What's the purpose of Medium/Light Armor Focus?

Amdar_Godkiller

It doesn't seem like this could ever be useful.

In order for the armor focus stars to be better than or equal to elemental defender/Hardy, your physical/spell resistance must be over 30,800. At this point I'm getting 8% physical or spell resistance for 100 CP in any star. This is possible with heavy armor, but with medium and light, it's incredibly difficult and unlikely to find a use.

Why not combine all the armor focus stars or replace them with something desirable?


On a side note, the one that lowers the cost of sneak probably isn't necessary either, as sneak cost is already incredibly affordable.

Taleof2Cities

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

Amdar_Godkiller

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

For the first 75 points or so (however many it takes to get to 14%), it will always be better to invest in Hardy and elemental defender. That is, after you've invested in thick-skinned and ironclad. There's absolutely no reason to invest in light/medium armor focus until you have 75 points in hardy and elemental defender and 82 points in thick-skinned and ironclad. That's 314 CP, which at our current pace, won't be available til 2020.

Peekachu99

It was much more valuable when it was percentage based. Flat value killed the value—no wordplay intended.

Danksta

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

For the first 75 points or so (however many it takes to get to 14%), it will always be better to invest in Hardy and elemental defender. That is, after you've invested in thick-skinned and ironclad. There's absolutely no reason to invest in light/medium armor focus until you have 75 points in hardy and elemental defender and 82 points in thick-skinned and ironclad. That's 314 CP, which at our current pace, won't be available til 2020.

But there's no reason for a Templar in PvP to invest so heavily into thick skinned. And as a Breton Templar I have pretty high spell resistances so mostly invest in defenses against physical damage. Also light armor focus doesn't have jump points.

Amdar_Godkiller

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

For the first 75 points or so (however many it takes to get to 14%), it will always be better to invest in Hardy and elemental defender. That is, after you've invested in thick-skinned and ironclad. There's absolutely no reason to invest in light/medium armor focus until you have 75 points in hardy and elemental defender and 82 points in thick-skinned and ironclad. That's 314 CP, which at our current pace, won't be available til 2020.

But there's no reason for a Templar in PvP to invest so heavily into thick skinned. And as a Breton Templar I have pretty high spell resistances so mostly invest in defenses against physical damage. Also light armor focus doesn't have jump points.

That's cool if you don't want to invest in thick-skinned, But since you mentioned light armor focus, I'm assuming you're a magplar, and thus would benefit much more from the critical resistance star or either quick recovery or bastion. Even assuming that light armor focus is 4th best for resistance. You'd still be better off with 232 invested in Ele Defender (75), Hardy (75), and Iron clad (82). Quick recovery stacks multiplicatively with templar healing done bonuses, fwiw.

Danksta

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

For the first 75 points or so (however many it takes to get to 14%), it will always be better to invest in Hardy and elemental defender. That is, after you've invested in thick-skinned and ironclad. There's absolutely no reason to invest in light/medium armor focus until you have 75 points in hardy and elemental defender and 82 points in thick-skinned and ironclad. That's 314 CP, which at our current pace, won't be available til 2020.

But there's no reason for a Templar in PvP to invest so heavily into thick skinned. And as a Breton Templar I have pretty high spell resistances so mostly invest in defenses against physical damage. Also light armor focus doesn't have jump points.

That's cool if you don't want to invest in thick-skinned, But since you mentioned light armor focus, I'm assuming you're a magplar, and thus would benefit much more from the critical resistance star or either quick recovery or bastion. Even assuming that light armor focus is 4th best for resistance. You'd still be better off with 232 invested in Ele Defender (75), Hardy (75), and Iron clad (82). Quick recovery stacks multiplicatively with templar healing done bonuses, fwiw.

Not sure why I'd invest so heavily into ele defender when it's typically stamina builds that give me issues and not sure why I'd put any points into bastion if I don't run a shield...

I don't run much into quick recovery either since defile isn't much of an issue for me.

