Double Bow Warden
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I recently changed my build from a magicka warden to double bow warden, thinking that going to a ranged stamina was better than being a magicka warden. Someone also boasted damage in the high 30k's on double bow warden. So I was wondering if anyone had the time to help me out and show me their rotation, and show me this isn't just a pipe dream of getting over the 20k I'm getting currently xD
current build is the one recommended by alcast.
master bow, maelstrom bow, 5 VO, and 5TFS.
current build is the one recommended by alcast.
master bow, maelstrom bow, 5 VO, and 5TFS.
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Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can pull well over 30k no problem on a Bow/Bow Warden, I get 35k on mine. However as I only play Warden occasionally let me refer you to someone I know who is more proficient with them than I. @SodanTok is the person you want to talk to, additionally to save time you can check out a thread they started:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381498/everything-needed-to-know-about-bow-bow-in-pve#latest
On the other hand if you have questions about DK Bow/Bow for end game PVE or PVP, or Bow/Bow on any class in VMA I could provide more specific help.
The most common shortcoming for DPS I see from other players is missed light attacks and light weaves, that just takes practice. Second to that is a poor rotation that does not maximize DoT uptime.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..5 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »You can pull well over 30k no problem on a Bow/Bow Warden, I get 35k on mine. However as I only play Warden occasionally let me refer you to someone I know who is more proficient with them than I. @SodanTok is the person you want to talk to, additionally to save time you can check out a thread they started:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381498/everything-needed-to-know-about-bow-bow-in-pve#latest
On the other hand if you have questions about DK Bow/Bow for end game PVE or PVP, or Bow/Bow on any class in VMA I could provide more specific help.
The most common shortcoming for DPS I see from other players is missed light attacks and light weaves, that just takes practice. Second to that is a poor rotation that does not maximize DoT uptime.
Hmm, I get 31k self buffed on my bowden using vo, agility and stormfist with a vma and vdsa bow. I have these skills on my bars.
vma bar: lightweight trap, hail, caltrops, ice fortress, mushrooms, bear
vdsa bar: beetles, birds, poison injection, green lotus, netch, bear. can swap vdsa bar bear with fdb, and vma bear with ballistaEdited by JobooAGS on January 24, 2018 3:25PM0 -
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Hmm, I get 31k self buffed on my bowden using vo, agility and stormfist with a vma and vdsa bow. I have these skills on my bars.
vma bar: lightweight trap, hail, caltrops, ice fortress, mushrooms, bear
vdsa bar: beetles, birds, poison injection, green lotus, netch, bear. can swap vdsa bar bear with fdb, and vma bear with ballista
Get Acid spray, really. It is 1800 DPS in single target (and thats with 50% uptime). Nothing you could cast instead of it would result in more damage.
And then obv practice and practice
Also VO is not really good set as main set. If you want to use VO, go for 5+5+1 (with NMG, TFS, ...) not 5+3+2+1.
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ok, so drop the monster set and add a second 5 piece disregarding agility?
Get Acid spray, really. It is 1800 DPS in single target (and thats with 50% uptime). Nothing you could cast instead of it would result in more damage.
And then obv practice and practice Also VO is not really good set as main set. If you want to use VO, go for 5+5+1 (with NMG, TFS, ...) not 5+3+2+1.0 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭ok, so drop the monster set and add a second 5 piece disregarding agility?
one issue with with dubious cameron throne is that you have to sacrfice more stam to keep your hp up. Im assuming its worth it?0 -
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✭✭ok, so drop the monster set and add a second 5 piece disregarding agility?
In that situation? Yes. Better would be replace the VO set with different, better performing
As for sacrificing stamina, it does not matter what set you wear really. You dont need stamina set to get stamina to get health. Just get health and disregard how much stam you have.Edited by SodanTok on January 24, 2018 9:17PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Is it ok if I add you in game @SodanTok and maybe you could show me your rotation a couple times or recommend different sets?
Literally everything you are asking for is here, and has been posted in this thread before. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381498/everything-needed-to-know-about-bow-bow-in-pve.2 -
xbobx✭✭✭✭✭i am running automaton and spriggins. So far so good.
Acid spray is so great at eliminating trash mobs.
