Murkmire Still In Production?

LickingHistSap

After the Craglorn debacle, it's pretty clear Zenimax isn't going to be making another group zone anytime soon, which is probably why we've heard nothing about Murkmire since it was first talked about...

But will it ever be released in the form of a Chapter or Orsinium-Style DLC? What are your thoughts/opinions?

DoctorESO

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Iccotak

As it stands it is being completely reworked because people were not a fan of how group focused Craglorn was.
So for now, many of the assets have been re-purposed for the "Shadows of the Hist" DLC.
Considering its possible size it could be a chapter a year or two from now.

However, I think with Summerset chapter, we are going to be seeing less EP related DLCs and more pertaining to AD and DC.
I love the Nords and Argonians but we had alot of EP related content this past year and I think we should give the spotlight to the other alliances.

LickingHistSap

Iccotak wrote: »

As it stands it is being completely reworked because people were not a fan of how group focused Craglorn was.
So for now, many of the assets have been re-purposed for the "Shadows of the Hist" DLC.
Considering its possible size it could be a chapter a year or two from now.

However, I think with Summerset chapter, we are going to be seeing less EP related DLCs and more pertaining to AD and DC.
I love the Nords and Argonians but we had alot of EP related content this past year and I think we should give the spotlight to the other alliances.

I'd agree, but I feel like the same could be said for DC a while ago. Initially we got Craglorn, Wrothgar, Hew's Bane, and The Gold Coast, all of which are in DC territory except for Gold Coast, which is Cyrodiil and neutral. Now we've had Morrowind, Clockwork, and a few Pact dungeons.

Really the only alliance that hasn't had the spotlight is AD, right now, which is being fixed by the Summerset Chapter.

Iccotak

@LickingHistSap
Then I would say that ZOS has a general pattern in mind. Probably switch between alliances for each year

Kiara

I will be incredibly pissed if they won't release it.

SisterGoat

They'll release it eventually. It only makes sense, as they have to fill up all the empty spaces on the map of Tamriel

sdtlc

Craglorn wasn't doable for the pleb, therefor we won't see anything like it anymore.

Nova Sky

With global warming having turned Murkmire into a desert, Zeni has had to do some reworking of the planned content.

Chaos2088

Yes it will come to the game at some time. The model has changed twice since it was planned/developed. Craglorn changed to a more solo-friendly rather than forced grping is number one. Then number two is chapters, murkmire might be turned into a chapter, so it would have to fit into what they have planned...

A game of this scale will have concepts for the next few years mapped out. Murkmire was shown, in game views, artwork all that jazz, it would be futile to just let it sit there and do nothing, plus a waste of resources and money on ZoS' part. So it will come out at some point...

....Just got to find the right way to fit it into the game now...

Part of a free update and make it like Craglorn? or make it like Vvardenfell? The logically thinking (from, my view) would be to wait and see how Vvardenfell and the next chapter went down and gather which do players like playing more...

BlazingDynamo

I liked Craglorn. It was super fun even if it was difficult for solo or small groups. Super sad knowing nothing of the sorts will ever come about again. I feel like a Craglorn dlc would have more success if released today. With zone chat and just far more knowledge of the game I don't think it would be as bad as people assume.

Seperatist

I think it's only matter of time, maybe one day as DLC or new chapter.

SodanTok

There is not unlimited land in Tamriel. So yes, one day they will release Murkmire.

It wont be related to promised Murkmire in any way. Waiting and expecting Murkmire is like expecting Elsweyr, rest of Skyrim, rest of Cyrodiil, rest of High Rock or next 15 or so daedric zones.

LickingHistSap

SodanTok wrote: »

There is not unlimited land in Tamriel. So yes, one day they will release Murkmire.

It wont be related to promised Murkmire in any way. Waiting and expecting Murkmire is like expecting Elsweyr, rest of Skyrim, rest of Cyrodiil, rest of High Rock or next 15 or so daedric zones.

Don't we already have all of High Rock, though??

And they already did a ton of work for it, I doubt they'll just throw everything out the window because Craglorn was a flop.

SisterGoat

We're actually just missing a big chunk of Hammerfell, High Rock is already all there. The EP lands are still missing a lot of land, too, much more than DC area.

SilverIce58

LickingHistSap wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

As it stands it is being completely reworked because people were not a fan of how group focused Craglorn was.
So for now, many of the assets have been re-purposed for the "Shadows of the Hist" DLC.
Considering its possible size it could be a chapter a year or two from now.