Edit- I also run at 2500 crit resist

Taleof2Cities

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

That's cool if you don't want to invest in thick-skinned, But since you mentioned light armor focus, I'm assuming you're a magplar, and thus would benefit much more from the critical resistance star or either quick recovery or bastion. Even assuming that light armor focus is 4th best for resistance. You'd still be better off with 232 invested in Ele Defender (75), Hardy (75), and Iron clad (82). Quick recovery stacks multiplicatively with templar healing done bonuses, fwiw.

What if a build is already accounting for crit resist in wearing pieces of impenetrable gear? You don’t need investment in CP (or little investment).

Quick recovery is far harder to accumulate in CP than through other means (i.e. skills and gear).

Bottom line: Saying these stars are not useful across all builds and playstyles is a bit of a stretch ... don’t you think?

Amdar_Godkiller

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

For the first 75 points or so (however many it takes to get to 14%), it will always be better to invest in Hardy and elemental defender. That is, after you've invested in thick-skinned and ironclad. There's absolutely no reason to invest in light/medium armor focus until you have 75 points in hardy and elemental defender and 82 points in thick-skinned and ironclad. That's 314 CP, which at our current pace, won't be available til 2020.

But there's no reason for a Templar in PvP to invest so heavily into thick skinned. And as a Breton Templar I have pretty high spell resistances so mostly invest in defenses against physical damage. Also light armor focus doesn't have jump points.

That's cool if you don't want to invest in thick-skinned, But since you mentioned light armor focus, I'm assuming you're a magplar, and thus would benefit much more from the critical resistance star or either quick recovery or bastion. Even assuming that light armor focus is 4th best for resistance. You'd still be better off with 232 invested in Ele Defender (75), Hardy (75), and Iron clad (82). Quick recovery stacks multiplicatively with templar healing done bonuses, fwiw.

Not sure why I'd invest so heavily into ele defender when it's typically stamina builds that give me issues and not sure why I'd put any points into bastion if I don't run a shield...

I don't run much into quick recovery either since defile isn't much of an issue for me.

Because then mag builds would do even less damage to you, so if you were being attacked by two magsorcs and a stamnb, you'd reduce the damage from all of their attacks most efficiently.

Not sure what defile has do with anything. Bigger heals are cheaper heals, and cheaper heals are always better.

By putting any points in light armor focus, you do realize you are weakening the mitigation provided by hardy and ironclad, right?

So you should have at least 157 CP in those two, and then you're going to invest in something that makes those 157 CP less valuable rather than something that makes them more useful?

SirAndy

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Bottom line: Saying these stars are not useful across all builds and playstyles is a bit of a stretch ... don’t you think?

You've been here long enough, you should know better! Repeat after me:
"If i have no use for it it's utterly worthless trash and completely pointless"

Jhalin

You get 1% more from 64 to 75 allocation points in most nodes, and those 10 points have much more value in any other defensive node than trying to inch out the tiniest increase from an overloaded one. Physical Resistance is obtained through the armor focus nodes while Spell Resistance is obtained in a single one.

Honestly it's a waste to dump any more than 64 points into a single star. Wasting 15 points for a 1% increase, that's just plain stupid and worth far less than a few thousand resistances.

Amdar_Godkiller

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

That's cool if you don't want to invest in thick-skinned, But since you mentioned light armor focus, I'm assuming you're a magplar, and thus would benefit much more from the critical resistance star or either quick recovery or bastion. Even assuming that light armor focus is 4th best for resistance. You'd still be better off with 232 invested in Ele Defender (75), Hardy (75), and Iron clad (82). Quick recovery stacks multiplicatively with templar healing done bonuses, fwiw.

What if a build is already accounting for crit resist in wearing pieces of impenetrable gear? You don’t need investment in CP (or little investment).

Quick recovery is far harder to accumulate in CP than through other means (i.e. skills and gear).

Bottom line: Saying these stars are not useful across all builds and playstyles is a bit of a stretch ... don’t you think?

No I don't think that is the case at all. I think that using them is an indication that people don't understand the game mechanics and how mitigation is calculated.


Quick recovery is additive with other healing received buffs and multiplicative with other healing buffs, so it's an incredibly powerful champion point star. It's equal to an OP 5 piece set bonus.

