lightning, deadric curse, power surge. Fire destruction staff and restoration staff.
Nothing stays in the liquid lightning, they just walk out of it.
DoT is annoying and slow.
For CP allocation Im following Alcasts pvp sorc build. As soon as I finish Orsinium with her she wont be doing any pve anymore.
If Zos can give us a class change token I would change her to something else thats actually fun.
Although I hate staffs so much I dont think I will ever make another mag character ever again. And I dont do dungeons because I only like pve solo.
Since you're mostly doing solo content, try dropping ward on one bar for wall of elements. A single dot is slow, for sure, but if you're in a trash pack it's much faster to layer 3-4 aoe dots.
(And while I'm nearly all nightblades, all the time, I think the magsorc's shield & burst heal options make it much more forgiving than a stamblade. Obviously ymmv.)
Stamblade has bloodcraze, vigor and Rally from 2h, plenty of ways to heal yourself directly with a stamblade, I dont have to wait for a crit to heal.
Layering dots means you shouldn't be waiting for a crit: if an enemy is being hit with 4+ damage ticks per second, surge should be proccing whenever it goes off cool down.
Burst heals are a lovely "oh ***" button, and while stamblades have access to lots of class-based heals over time (siphoning attacks, etc) they're lacking on-demand burst heals and are they're forced to slot 2h if they want Rally; blood craze and rending slashes are hot dw weapon skills and vigor is a PvP hot. None of them compare to dark conversion, the twilight matriarch, or ward. Even the heal off of mark target relies on 1) there being weak mobs around, who 2) you're able to focus down when necessary.Edited by victoriana-blue on January 27, 2018 6:35PMCP 750+
Never enough inventory space, even with storage coffers and a mule account0 -
LittlePinkDot✭✭✭✭✭
Layering dots means you shouldn't be waiting for a crit: if an enemy is being hit with 4+ damage ticks per second, surge should be proccing whenever it goes off cool down.victoriana-blue wrote: »LittlePinkDot wrote: »LittlePinkDot wrote: »Im using both hardened ward and boung aegis on both bars on my sorc. Drestructive reach, crystalshards, liquid lightning, deadric curse, power surge. Fire destruction staff and restoration staff.
Nothing stays in the liquid lightning, they just walk out of it.
DoT is annoying and slow.
For CP allocation Im following Alcasts pvp sorc build. As soon as I finish Orsinium with her she wont be doing any pve anymore.
If Zos can give us a class change token I would change her to something else thats actually fun.
Although I hate staffs so much I dont think I will ever make another magvictoriana-blue wrote: »
Sounds like you're aiming your abilities too far away - the mobs should run into your aoes. You could also try moving around a bit more, strafing/circling to keep mobs in roughly the same area while you avoid their cone- and rectangle-shaped attacks. Alternately, drop aegis and slot the clannfear instead - it'll taunt the enemies and hold them in place, and once your dots are hitting more consistently you'll get more value from power surge.LittlePinkDot wrote: »Im using both hardened ward and boung aegis on both bars on my sorc. Drestructive reach, crystalshards, liquid lightning, deadric curse, power surge. Fire destruction staff and restoration staff.
Nothing stays in the liquid lightning, they just walk out of it.
DoT is annoying and slow.
For CP allocation Im following Alcasts pvp sorc build. As soon as I finish Orsinium with her she wont be doing any pve anymore.
If Zos can give us a class change token I would change her to something else thats actually fun.
Although I hate staffs so much I dont think I will ever make another mag character ever again. And I dont do dungeons because I only like pve solo.
Since you're mostly doing solo content, try dropping ward on one bar for wall of elements. A single dot is slow, for sure, but if you're in a trash pack it's much faster to layer 3-4 aoe dots.
(And while I'm nearly all nightblades, all the time, I think the magsorc's shield & burst heal options make it much more forgiving than a stamblade. Obviously ymmv.)
Stamblade has bloodcraze, vigor and Rally from 2h, plenty of ways to heal yourself directly with a stamblade, I dont have to wait for a crit to heal.
Burst heals are a lovely "oh ***" button, and while stamblades have access to lots of class-based heals over time (siphoning attacks, etc) they're lacking on-demand burst heals and are they're forced to slot 2h if they want Rally; blood craze and rending slashes are hot dw weapon skills and vigor is a PvP hot. None of them compare to dark conversion, the twilight matriarch, or ward. Even the heal off of mark target relies on 1) there being weak mobs around, who 2) you're able to focus down when necessary.[/quote]
Well Ill try different skills with sorc, although I didnt want to use pets. I still cant see stamblade being more difficult. Yes I use vigor for pve but If im dodging and using things like shuffle and mass hysteria, cloak, snares, then I shouldnt be getting hit enough to require much healing.
Also the saying "you cant do damage if you're dead" applies to enemies as well. I can burst down a target fast with my stamblade and Im not waiting for a DoT.
Its hard to avoid getting hit with my sorc so bosses that take off alot of damage hurt alot.0 -
Kraynic✭✭victoriana-blue wrote: »Layering dots means you shouldn't be waiting for a crit: if an enemy is being hit with 4+ damage ticks per second, surge should be proccing whenever it goes off cool down.
This is exactly what I do with mine. Blockade, liquid lightning, curse, with whatever I spam otherwise, and the health return from the blood magic perk from the instant proc shards gives me around 3k healing per second without any healing abilities on my bars.
Edited by Kraynic on January 27, 2018 10:22PM0