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An open letter to the combat design team at ZOS: I'm sorry.
Pr0Skygon
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To the combat design team at Zenimax Online Studio @ZOS_Wrobel ,
Yesterday I posted a thread, talking about how unreasonable and wrong your team is doing, to be more specific, is how misguided you guys are leading the game balance.
Well I can honestly say that my point was quite misleading, but my attitude and presentation of the subject was unreasonably harsh, unprofessional and might have crossed the line. That thread has been taken down not long ago.
Please do understand, this is not the type of apologize for forgiveness, or begging you guys at ZOS in any shape of form. I'm writing this "letter" simply because it is the right thing to do. I'm quite lucky for not getting any punishment actually. But for someone who the sole purpose was to voice the community long lasting problems, I might have instead fused a spark of negativity among the forum instead, and I'm sorry for that.
Despite all that, I must say my disagreement with how you guys at ZOS at leading the game is still not resolved, though I promise to present my point of view in a more constructive and appropriate manner. If you desire evidences, actual numbers and reasons, then I'd be happy to provide those.
Good day.
Yesterday I posted a thread, talking about how unreasonable and wrong your team is doing, to be more specific, is how misguided you guys are leading the game balance.
Well I can honestly say that my point was quite misleading, but my attitude and presentation of the subject was unreasonably harsh, unprofessional and might have crossed the line. That thread has been taken down not long ago.
Please do understand, this is not the type of apologize for forgiveness, or begging you guys at ZOS in any shape of form. I'm writing this "letter" simply because it is the right thing to do. I'm quite lucky for not getting any punishment actually. But for someone who the sole purpose was to voice the community long lasting problems, I might have instead fused a spark of negativity among the forum instead, and I'm sorry for that.
Despite all that, I must say my disagreement with how you guys at ZOS at leading the game is still not resolved, though I promise to present my point of view in a more constructive and appropriate manner. If you desire evidences, actual numbers and reasons, then I'd be happy to provide those.
Good day.
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Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Consider yourself lucky. I've been banned for some pretty trivial stuff on here
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xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You sir, do not represent the voice of my thoughts and I do not recognize you as my spokesman, please refrain from generalizing your point of view as of "community point of view" for I am more than sure a lot of people might share your point of view but many more do not and it is an insult to put all of us in the same group where you speak for us.17 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Is this about DKs and their current meta?
Asking for a friend ...
Not just DKs, but overall meta 0 -
Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »You sir, do not represent the voice of my thoughts and I do not recognize you as my spokesman, please refrain from generalizing your point of view as of "community point of view" for I am more than sure a lot of people might share your point of view but many more do not and it is an insult to put all of us in the same group where you speak for us.
I think that’s the biggest issue many of us had with that thread: his self-nomination as the “voice of the people.” I found his claims specious and inflammatory.3 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »You sir, do not represent the voice of my thoughts and I do not recognize you as my spokesman, please refrain from generalizing your point of view as of "community point of view" for I am more than sure a lot of people might share your point of view but many more do not and it is an insult to put all of us in the same group where you speak for us.
"voice the community long lasting problems" meaning "tell ZOS about common issue that keeps on being ignored on forum". I'm not representing you, nor anyone here in this forum. I simply repeat common issues, and that's it.0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you're really interested in helping start making lists with all the problems and compiling things in a way the combat team can look over them and see where the issues are.
However the key thing is to understand the difference between what's actually an issue, under or over performing ability or set and what's just player desire or distaste for change.
/bug and /feedback also work well as these get logged on ZOS' end.
If you missed it Wrobel was on ESO Live last Friday and spoke about how they like to get feedback.
https://youtu.be/ZDbzTZDflC8?t=4142 @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."4 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭If you're really interested in helping start making lists with all the problems and compiling things in a way the combat team can look over them and see where the issues are.
However the key thing is to understand the difference between what's actually an issue, under or over performing ability or set and what's just player desire or distaste for change.
/bug and /feedback also work well as these get logged on ZOS' end.
If you missed it Wrobel was on ESO Live last Friday and spoke about how they like to get feedback.https://youtu.be/ZDbzTZDflC8?t=4142
Thanks I'll look into that. 0 -
charley222✭✭✭✭oh thx i miss this going to take a good coffee and watch this
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CapnPhoton✭✭✭✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »You sir, do not represent the voice of my thoughts and I do not recognize you as my spokesman, please refrain from generalizing your point of view as of "community point of view" for I am more than sure a lot of people might share your point of view but many more do not and it is an insult to put all of us in the same group where you speak for us.
