A fellow stamblade needs advice.

Erekon

I'm fairly decent in 1v1s now. Even if I lose, the fights last atleast 5-10min+. However, I have 2 problems:

1. I fear magDKs in a 1v1. I can't cloak reliably to crit heals. I am rooted, stunned 99% of the time in a fight. My burst is probably not enough against good ones. And I feel I have no sustained pressure. How do I fight against them? I've fought a fair share of experienced players of all classes now. But none of the other classes have given be so much problems. (Yes not even undodgeable birds!!)

2. I've been trying to learn how to 1vX recently. So what I do is I go to a random resource and take it and wait for people to come. I've noticed that the maximum no. of people I can take = 3-4 *** players. But the instant I get marked I know I'm screwed. I may get 1 or 2 *** players down but mark = death sentence for me. ( AND EVERYONE's RUNNING MARK PFF ). How do I counter mark target?

Thank you.

My build:
1.2k mag recovery
2.3k stam recovery
4.4k fully buffed weapon damage ( with enchant + master bow + major brutality)
13k MAG, 21k HP, 31k stam ( No undaunted passive yet.)

SpiderCultist

You can use purge to remove piercing mark. The problem is it isn't cheap.

For mDKs fear is your friend.

lazerlaz

mDKs are nasty against medium wearing nightblade vampires for sure but not impossible.

Only tip I have for a 1vX situation against mark is
1. Remember that only those who marked you can see you.
2. Find who marked you and focus them first (its usually the guy that ambushes, snipes, or "insert other dps here" while you hit cloak) lol.
3. If you can't find him or the pressure is too high, find trees, rocks, or a cliff to LOS best you can. Then find him and beat his arse lol.

Arkangeloski

Run efficient purge, since you have a nice mag pool and mag recovery it wont hurt much. Just make sure you get the line of sight before casting it so you dont get marked again . Thats one way, another way is to sprint and cloak yes cloak...Remember the only person that can see you is the one that marked you, so if you cloak and they keep coming at you then obviously thats the culprit, highlight the player sprint get line of sight and finish him quickly. It takes practice but once you get it its second nature, and most important dont panic and over buff dont waste resources remember its only one player that can see you.

KingJ

As a medium stamblade two classes will usually give you the most trouble mine camping sorc and Magdk. For dueling I prefer Heavy because having you main defense being dodge roll isn't great since everything go through it.I'm guessing your running shackle breaker.For magdk its a hard fight You best bet is to force separation between the two of you fear and shade is your best friend in those fights they give you the space you need to roll dodge vigor cloak and give yourself some breathing room.

JobooAGS

Hmm, my mag recovery sits at around 800 (900 with capture passive) and 1.5k unbuffed stam regen (1.8k buffed) and 1.8k and 2.1k respectively with capture passive. How are people getting so much mag regen? I have a mag regen glyph on one of my jewels and stam regen on the other 2 jewels. I have 3.3k weapon damage with just brutality (add more for infused glyph and master bow) and 38.5k max stam, 23.5k hp and about 10k magic. Hundings, bloodspawn and agility

olsborg

Kite them with shadow image. When it works again.

Edziu

as for magdk from very long time I remember they were just pain for stamblade and big trouble

as for mark...ehh just those who using mark are pve zerg scrubs who can nothing more than zerging, they even dont know how to use magelight because at all they never going for mele, they only snipe behing zerg and cast mark for everyone because scrub reasons

when I had 1v2-3 and I got who is casting this mark...he even dont know what is heal, vigor/rally, just spammed those with light attack and poison inject with dodge and they dont know how to self heal from this dot before execute range lol

those with mark are just unskilled cancer like cliff racers or old beam behind zerg, there is no counter for cancer if it wont get nerfed like proc sets

DDuke

Against mDK, it'll be a bit better next patch after they make Power Lash dodgeable.

I'm certain medium armor stamblade will still be unfavoured, but atleast a bit less unfavoured than before.


Currently your best option (outside slotting Troll King & heavy armor) is to kite them and hope they don't have a gap closer (or speed pots+forward momentum) and then burst them when they've taken some DoT damage and are within range.

It's not easy, but probably doable against most DKs.


How you describe 1vX is precisely the reason I stopped playing my melee stamblade (still got my bowblade ganker tho) months ago, so many things that can shut down your build completely (mark, mDK with gap closer, getting soul assaulted while outnumbered etc etc). Just doesn't feel good to play medium stamblade atm imho.

Erekon

Its a shame that all my defensive abilities/mechanisms are hard countered by so many things. Detect pots, mark, undodgeable ***... Wouldn't mind if someone outplayed me but this is just plain stupid.
Thank you everyone for all your tips but I guess I'll just go ahead and start playing my warden xD. or heavy armour.

Kode

Dodge is extremely strong, so I am not offended by skills that go through dodge. It is still extremely powerful, but has a weakness. Mark sucks, I agree, but follow the advice that others have given to counter it. If mark is ending you, perhaps you are too reliant on cloak as a means to avoid damage, especially if you are tower farming. If you don't want to change your playstyle, you'll need magicka to slot purge.
Detect pots have a small window, they only increase the radius that you can be seen at, and have a short duration.
I Nightblade is in a better place than it ever was. Not having counters to Nightblades would leave them way too OP because a very good nightblade is a lot to handle.

