ZOS owes me 100,000 AP

Radinyn

Carbonised wrote: »

Didn't I read somewhere that they had improved Cyrodiil performance recently? Man what a joke.

I needed some AP last night, so went into Cyrodiil for the first time in months, to get it.

- No CP campaign
- Visuals turned down to the complete minimum
- Disabled several addons
- PC/EU server
- Friendly visual effects turned off

I'd like to say I spent about half the time being in the game, but even that would be too generous. If I was lucky, I would get about 5 minutes playtime, then a freeze and a DC to main screen. Another 5 minutes spent logging in, and with my luck, usually back out of Cyrodiil too, with a 10 minute queue to get back in. Lost AP from spending most my playtime being out of the game or in a queue. Lost AP from freezing and disconnecting before defense ticks and keep overtaking ticks.

Also, I know it's not a local problem for me, because plenty in group chat and zone chat also said they had to leave due to peepoor performance and disconnects.

Guess the less frustrating way to get AP these days is handing yourself over to premade pvp elite groups in Battlegrounds. Good job, ZOS!

I'm on PC EU and Cyro is lagging only on the biggest zergs. I guess your pc/internet connection is well... not the best.

Insandros

Kolzki wrote: »

I had a 5 minute loading screen last weekend as a keep door I was repairing refreshed. What was it loading? Who knows?

Yeah i blame all you pvpers request to nerf everything out, so the servers gets overloading reading out all the changes in game and gets confused of all the nerfs he had to read out from original files, takes him quite a long time to process the stuff ans adapt, he gets scared to load in case another nerf thread is being created right after. :P He so extend the time by taking long time to load screen, some diversion i guess, some Military deception trick here by misleading you to a laoding screen which in fact is already laoded, but you just leave game and requeue for cyrodil. :P It's a feature.

Asardes

Incidentally I was on the same server last evening with my DK. The performance was fine, as far as I'm concerned. All loading screens were < 1 minute, there were few FPS drops (generally it stayed > 30 FPS throughout, even in a few large battles), and the game was generally fine, although all 3 alliances were population capped. I only got a long loading screen after around 2 hours of playing, and one instance where my skills stopped working for a few seconds and I got a slight rollback before dying, shortly before that. Overall a decent play. As usual I had restarted my game before going in PvP, and once logged, I queued straight for campaign and ported there. Recently I had moved the game from my magnetic HDD so a SSD. Note that my rig is by no means the latest hardware, in fact most of it is more than 6 years old, only the GPU is a bit newer, though pretty cheap, and also the SSD I've mentioned before. After a few bad experiences I've concluded that most lag and FPS drop is actually caused by the client side, specifically RAM not being cleansed from old info, and I've taken the mentioned workarounds for mitigating this. One thing that ZOS has to improve is client memory allocation.

Apache_Kid

I get issues in Cyrodiil every day on the Xbox One X with the game on SSD. In the majority of fights i struggle to land light attacks. I have no issues with latency or lags or disconnects or crashes except for extremely rare instances in no other games I put on the SSD and play on the Xbox One X while ESO provides these issues regularly. I have spent hours on the phone with my ISP trying to determine if it is something on my end and have exhausted every troubleshoot and fix possible that would fix it if it was a problem on my end. It isn't. I imagine this isn't a problem on OP's end either. This is a ZoS server issue because their servers can't handle all the calculations ever since they moved lots of them from client side to server side. Infrastructure upgrades are needed if we are ever to get Cyrodiil performance to get better.

Aisle9

<- playing on a laptop

Not experiencing issues on PC-EU Sotha Sil, unless I'm close to a zerg or a ballgroup.

I may experience long loading screens during peak hours when Chalmania is on, but I've never been kicked from Cyrodiil or the game.

Insandros wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

I had a 5 minute loading screen last weekend as a keep door I was repairing refreshed. What was it loading? Who knows?

Yeah i blame all you pvpers request to nerf everything out, so the servers gets overloading reading out all the changes in game and gets confused of all the nerfs he had to read out from original files, takes him quite a long time to process the stuff ans adapt, he gets scared to load in case another nerf thread is being created right after. :P He so extend the time by taking long time to load screen, some diversion i guess, some Military deception trick here by misleading you to a laoding screen which in fact is already laoded, but you just leave game and requeue for cyrodil. :P It's a feature.