I run cliff, caltrops, (either birds of prey or fortress depending on how hard the fights are) vigor and beetles. on front
Being that is my spam bar i have a lot of the pet line on front bar for the extra damage that the passive gives. I love birds of prey. get 8+2% damage, plus stamina regen and speed boost all in one skill. Perfect for delves, farming and easy dungeons. To me its one of the best skill warden has.
on back bar
injection, hail, acid spray, lotus and netch.
i start at ranged and hit my buffs. launch hail and injection, switch, hit birds of prey and beetles. if i need aoe i go back to acid spray, if not i spam cliff.
i enjoy it.1 -
Arbit✭✭✭✭its just I'm running the recommended sets and everything, if I could just see a person who reaches 30k show me their rotation I could know what to emulate.Argonian Master Race
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xbobx✭✭✭✭✭Here is my problem with the game and maybe peoples mentality in it.
I have played a few mmos in my time and I see this in every mmo. People look at damage and usually single target damage as the only thing that matter.
I don't mean this as a knock on your last post, but just a general observation. It seems so many people don't understand utility or other means that benefit the group in indirect ways.
For me, I find that warden is one of if not the best utility jobs that while it may not have the best single target damage it brings so much more to a group.
Especially bow/bow.
1. can stay out of range of big Aoe boss damage and can heal themselves meaning the healer can put all their mp to use on the game.
2. can clear trash mobs very fast and can clear groups of trash mobs and adds even faster.
3. Can alternate their bars to add more utility and not give up that much damage, eg adding vines or fortress, or even slotting the healing or defensive ultimates instead of bear.
4. We can be very self sufficient in protecting ourselves.
5. Can kite for a very long time with birds of prey and our great stamina regen while still laying down aoe traps.
i have gone into dungeons and made adjustments after getting wiped fast and by changing a couple skills on warden we end up easily beating the dungeon and did not lose a lot of damage by doing so.
I love the job and i will never check my single target dps because i think for the most part, its irrelevant.0 -
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✭✭its just I'm running the recommended sets and everything, if I could just see a person who reaches 30k show me their rotation I could know what to emulate.
There is rotation listed in the thread and I cant record video. But if you are on PC EU, I may find time to do some basic demonstration.0 -
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✭i am running automaton and spriggins. So far so good.
Acid spray is so great at eliminating trash mobs.
I run cliff, caltrops, (either birds of prey or fortress depending on how hard the fights are) vigor and beetles. on front
Being that is my spam bar i have a lot of the pet line on front bar for the extra damage that the passive gives. I love birds of prey. get 8+2% damage, plus stamina regen and speed boost all in one skill. Perfect for delves, farming and easy dungeons. To me its one of the best skill warden has.
on back bar
injection, hail, acid spray, lotus and netch.
i start at ranged and hit my buffs. launch hail and injection, switch, hit birds of prey and beetles. if i need aoe i go back to acid spray, if not i spam cliff.
i enjoy it.
dont you get the same buff for stam regen through potions and major expedition via sets like vo or roll dodging?0 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭its just I'm running the recommended sets and everything, if I could just see a person who reaches 30k show me their rotation I could know what to emulate.
my rotation to get >30k is quite complex, as I just created it while theory crafting. LA =Light Attack, HA = Heavy attack
Fortress(What I use)/BoP/Defense over time -> Bar swap -> Beetles, LA, Lotus, LA, Netch, LA, Beetles, LA, Poison injection, LA, Bird, LA beetles, Bar swap, LA, Hail, LA, Caltrops, LA, trap, LA, Bear, bar swap, LA beetles, HA, Poison injection, LA (HA if needed) beetles, Bar swap, LA, Hail, LA, Caltrops, LA trap, LA repeat0 -
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dont you get the same buff for stam regen through potions and major expedition via sets like vo or roll dodging?
as of now i am still leveling up alchemy and dont use potions, yet. Slowly getting there. doubt i would bother doing that for farming anyways. i can solo some dungeons easy enough without using anything.
still learning some of the mechanics i admit.Edited by xbobx on January 29, 2018 4:15PM0 -
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as of now i am still leveling up alchemy and dont use potions, yet. Slowly getting there. doubt i would bother doing that for farming anyways. i can solo some dungeons easy enough without using anything.
still learning some of the mechanics i admit.
you can get to 1 to 50 with about 10-30k worth of alchemy mats in guild stores.0 -
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you can get to 1 to 50 with about 10-30k worth of alchemy mats in guild stores.
i am almost there, i actually ran out of skill points, just have to get a few more and i have been a bit lazy.0 -
Sugram22✭✭✭with my NB archer i used acid spray in the past, it just eats away my stam so fast when i spam spray so i haven't used it for a while cause i noticed i do a lot better without using it, my stam is max & descant stam regen to, same like DW skill steel tornado
wardens animal skills should have 3th morph option, morph in to poison, good match poison dam pow poison animals
Edited by Sugram22 on July 20, 2018 9:08PM0 -
Sugram22✭✭✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »You can pull well over 30k no problem on a Bow/Bow Warden, I get 35k on mine. However as I only play Warden occasionally let me refer you to someone I know who is more proficient with them than I. @SodanTok is the person you want to talk to, additionally to save time you can check out a thread they started:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381498/everything-needed-to-know-about-bow-bow-in-pve#latest
On the other hand if you have questions about DK Bow/Bow for end game PVE or PVP, or Bow/Bow on any class in VMA I could provide more specific help.