I think that’s the biggest issue many of us had with that thread: his self-nomination as the “voice of the people.” I found his claims specious and inflammatory.
Agreed. Creating a thread claiming without knowing, that all of us are in agreement is presumptuous. There is too much of this kind of assumptive talk in the world. But it is definitely not the first time this has been done here. Then to create another thread about it after the first one is closed, is just asking for trouble. But by looking at the OP's other threads I think the assumption that we are all on the bandwagon is made a lot. Perhaps create a thread about your opinions without suggesting we all feel the same way, then leave others to make up their mind.Edited by CapnPhoton on January 23, 2018 7:43PMXbox One NA Aldmeri Dominion1 -
Valykc✭✭✭✭✭To the combat design team at Zenimax Online Studio @ZOS_Wrobel ,
Yesterday I posted a thread, talking about how unreasonable and wrong your team is doing, to be more specific, is how misguided you guys are leading the game balance.
Well I can honestly say that my point was quite misleading, but my attitude and presentation of the subject was unreasonably harsh, unprofessional and might have crossed the line. That thread has been taken down not long ago.
Please do understand, this is not the type of apologize for forgiveness, or begging you guys at ZOS in any shape of form. I'm writing this "letter" simply because it is the right thing to do. I'm quite lucky for not getting any punishment actually. But for someone who the sole purpose was to voice the community long lasting problems, I might have instead fused a spark of negativity among the forum instead, and I'm sorry for that.
Despite all that, I must say my disagreement with how you guys at ZOS at leading the game is still not resolved, though I promise to present my point of view in a more constructive and appropriate manner. If you desire evidences, actual numbers and reasons, then I'd be happy to provide those.
Good day.
I read your post yesterday, it wasn’t harsh, nor should you have been punished for it. Your thread spoke real truth about the state of the game and it’s not you that’s spreading negativity, it is ZOS by ignoring their community, or in this case burying constructive criticism instead of actually listening and my asking veteran players to help get the game back in shape.
ZOS will close your thread that points out the continuous flaws that reoccur every patch, the feedback that is ignored, or nerfs that are completely uncalled for. But I guarantee they won’t put forth the time to thank you for apologizing, even though you didn’t have to but you did because you knew it was the right thing to do.
They refuse to separate PvP and PvE and it’s killing the game. They refuse to balance the game without CP in mind, and CP is a major problem. They refuse to acknowledge the lag, performance, or gameplay problems people are continually facing. It may have been “harsh” truth that you laid out yesterday but it was REAL truth, don’t hang your head low for standing up for a game that you love and want to succeed.Edited by Valykc on January 24, 2018 1:53AM2 -
charley222✭✭✭✭To the combat design team at Zenimax Online Studio @ZOS_Wrobel ,
Yesterday I posted a thread, talking about how unreasonable and wrong your team is doing, to be more specific, is how misguided you guys are leading the game balance.
Well I can honestly say that my point was quite misleading, but my attitude and presentation of the subject was unreasonably harsh, unprofessional and might have crossed the line. That thread has been taken down not long ago.
Please do understand, this is not the type of apologize for forgiveness, or begging you guys at ZOS in any shape of form. I'm writing this "letter" simply because it is the right thing to do. I'm quite lucky for not getting any punishment actually. But for someone who the sole purpose was to voice the community long lasting problems, I might have instead fused a spark of negativity among the forum instead, and I'm sorry for that.
Despite all that, I must say my disagreement with how you guys at ZOS at leading the game is still not resolved, though I promise to present my point of view in a more constructive and appropriate manner. If you desire evidences, actual numbers and reasons, then I'd be happy to provide those.
Good day.
why you apologize if you feel what your saying is right ??? a lot of player are agree the combat is the main issue in this game and every one know who is take care of combat go on youtube google reddit and you will find you are not alone , if Zenimax dont want to ear or control the opinion of costomer they maybe better just to close the forum , about me never i stay to a job where people are not satisfied of my job , i always put a smile on the face on people the time they asking me something , but here is not the case in my opinion most of the time is disappointment is sad because all other aspect of the game is greatEdited by charley222 on January 24, 2018 2:16AMthe wall of the covenant1 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Consider yourself lucky. I've been banned for some pretty trivial stuff on here
I have had "warnings". Usually because someone seems too think that sarcasm or honesty is bait but idk. I am a very cynical and sarcastic person so its like....."wahhhhhh?" lol
I think the last one though or the important on was around the time of the PTS notes for morrowind, I was fairly annoyed with the resource changes too the point where I was actually flat out raging, soooooo yeah maybe i deserved a warning or w.e.