You just couldn't help yourself, couldn't you ? You had to be that guy, that one guy jumping in a conversation he hardly followed saying something like "It's all dem latinos' fault, I tell you" shaking his fist...

Carbonised

LordSemaj wrote: »

Playing on a craptop that doesn't even have a video card and I'm not experiencing such problems even in VIVEC during peak times. I have to agree, this sounds like a personal PC problem. You turned down your visuals to minimum and still had these problems every five minutes?? I'm running visuals on Medium and don't get them after five hours. Without a dedicated graphics card. Literally using an Intel 520 integrated and sharing CPU in a game that hogs the CPU.

Thank you to you and all the others who immediately assume that my PC sucks, just because it works fine or better for YOU.

First of all, no, my PC doesn't suck, it should be prefectly able to run a game like this, and in fact runs games with much more demanding specs fine.

Secondly, just because YOU did not experience any problems (you being the quoted poster, and those others who commented the same), doesn't mean that NO ONE experienced any problems, or that if anyone did, it's their own damn fault or their lousy hardware.

I experienced several times people saying in chat they had to leave Cyrodiil due to not being able to play in the poor performance. But I guess they are just sitting on lousy hardware as well then?

Stop blaming the user for a fault that lies with the program. ZOS has even gone out time and time again and acknowledged that PvP performance is poor.

EDIT: There have also been other supporting comments in this thread, and a whole other active thread today on the forums, talking about performance issues. You can't just pin it on everyone that "it's their own fault or their poor PC".

zaria

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

The last week or so has been pretty bad for me. I was hoping last maintenance would help a little but it didn’t....I don’t expect any compensation though,but I feel your pain.

Lots of people understood that end of 30 days campaign give 50 transmute crystals.
Did not have much problems myself except some long loading times and two load in middle of nowhere. also exiting port to forward camp and end in middle of enemy zerg a minute later was interesting, fortunately the other guy was slower and very tanky.
Pretty bis setup outside of ESO not on SSD, ESO should have different graphic settings for overland and Cyrodil / trials.

NewBlacksmurf

There are a few better PvP game options. I don’t understand why PvP focused players are still here complaining.

I want things improved for PvE but ....there is another game I’ve moved to. Find yours, there’s happiness awaiting.

Then your posts may be more of feedback vs a mindset that the company or devs owe you something as a result of bad experiences.

Danksta

People actually believe ZoS when they say things like that? I mean, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Serjustin19

KingYogi415 wrote: »

ZOS owes you nothing.

[Snip].

[Edited to remove bait, rude comment]

I totally agree ZOS don't owe me anything. It's the other way, I should owe ZOS though.


I Present to you all, EU server.





Also I need a new router, any opinions?

Apache_Kid

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

There are a few better PvP game options. I don’t understand why PvP focused players are still here complaining.

I want things improved for PvE but ....there is another game I’ve moved to. Find yours, there’s happiness awaiting.

Then your posts may be more of feedback vs a mindset that the company or devs owe you something as a result of bad experiences.

Hell no. I've already invested a lot of time and money in the game and I still enjoy lots of the content because it is fun and rewarding.

They OWE us a working product. They OWE us a Cyrodiil without crashes and infinite load-screens and the ability to hit skills and light attacks.

They OWE it to us to provide a working product just like every other game studio for every other video game I play is able to do. That's it.

I don't live with the mentality that I should pay money for a product to just have it not worked as advertised and I'll be on here every damn day reminding them of this until the game works as it should.

Asardes

If only a sub-category of players experience similar problems in a particular time frame, they might not be related to the server itself. More likely it's either a particular setting for their specific hardware or software, or a general problem with ISP and/or backbone in their zone. The problem with one of the sub-servers aka. shards is pretty unlikely, since by design all people playing one campaign need to be on the same shard, hardware-wise, or they would be unable to interact with each other.