The most common shortcoming for DPS I see from other players is missed light attacks and light weaves, that just takes practice. Second to that is a poor rotation that does not maximize DoT uptime.
light attacks u mean normal attacks without skill? i never use them, i always spam skills, only with magic builds with staves i use normal attacks to sometimes, depends how much MP i am using, so mostly in lower lvl's cause in lower lvl mp depletes faster & staff attack helps me regen mp, but stam builds never use normal attacks cause they are weak & pointless
no idea what light waves are, on this forum i often see lang i don't get0 -
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light attacks u mean normal attacks without skill? i never use them, i always spam skills, only with magic builds with staves i use normal attacks to sometimes, depends how much MP i am using, so mostly in lower lvl's cause in lower lvl mp depletes faster & staff attack helps me regen mp, but stam builds never use normal attacks cause they are weak & pointless
no idea what light waves are, on this forum i often see lang i don't get
Well there is your problem. Light attack weaving makes the difference between a 20k parse and a 30k parse. Especially on a bow/bow build. But it applies to any build.
Here is weaving in a nutshell: every skill in ESO has a 0.9 second global cooldown. So once you've used a skill you are not able to use another one for 0.9 seconds. Block, bash, dodge, bar swap, light attacks and heavy attacks do not follow that cooldown though. So you are able to use "Light attack" ---> "Any skill" and the light attack animation will be cancelled by the skill animation but the light attack will still happen. This takes the same exact amount of time as just using the skill alone. So your rotation always looks like that LA --> skill --> LA --> skill and so on.
On bow light attacks are necessary since they proc Hawk Eye passive which increases your damage with bow abilities. They are also important for sets like Relequen. And on a proper parse light attack should be around 10-15% DPS of your total DPS.
So yeah, your 30k parse is waiting behind the light attack weaving gate. Get to learning. You can find additional infromation on weaving on youtube and forums. There is a lot of good guides.1 -
Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
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light attacks u mean normal attacks without skill? i never use them, i always spam skills, only with magic builds with staves i use normal attacks to sometimes, depends how much MP i am using, so mostly in lower lvl's cause in lower lvl mp depletes faster & staff attack helps me regen mp, but stam builds never use normal attacks cause they are weak & pointless
no idea what light waves are, on this forum i often see lang i don't get
There is a global cool down on skills of one second, meaning you cannot actually fire two skills within one second. There are ways to sort of work around this, for instance casting Snipe then Poison Injection. The trick is that Snipe has a 1 second cast time, so by the time it launches you are able to cast another skill immediately.
The global cool down allows for a light attack and bash/dodgeroll/block to be used within the same time period as the skill. For PVE dps you want to "light weave" which is to weave in light attacks between skills, this allows the light attack and skill to both fit within the global cool down. This increases your damage per second because you are getting in an extra attack(the light attack) with every skill, this is very important for Bow play in PVE situations because of the Hawk Eye passive.
The Hawk Eye passive increases your damage with all bow abilities(light and heavy attacks included) by 5% for each stack, stacking up to 5 times for a total increase of 25%. However this passive buff only lasts 5 seconds, so you need to land a light attack every 5 seconds in order to stack the buff up and keep it stacked. As I said above the most common short coming I see is players refusing to light weave or missing light attacks due to positioning or targeting. This is very common among players who struggle to reach 30k dps.Edited by Toc de Malsvi on July 21, 2018 12:51AMLegendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..0 -
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with my cat vamp archer NB stam i have camouflage hunter, ofc not currently slotted cause i don't have some skill lines maxed that i want to max out
i do use trap beast to sometimes, good VS mission mini bosses
& i am considering making Bosmer archer warden, not vampire at some point, last new char (unless i del one, but i doubt i will), then i have 10 total, one is crafter only, don't play it much
but i think i will have 2 bow skills in mane hand, Snipe & poison injection
they should make endless hail do poison dam, it use to be fire, but poison suits better
but for warden circle of protection & exp hunter don't fit together cause not enough slots, witch is better for archer warden?Edited by Sugram22 on July 21, 2018 3:17PM0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L327LsoGLo