The problem with stuns and staggers...

Armatesz

This has been something I noticed since morrowind first came out, been talking to as many people as I could have to implore on their thoughts on all the stuns and staggers there are in this game. From what I can tell they are broken. You can literally toss someone in the air and stagger them infinitely... even make them get enough air time where they take fall damage. This I am talking about is both pvp and pve. Same thing can be used against single targets and even zergs. Although most of them are with single targets. Example of some annoying ones are the dragonknights chains pulling back and forth. Shoot even clench and meteor can ruin people.

Jamini

CC in this game is laughable. One stun or knockback gives the target seven full seconds of immunity, not even counting break free being immediately usable. All cc except roots is tied to this cooldown, and roots have their own 3 second cooldown after a roll dodge.

If that wasn't enough, you can get nearly full snare and root immunity with potions.

If anything, displacement abilities need to not trigger cc immunity, as right now unrelenting grip is only useful for zerg surfing. any competent player can counter it by just blocking or roll dodging as soon as they are pulled.

Sawzallz

I kinda agree.im been trying battle ground and literally got stunned for.6 seconds them I get.spammed with the vampire ablity which apparently has a 100% chance to stun in pvp but not I'm pve, I'm litteraly about to get immovable

Jamini

Sawzallz wrote: »

I kinda agree.im been trying battle ground and literally got stunned for.6 seconds them I get.spammed with the vampire ablity which apparently has a 100% chance to stun in pvp but not I'm pve, I'm litteraly about to get immovable

Hold the right mouse button. Click the left mouse button. As long as your stamina is not empty you are now free from all stuns for seven seconds. You are welcome.

This is a L2P issue.

JobooAGS

Jamini wrote: »

Sawzallz wrote: »

I kinda agree.im been trying battle ground and literally got stunned for.6 seconds them I get.spammed with the vampire ablity which apparently has a 100% chance to stun in pvp but not I'm pve, I'm litteraly about to get immovable

Hold the right mouse button. Click the left mouse button. As long as your stamina is not empty you are now free from all stuns for seven seconds. You are welcome.

This is a L2P issue.

I dont think you can break free from some stuns like vamp stun. am I wrong?

Sawzallz

Jamini wrote: »

Sawzallz wrote: »

I kinda agree.im been trying battle ground and literally got stunned for.6 seconds them I get.spammed with the vampire ablity which apparently has a 100% chance to stun in pvp but not I'm pve, I'm litteraly about to get immovable

Hold the right mouse button. Click the left mouse button. As long as your stamina is not empty you are now free from all stuns for seven seconds. You are welcome.

This is a L2P issue.

Where's the left click on my controller?

SGT_Wolfe101st

It really isn't as simple as break free. In Cyrodiil last night. Stun, literally frozen, could not move, use abilities, break free, nothing, then the attacks from any number of enemy players, death recap had 6 attacks, 4 of which never registered on screen. Lag is an issue in this but if I am stunned and then unable to do any counter that is an issue. L2P my a**, nothing to learn, get snared, stunned, CC'd and you're dead 90% of the time.

Jamini

JobooAGS wrote: »

Jamini wrote: »

Sawzallz wrote: »

I kinda agree.im been trying battle ground and literally got stunned for.6 seconds them I get.spammed with the vampire ablity which apparently has a 100% chance to stun in pvp but not I'm pve, I'm litteraly about to get immovable

Hold the right mouse button. Click the left mouse button. As long as your stamina is not empty you are now free from all stuns for seven seconds. You are welcome.

This is a L2P issue.

I dont think you can break free from some stuns like vamp stun. am I wrong?

You can break free from the vamp stun.

Jamini

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

It really isn't as simple as break free. In Cyrodiil last night. Stun, literally frozen, could not move, use abilities, break free, nothing, then the attacks from any number of enemy players, death recap had 6 attacks, 4 of which never registered on screen. Lag is an issue in this but if I am stunned and then unable to do any counter that is an issue. L2P my a**, nothing to learn, get snared, stunned, CC'd and you're dead 90% of the time.

That sounds like lag. It isn't a game mechanic.

There was a buggy shield stun. But AFAIK it was patched recently.

Apache_Kid

Jamini wrote: »

Sawzallz wrote: »

I kinda agree.im been trying battle ground and literally got stunned for.6 seconds them I get.spammed with the vampire ablity which apparently has a 100% chance to stun in pvp but not I'm pve, I'm litteraly about to get immovable

Hold the right mouse button. Click the left mouse button. As long as your stamina is not empty you are now free from all stuns for seven seconds. You are welcome.

This is a L2P issue.

Unfortunately, break free can become buggy when experiencing lag and latency issues which has a near 100% uptime while in battle in Cyrodiil. This causes people to become frustrated when they clearly have stamina, try to break free, but do not actually free themselves because the game did not register that they did it.

This is a ZoS server/infrastructure issue.

Armatesz

Jamini wrote: »

CC in this game is laughable. One stun or knockback gives the target seven full seconds of immunity, not even counting break free being immediately usable. All cc except roots is tied to this cooldown, and roots have their own 3 second cooldown after a roll dodge.

If that wasn't enough, you can get nearly full snare and root immunity with potions.

If anything, displacement abilities need to not trigger cc immunity, as right now unrelenting grip is only useful for zerg surfing. any competent player can counter it by just blocking or roll dodging as soon as they are pulled.

There are ways to go around the potions so even if someone does use the immobility potions they can still break your potion in that department.

Armatesz

Jamini wrote: »

Sawzallz wrote: »

I kinda agree.im been trying battle ground and literally got stunned for.6 seconds them I get.spammed with the vampire ablity which apparently has a 100% chance to stun in pvp but not I'm pve, I'm litteraly about to get immovable

Hold the right mouse button. Click the left mouse button. As long as your stamina is not empty you are now free from all stuns for seven seconds. You are welcome.

This is a L2P issue.

Xbox* and you are not knowing of the addressed situations but assuming.

Armatesz

But anyways there is a way to chain other people with clench and meteor (multiple people doing it) that can cause someone to become airborne... so much that you can make them get intense air with them, just enough that they can take fall damage. There are other ways as well.

Jamini

Armatesz wrote: »

But anyways there is a way to chain other people with clench and meteor (multiple people doing it) that can cause someone to become airborne... so much that you can make them get intense air with them, just enough that they can take fall damage. There are other ways as well.

Post a video of this happening, or your words are meaningless. To fix bugs (which this sounds like, if it is true) you need evidence and a means to reproduce.

cazlonb16_ESO

Stop trolling. If you've ever been to Cyrodiil, you know that cc break and cc immunity aren't working properly there.

Armatesz

Jamini wrote: »

Armatesz wrote: »

But anyways there is a way to chain other people with clench and meteor (multiple people doing it) that can cause someone to become airborne... so much that you can make them get intense air with them, just enough that they can take fall damage. There are other ways as well.

Post a video of this happening, or your words are meaningless. To fix bugs (which this sounds like, if it is true) you need evidence and a means to reproduce.

Then I will have to find some others to help me and will likely try to post later.

Armatesz

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Stop trolling. If you've ever been to Cyrodiil, you know that cc break and cc immunity aren't working properly there.

Or maybe I don't have to post with a post response like that, wonder how long has it been broken? Think since morrowind? That was when I first noticed it was bad.