However, I think with Summerset chapter, we are going to be seeing less EP related DLCs and more pertaining to AD and DC.
I love the Nords and Argonians but we had alot of EP related content this past year and I think we should give the spotlight to the other alliances.

I'd agree, but I feel like the same could be said for DC a while ago. Initially we got Craglorn, Wrothgar, Hew's Bane, and The Gold Coast, all of which are in DC territory except for Gold Coast, which is Cyrodiil and neutral. Now we've had Morrowind, Clockwork, and a few Pact dungeons.

Really the only alliance that hasn't had the spotlight is AD, right now, which is being fixed by the Summerset Chapter.

Wrothgar isn't DC territory tho, it's separate from DC, even tho its next to High Rock. It's like saying Craglorn is in DC territory bc it's part of Hammerfell.

Asardes

Nova Sky wrote: »

With global warming having turned Murkmire into a desert, Zeni has had to do some reworking of the planned content.

Actually Nirn seems to be experiencing the opposite, namely a cooling. Check the lore book Subtropical Cyrodiil

Asardes

What areas they can still add:
- almost all Elsweyr
- most of Black Marsh
- western Skyrim
- about half of Alik'r
- a narrow peninsula in Morrowind wrapping around Vvardenfell
- a small corner of Cyrodiil (western Colovia)

Valenwood and High Rock (Wrothgar is technically part of that province as well) are the only zones that are featured completely in the game and we are almost certain at this point Summerset Isle will be the new chapter.

SodanTok

LickingHistSap wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

There is not unlimited land in Tamriel. So yes, one day they will release Murkmire.

It wont be related to promised Murkmire in any way. Waiting and expecting Murkmire is like expecting Elsweyr, rest of Skyrim, rest of Cyrodiil, rest of High Rock or next 15 or so daedric zones.

Don't we already have all of High Rock, though??

And they already did a ton of work for it, I doubt they'll just throw everything out the window because Craglorn was a flop.

Yeah, my bad, meant Hammerfell.
Oh they wont throw anything. They will keep it till its time to make Murkmire dlc. But it is not like they have to use it right now. It may be next DLC, it may be 2020 dlc. At this point, any zone that is missing has the exact same chance as Murkmire to be 2018Q4 dlc or any after that.

Saying Murkmire will happen because they did some work on it 3 years ago has no meaning anymore.

Ohtimbar

I think it was abandoned, or scrapped for parts. I'd like to play it, so I hope I'm wrong.

Nemesis7884

conspiracy theory - they will have some sort of tie over from ESO to TES VI - area wise...maybe

LickingHistSap wrote: »

After the Craglorn debacle, it's pretty clear Zenimax isn't going to be making another group zone anytime soon, which is probably why we've heard nothing about Murkmire since it was first talked about...

But will it ever be released in the form of a Chapter or Orsinium-Style DLC? What are your thoughts/opinions?

why not make an area that has both? For example Wrothgar - the world bosses there really require decent sized groups...you could make an area with world bosses or dungeons or certain quests that require groups and are still solable 85% of the time

Taleof2Cities

Soon™.

monktoasty

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

I liked Craglorn. It was super fun even if it was difficult for solo or small groups. Super sad knowing nothing of the sorts will ever come about again. I feel like a Craglorn dlc would have more success if released today. With zone chat and just far more knowledge of the game I don't think it would be as bad as people assume.

You realize Craglorn is still there right

BlazingDynamo

monktoasty wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

I liked Craglorn. It was super fun even if it was difficult for solo or small groups. Super sad knowing nothing of the sorts will ever come about again. I feel like a Craglorn dlc would have more success if released today. With zone chat and just far more knowledge of the game I don't think it would be as bad as people assume.

You realize Craglorn is still there right

You realize I'm taking about Craglorn pre 1T right?

JobooAGS

SilverIce58 wrote: »

LickingHistSap wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

As it stands it is being completely reworked because people were not a fan of how group focused Craglorn was.
So for now, many of the assets have been re-purposed for the "Shadows of the Hist" DLC.
Considering its possible size it could be a chapter a year or two from now.

However, I think with Summerset chapter, we are going to be seeing less EP related DLCs and more pertaining to AD and DC.
I love the Nords and Argonians but we had alot of EP related content this past year and I think we should give the spotlight to the other alliances.