100 CP in quick recovery will boost your self healing more than the ritual mundus with 7 divines. It's ridiculously OP compared to armor focus, which provides 8% physical resistance, which is less total mitigation than you'd get from 1 piece of Chudan armor.

And 7 impens only mitigates 25% of crit damage. Everyone needs at least 50 CP there.

Amdar_Godkiller

Jhalin wrote: »

It's a waste to dump any more than 64 points into a single star.

I agree, and that's why I don't. I actually don't put more than 50 CP in ele defender, hardy, thick-skinned, or ironclad, because I put a lot in resistant and quick recovery. That's kind of the point. There's no reason for the armor focus stars because the benefit gained is so much less than the other options. And even if you have a build that uses them, why split them into 3 different ones? That removes the choice from your build because your armor will always dictate the CP in which you invest.

Danksta

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

For the first 75 points or so (however many it takes to get to 14%), it will always be better to invest in Hardy and elemental defender. That is, after you've invested in thick-skinned and ironclad. There's absolutely no reason to invest in light/medium armor focus until you have 75 points in hardy and elemental defender and 82 points in thick-skinned and ironclad. That's 314 CP, which at our current pace, won't be available til 2020.

But there's no reason for a Templar in PvP to invest so heavily into thick skinned. And as a Breton Templar I have pretty high spell resistances so mostly invest in defenses against physical damage. Also light armor focus doesn't have jump points.

That's cool if you don't want to invest in thick-skinned, But since you mentioned light armor focus, I'm assuming you're a magplar, and thus would benefit much more from the critical resistance star or either quick recovery or bastion. Even assuming that light armor focus is 4th best for resistance. You'd still be better off with 232 invested in Ele Defender (75), Hardy (75), and Iron clad (82). Quick recovery stacks multiplicatively with templar healing done bonuses, fwiw.

Not sure why I'd invest so heavily into ele defender when it's typically stamina builds that give me issues and not sure why I'd put any points into bastion if I don't run a shield...

I don't run much into quick recovery either since defile isn't much of an issue for me.

Because then mag builds would do even less damage to you, so if you were being attacked by two magsorcs and a stamnb, you'd reduce the damage from all of their attacks most efficiently.

Not sure what defile has do with anything. Bigger heals are cheaper heals, and cheaper heals are always better.

By putting any points in light armor focus, you do realize you are weakening the mitigation provided by hardy and ironclad, right?

So you should have at least 157 CP in those two, and then you're going to invest in something that makes those 157 CP less valuable rather than something that makes them more useful?

Honestly, I'm not very good at PvP so if I catch myself in a 1v3 I'm pretty much *** anyway unless I do some masterful kiting (which I'm still learning to do properly). I'm just saying that there's more to builds than math. Math is really important for it and I wish I understood the maths of ESO as well as you seem to, but there are definitely other factors. And fwiw I agree that light/medium armor focus are weaker than some of the other options of which to invest your CP and it's not something I'd normally invest in, but I felt it was a good choice for this build considering the 7k-ish difference in my spell and physical resistances.

Plus, maybe some time in the future we'll get a trial with heavy physical/poison damage and little magicka damage making it more useful.

Amdar_Godkiller

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

For the first 75 points or so (however many it takes to get to 14%), it will always be better to invest in Hardy and elemental defender. That is, after you've invested in thick-skinned and ironclad. There's absolutely no reason to invest in light/medium armor focus until you have 75 points in hardy and elemental defender and 82 points in thick-skinned and ironclad. That's 314 CP, which at our current pace, won't be available til 2020.

But there's no reason for a Templar in PvP to invest so heavily into thick skinned. And as a Breton Templar I have pretty high spell resistances so mostly invest in defenses against physical damage. Also light armor focus doesn't have jump points.

That's cool if you don't want to invest in thick-skinned, But since you mentioned light armor focus, I'm assuming you're a magplar, and thus would benefit much more from the critical resistance star or either quick recovery or bastion. Even assuming that light armor focus is 4th best for resistance. You'd still be better off with 232 invested in Ele Defender (75), Hardy (75), and Iron clad (82). Quick recovery stacks multiplicatively with templar healing done bonuses, fwiw.