Really wish they didnt delete my post though especially considering it was incredibly long with a huuuuuge amount of points too it.Edited by xeNNNNN on January 24, 2018 2:26AMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭charley222 wrote: »To the combat design team at Zenimax Online Studio @ZOS_Wrobel ,
Yesterday I posted a thread, talking about how unreasonable and wrong your team is doing, to be more specific, is how misguided you guys are leading the game balance.
Well I can honestly say that my point was quite misleading, but my attitude and presentation of the subject was unreasonably harsh, unprofessional and might have crossed the line. That thread has been taken down not long ago.
Please do understand, this is not the type of apologize for forgiveness, or begging you guys at ZOS in any shape of form. I'm writing this "letter" simply because it is the right thing to do. I'm quite lucky for not getting any punishment actually. But for someone who the sole purpose was to voice the community long lasting problems, I might have instead fused a spark of negativity among the forum instead, and I'm sorry for that.
Despite all that, I must say my disagreement with how you guys at ZOS at leading the game is still not resolved, though I promise to present my point of view in a more constructive and appropriate manner. If you desire evidences, actual numbers and reasons, then I'd be happy to provide those.
Good day.
why you apologize if you feel what your saying is right ??? a lot of player are agree the combat is the main issue in this game and every one know who is take care of combat go on youtube google reddit and you will find you are not alone , if Zenimax dont want to ear or control the opinion of costomer they maybe better just to close the forum , about me never i stay to a job where people are not satisfied of my job , i always put a smile on the face on people the time they asking me something , but here is not the case in my opinion most of the time is disappointment is sad because all other aspect of the game is great
No no, I apologize for my poor attitude and how harsh I was The idea of that post wasn't the problem at all. 1 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭To the combat design team at Zenimax Online Studio @ZOS_Wrobel ,
Yesterday I posted a thread, talking about how unreasonable and wrong your team is doing, to be more specific, is how misguided you guys are leading the game balance.
Well I can honestly say that my point was quite misleading, but my attitude and presentation of the subject was unreasonably harsh, unprofessional and might have crossed the line. That thread has been taken down not long ago.
Please do understand, this is not the type of apologize for forgiveness, or begging you guys at ZOS in any shape of form. I'm writing this "letter" simply because it is the right thing to do. I'm quite lucky for not getting any punishment actually. But for someone who the sole purpose was to voice the community long lasting problems, I might have instead fused a spark of negativity among the forum instead, and I'm sorry for that.
Despite all that, I must say my disagreement with how you guys at ZOS at leading the game is still not resolved, though I promise to present my point of view in a more constructive and appropriate manner. If you desire evidences, actual numbers and reasons, then I'd be happy to provide those.
Good day.
I read your post yesterday, it wasn’t harsh, nor should you have been punished for it. Your thread spoke real truth about the state of the game and it’s not you that’s spreading negativity, it is ZOS by ignoring their community, or in this case burying constructive criticism instead of actually listening and my asking veteran players to help get the game back in shape.
ZOS will close your thread that points out the continuous flaws that reoccur every patch, the feedback that is ignored, or nerfs that are completely uncalled for. But I guarantee they won’t put forth the time to thank you for apologizing, even though you didn’t have to but you did because you knew it was the right thing to do.
They refuse to separate PvP and PvE and it’s killing the game. They refuse to balance the game without CP in mind, and CP is a major problem. They refuse to acknowledge the lag, performance, or gameplay problems people are continually facing. It may have been “harsh” truth that you laid out yesterday but it was REAL truth, don’t hang your head low for standing up for a game that you love and want to succeed.
Thanks for that buddy, but I suppose ZOS are humans too, and they have emotion. While my point might be correct, my attitude was consumed by anger, even I can reflect on that
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Caoimheal✭✭I think it's a little presumptuous to believe that anything you've said here on the forums will reach the development team let alone insult them! No one here is that important, I'm afraid.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLR25EJtfE
No really, I like it. 