I'd agree, but I feel like the same could be said for DC a while ago. Initially we got Craglorn, Wrothgar, Hew's Bane, and The Gold Coast, all of which are in DC territory except for Gold Coast, which is Cyrodiil and neutral. Now we've had Morrowind, Clockwork, and a few Pact dungeons.

Really the only alliance that hasn't had the spotlight is AD, right now, which is being fixed by the Summerset Chapter.

Wrothgar isn't DC territory tho, it's separate from DC, even tho its next to High Rock. It's like saying Craglorn is in DC territory bc it's part of Hammerfell.

By that logic, Vvardenfell isn't part of EP either. Also Wrothgar is part of High Rock, and King Kurog is part of DC, though there is the debate of the fate of Wrothgar after the main quest. Also that hammerfell logic isnt far off

SilverIce58

What if Murkmire is going to be this year's DLC area (just like last year we had CWC

JobooAGS wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

LickingHistSap wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

As it stands it is being completely reworked because people were not a fan of how group focused Craglorn was.
So for now, many of the assets have been re-purposed for the "Shadows of the Hist" DLC.
Considering its possible size it could be a chapter a year or two from now.

However, I think with Summerset chapter, we are going to be seeing less EP related DLCs and more pertaining to AD and DC.
I love the Nords and Argonians but we had alot of EP related content this past year and I think we should give the spotlight to the other alliances.

I'd agree, but I feel like the same could be said for DC a while ago. Initially we got Craglorn, Wrothgar, Hew's Bane, and The Gold Coast, all of which are in DC territory except for Gold Coast, which is Cyrodiil and neutral. Now we've had Morrowind, Clockwork, and a few Pact dungeons.

Really the only alliance that hasn't had the spotlight is AD, right now, which is being fixed by the Summerset Chapter.

Wrothgar isn't DC territory tho, it's separate from DC, even tho its next to High Rock. It's like saying Craglorn is in DC territory bc it's part of Hammerfell.

By that logic, Vvardenfell isn't part of EP either. Also Wrothgar is part of High Rock, and King Kurog is part of DC, though there is the debate of the fate of Wrothgar after the main quest. Also that hammerfell logic isnt far off

Well, what about West Skyrim? It's not part of the EP even tho East Skyrim is, and it's situated right next to DC territory.

Iccotak

This image used to promote a costume uses assets we saw in Murkmire concept art. So it is quite possible that they have not forgotten it

Runschei

Oh how I miss Craglorn being for veteran ranks only and being a zone with some kind of difficulty.

Vaoh

Murkmire is a lot like IC. Probably about finished but being held off (smartly) for a good time to release it.

RavenSworn

I won't say they have forgotten murkmire, I think it's being put off until a better time to release it. That being said, I hope it does turn out like original craglorn. When craglorn was released, it was still within the old levelling system of vet ranks. In fact it was touted to be a 'veteran' area of some sorts.

Now that 1T has evolved the game, a good mix of 'forced grouping' within the overland zones would be substantially better for the game. It's like the world bosses, and all you need is to change the rewards to make it worthwhile. Honestly, if murkmire can pull this off as a zone that might have 'elite' mobs, social interaction between players might improve given how the whole game now is open to all and any players.

Asardes

I don't think they'll make the same mistakes they did with Craglorn, since that zone was a big flop shortly after it launched. When people took their nirnhoned piece for research they only went back for more nirn and VR9-14 materials, which were top tier back then. Even killing a group of wasps took 2-3 minutes because they had so much health. Most daily quests were tedious, boring, and you only got some non-set, outleveled junk at the end. Also the mechanics that needed 4 people to press levers was utter BS. I remember spamming the zone and guild chats for people to group up with and open the whirlpool in the lake, only to find out they had done the quest already, or they didn't do the perquisite quests, or simply that whole thing was bugged and once opened you could not enter.

They'll probably release Murkmire as normal DLC or "expansion", with a mix of solo and group activity, just like every other DLC, besides DB, which wasn't released with any group content - IMO it's the worst DLC for this reason and I only bought it because it was on sale as a bundle. Personally I would like to see another 4 man arena just like DSA coming with Murkmire, but make it shorter, with more interesting mechanics. As I said before this game needs a middle ground, 4 man competitive content, with a separate leaderboard, for people who regularly play with friends, but don't have a core guild group. Right now we have a solo arena and 6 trials for 12 people, which are bundled with DSA, which is totally different.