Not sure why I'd invest so heavily into ele defender when it's typically stamina builds that give me issues and not sure why I'd put any points into bastion if I don't run a shield...

I don't run much into quick recovery either since defile isn't much of an issue for me.

Because then mag builds would do even less damage to you, so if you were being attacked by two magsorcs and a stamnb, you'd reduce the damage from all of their attacks most efficiently.

Not sure what defile has do with anything. Bigger heals are cheaper heals, and cheaper heals are always better.

By putting any points in light armor focus, you do realize you are weakening the mitigation provided by hardy and ironclad, right?

So you should have at least 157 CP in those two, and then you're going to invest in something that makes those 157 CP less valuable rather than something that makes them more useful?

Honestly, I'm not very good at PvP so if I catch myself in a 1v3 I'm pretty much *** anyway unless I do some masterful kiting (which I'm still learning to do properly). I'm just saying that there's more to builds than math. Math is really important for it and I wish I understood the maths of ESO as well as you seem to, but there are definitely other factors. And fwiw I agree that light/medium armor focus are weaker than some of the other options of which to invest your CP and it's not something I'd normally invest in, but I felt it was a good choice for this build considering the 7k-ish difference in my spell and physical resistances.

Plus, maybe some time in the future we'll get a trial with heavy physical/poison damage and little magicka damage making it more useful.

My main reason for posting is that it's really frustrating how many factors work against you as a medium armor wearer. This is just one of them, but I find it really hard to imagine a time when I would look at "medium armor focus" as anything but a complete waste of a champion point star.

Dodge chance would make a lot more sense as medium armor CP-investment, and I wanted to brainstorm with the community on other options.

Perhaps "light armor focus" can have some marginal usage, but in general, it's at the very least one of the weakest red CP options.

Minno

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

It's a waste to dump any more than 64 points into a single star.

I agree, and that's why I don't. I actually don't put more than 50 CP in ele defender, hardy, thick-skinned, or ironclad, because I put a lot in resistant and quick recovery. That's kind of the point. There's no reason for the armor focus stars because the benefit gained is so much less than the other options. And even if you have a build that uses them, why split them into 3 different ones? That removes the choice from your build because your armor will always dictate the CP in which you invest.

The benefit is to help yourself from being completed penetrated by armor debuffs in cyro.

Sure you'll get more mitigation from the percentages, but at some point all those percentages will only take off so much if you have zero armor:
- you have 15000 physical armor in light armor. Completely armor debuffed by 15280. But you have 23% Ironclad, 10% Hardy and 16% thick skin.
- you have 18000 light armor, after 15280 debuff, you'll have 4% DMG mitigation (2720). But you'll have 20% ironclad, 10% thick skin, but remain at 10% hardy with around 20-30 points in LA focus.

So you trade 3% ironclad for 4% mitigation on all physical DMG sources (except bleeds). And conversely, you'll lose only 2% on physical dots (except bleeds would be total of 6% lose). But 2% lose on a small poison tick is like a difference of 120 damage (depending on the tick; I used a simple 2k tick).

Therefore if your build hates bleeds, better to keep thick skin higher. But if your dying to instant cast high DMG stuff and aren't built to block all the time, better to get armor (most people aren't running penetration anymore in cyro).

I still wouldn't do more than 30 points in that armor focus. You lose too much for the gains.

Danksta

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

Danksta wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I use light armor focus for the extra resists in PvP ... in Cyrodiil you’ll take all the physical/spell resists you can get your hands on.

Also remember there are diminishing returns the higher you allocate CP into a single star. 10 points into light armor focus in some cases is better than 10 more points into hardy.

For the first 75 points or so (however many it takes to get to 14%), it will always be better to invest in Hardy and elemental defender. That is, after you've invested in thick-skinned and ironclad. There's absolutely no reason to invest in light/medium armor focus until you have 75 points in hardy and elemental defender and 82 points in thick-skinned and ironclad. That's 314 CP, which at our current pace, won't be available til 2020.

But there's no reason for a Templar in PvP to invest so heavily into thick skinned. And as a Breton Templar I have pretty high spell resistances so mostly invest in defenses against physical damage. Also light armor focus doesn't have jump points.