Tzayad

lazerlaz wrote: »

1. Remember that only those who marked you can see you.

This isn't true, though if you kill the person that marked you, the mark will fall off.

SRASinister

When I used to duel mag dks on my stamblade which was a vamp it was either use heavy for trying to outsustain their damage or full on burst. If the mag dk had some damage I would put on pure damage and penetration sets and maybe even a proc set.

Using fear constantly and at least one dot would diminish a lot of their stamina especially if they are block casting. Shuffle is your friend if you're in medium armor and they are spamming talons. Fully charged heavy attacks also help by turning your character to face the mag dk if you're rooted.

Yakidafi

It depends on your race for one.

I also noticed you do not run a sustain set, I would have switched agility and 1 monster piece for bone pirate, next update the warlock set will come for stamina if you want to try and backbar that and keep 2 monster.
your mag recipe is OK for stam nb, stam rec I would not have gone under 2.2k(with drink) and unbuffed.

@JobooAGS

I hate magdk on stamnb only snare root, whip and dots.

Edit: also noticed that shuffle does not always grant the immunity, only a best case scenario. Alot of times I get snared instantly after use even though I have full medium.

Wrubius_Coronaria

JobooAGS wrote: »

Hmm, my mag recovery sits at around 800 (900 with capture passive) and 1.5k unbuffed stam regen (1.8k buffed) and 1.8k and 2.1k respectively with capture passive. How are people getting so much mag regen? I have a mag regen glyph on one of my jewels and stam regen on the other 2 jewels. I have 3.3k weapon damage with just brutality (add more for infused glyph and master bow) and 38.5k max stam, 23.5k hp and about 10k magic. Hundings, bloodspawn and agility

Your regen is probably low because you are using max stat food and sets for increasing max stamina it seems, instead of something for regen like this with a set for sustain:




Personally, I'm playing with 29k stamina and 3.3k weapon damages (with major brutality only) and from my experience it's more than I need for burst the majority of my opponents. But it depend of your playstyle aswell, some players prefer sustain and others perfer very high damages.

Erekon wrote: »

I'm fairly decent in 1v1s now. Even if I lose, the fights last atleast 5-10min+. However, I have 2 problems:

1. I fear magDKs in a 1v1. I can't cloak reliably to crit heals. I am rooted, stunned 99% of the time in a fight. My burst is probably not enough against good ones. And I feel I have no sustained pressure. How do I fight against them? I've fought a fair share of experienced players of all classes now. But none of the other classes have given be so much problems. (Yes not even undodgeable birds!!)

2. I've been trying to learn how to 1vX recently. So what I do is I go to a random resource and take it and wait for people to come. I've noticed that the maximum no. of people I can take = 3-4 *** players. But the instant I get marked I know I'm screwed. I may get 1 or 2 *** players down but mark = death sentence for me. ( AND EVERYONE's RUNNING MARK PFF ). How do I counter mark target?

Thank you.

My build:
1.2k mag recovery
2.3k stam recovery
4.4k fully buffed weapon damage ( with enchant + master bow + major brutality)
13k MAG, 21k HP, 31k stam ( No undaunted passive yet.)

1. agaisnt magicka dragonknight, try to burst them, use your cc (fear) often for drain their stamina. Don't stand in front of them for too long or you are dead, stay in movement and don't hesitate to move out of range of their attacks if you are in troubles. (movement is the key of survivability). Troll king can help for survive againt them and their damages. Immovable pots for prevent cc is also very good while fighting them. Watch how they are playing, often fews seconds are enough for understand wich combo they are using for burst and kill their opponents. (each class use often similars combos, once you know them, you can predict their playstyle and counter them quite easily).

If someone spam cliffracer agaisnt you, rolldodge (for major expedition), use cloak, and use line for sight for avoid these attacks.

2. When another nightblade use mark against you, use mark too. I often use it for discourage my opponents to attack me in 1vsX situations. With that, I know where is the other nightblade for prevent any attempt of burst and for discourage him/her to attack me. (most of them will just disengage the fight and run away until piercing mark expire). And if the player who marked you is still trying to attack you, burst him fast as you can when you'll have a good opportunity.

Fews advices from my experience:

When severals players are runing after you, don't hesitate to avoid the fight until the circumstances turn in your favor. (when a small group of 4 or 6 players stay close to each others for example and are attacking you at the same time). try to split their group while kitting them in a ressource tower for example, and make fights in something like many 1vs2 or 1vs1 and not agaisnt 1vs5 or more at the same time. Don't overestimate yourself, even beginners in groups can be a real threat! Stay aware of what is happening around you. But also, remember to be always in movement in these situations, it will be more difficult for others players to hit you with their skills.
If someone snared you and you are in troubles, remove the snare with shuffle (or forward momentum), move away (and when you are far enough use cloak, but don't spam cloak when your opponent is still close to you. (too many skills break cloak)
Choose the right time for attack and disengage the fight, there is no shame about that. And your survivabilty will be increased a lot.