That's cool if you don't want to invest in thick-skinned, But since you mentioned light armor focus, I'm assuming you're a magplar, and thus would benefit much more from the critical resistance star or either quick recovery or bastion. Even assuming that light armor focus is 4th best for resistance. You'd still be better off with 232 invested in Ele Defender (75), Hardy (75), and Iron clad (82). Quick recovery stacks multiplicatively with templar healing done bonuses, fwiw.

Not sure why I'd invest so heavily into ele defender when it's typically stamina builds that give me issues and not sure why I'd put any points into bastion if I don't run a shield...

I don't run much into quick recovery either since defile isn't much of an issue for me.

Because then mag builds would do even less damage to you, so if you were being attacked by two magsorcs and a stamnb, you'd reduce the damage from all of their attacks most efficiently.

Not sure what defile has do with anything. Bigger heals are cheaper heals, and cheaper heals are always better.

By putting any points in light armor focus, you do realize you are weakening the mitigation provided by hardy and ironclad, right?

So you should have at least 157 CP in those two, and then you're going to invest in something that makes those 157 CP less valuable rather than something that makes them more useful?

Honestly, I'm not very good at PvP so if I catch myself in a 1v3 I'm pretty much *** anyway unless I do some masterful kiting (which I'm still learning to do properly). I'm just saying that there's more to builds than math. Math is really important for it and I wish I understood the maths of ESO as well as you seem to, but there are definitely other factors. And fwiw I agree that light/medium armor focus are weaker than some of the other options of which to invest your CP and it's not something I'd normally invest in, but I felt it was a good choice for this build considering the 7k-ish difference in my spell and physical resistances.

Plus, maybe some time in the future we'll get a trial with heavy physical/poison damage and little magicka damage making it more useful.

My main reason for posting is that it's really frustrating how many factors work against you as a medium armor wearer. This is just one of them, but I find it really hard to imagine a time when I would look at "medium armor focus" as anything but a complete waste of a champion point star.

Dodge chance would make a lot more sense as medium armor CP-investment, and I wanted to brainstorm with the community on other options.

Perhaps "light armor focus" can have some marginal usage, but in general, it's at the very least one of the weakest red CP options.

They could certainly lump the light/medium/heavy armor focus all into one like they have with spell shield. Then they could give us a couple more options for what we can invest our CPs into. I could totally get on board with something like that.

Amdar_Godkiller

Minno wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

It's a waste to dump any more than 64 points into a single star.

I agree, and that's why I don't. I actually don't put more than 50 CP in ele defender, hardy, thick-skinned, or ironclad, because I put a lot in resistant and quick recovery. That's kind of the point. There's no reason for the armor focus stars because the benefit gained is so much less than the other options. And even if you have a build that uses them, why split them into 3 different ones? That removes the choice from your build because your armor will always dictate the CP in which you invest.

The benefit is to help yourself from being completed penetrated by armor debuffs in cyro.

Sure you'll get more mitigation from the percentages, but at some point all those percentages will only take off so much if you have zero armor:
- you have 15000 physical armor in light armor. Completely armor debuffed by 15280. But you have 23% Ironclad, 10% Hardy and 16% thick skin.
- you have 18000 light armor, after 15280 debuff, you'll have 4% DMG mitigation (2720). But you'll have 20% ironclad, 10% thick skin, but remain at 10% hardy with around 20-30 points in LA focus.

So you trade 3% ironclad for 4% mitigation on all physical DMG sources (except bleeds). And conversely, you'll lose only 2% on physical dots (except bleeds would be total of 6% lose). But 2% lose on a small poison tick is like a difference of 120 damage (depending on the tick; I used a simple 2k tick).

Therefore if your build hates bleeds, better to keep thick skin higher. But if your dying to instant cast high DMG stuff and aren't built to block all the time, better to get armor (most people aren't running penetration anymore in cyro).

I still wouldn't do more than 30 points in that armor focus. You lose too much for the gains.

That's a good point about penetration and resistance debuffs, but doesn't that make the armor focus CP even more useless, since the other 4 champion stars are permanent forms of mitigation?