And I do PvP for quite a long time, I firs went in Cyrodiil in June 2016, right after Dark Brotherhood patch. And I do remember the game having horrible performance during those times, not only in PvP, but in PvE as well. I had jokingly renamed Deshaan to DCshaan, since about 50% I ported to Mournhold I got a timeout disconnect after 5m+ loading screen. However in the last year or so, especially the last 6-8 months the performance did improve a bit. The lag, disconnects and getting stuck in load screens, and less game-breaking problems like improperly rendered textures (that's clearly a client side problem) were much more frequent. Of course it's not perfect, and problems tend to resurface after extended playing sessions (also, pretty clearly a client issue), but at least the game is playable now. I hope they continue the job they started and make it even better.

Being a technical person myself I do understand this matter is not as simple as "fixing the servers." I'm quite curious what happens next patch, when they'll also cut support to the 32b client. My guess is that that would enable better code optimization in some areas, which may improve performance.

Vapirko

I play from Asia in both CP campaigns and it isn’t that bad so I really think you must have an ISP issue or you need to look at your hardware.

Apache_Kid

Asardes wrote: »

If only a sub-category of players experience similar problems in a particular time frame, they might not be related to the server itself. More likely it's either a particular setting for their specific hardware or software, or a general problem with ISP and/or backbone in their zone. The problem with one of the sub-servers aka. shards is pretty unlikely, since by design all people playing one campaign need to be on the same shard, hardware-wise, or they would be unable to interact with each other.

And I do PvP for quite a long time, I firs went in Cyrodiil in June 2016, right after Dark Brotherhood patch. And I do remember the game having horrible performance during those times, not only in PvP, but in PvE as well. I had jokingly renamed Deshaan to DCshaan, since about 50% I ported to Mournhold I got a timeout disconnect after 5m+ loading screen. However in the last year or so, especially the last 6-8 months the performance did improve a bit. The lag, disconnects and getting stuck in load screens, and less game-breaking problems like improperly rendered textures (that's clearly a client side problem) were much more frequent. Of course it's not perfect, and problems tend to resurface after extended playing sessions (also, pretty clearly a client issue), but at least the game is playable now. I hope they continue the job they started and make it even better.

Being a technical person myself I do understand this matter is not as simple as "fixing the servers." I'm quite curious what happens next patch, when they'll also cut support to the 32b client. My guess is that that would enable better code optimization in some areas, which may improve performance.

When my Xbox makes the buzzing sound and my screen freezes that means that there was a CODING ERROR. I have spoken to Xbox support about my issues with this game multiple times as ZoS support is rarely ever any help and they confirmed to me that a Xbox will crash in the manner when a coding error happens.

As far as lag and latency in Cyrodiil, I have exhausted every possible explanation for it being an issue on my end. I've spent hours on the phone with my ISP messing with all the ports ZoS told me to forward and countless other small troubleshooting tips to no avail.

My download and upload speed are more than good enough, I have the game on Xbox One X and on an SSD, I have no issues like this with any other games.

There is just no chance in hell that this is an issue on my end when every person in my PvP guild on Xbox complains about the same issues to one extent or another. Many times, multiple people in the same group will crash at the exact same time at the exact same location.

Please stop pushing this narrative that the poor Cyrodiil performance in this game is a player-hardware or internet issue. I have the newest possible Xbox and the game on an SSD. If it is a hardware issue causing the problems then the whole game shouldn't even be available for sale on Xbox because it simply cannot handle it. However, i highly doubt that this is the case as every other game I play on Xbox performs near flawlessly. So why is it ONLY ESO, a game that is almost 4 years old, that I constantly have issues with?

(I can only speak on my platform of course which is Xbox).

Jade1986

Juhasow wrote: »

If it's PC EU non CP campaign then You may blame people the same way You blame developer for Your performance issues. It's well known that EP and AD are exploiting entrance into this campaign commonly by getting invitations from DC which is less popular faction there and have smallest awaiting time to enter campaign. Player from DC can make group with players from other factions and queue them as group and queue will count this group as DC group so despite of locks AD and EP players will still be able to enter there easily which causes massives overload of people during prime time hence the lag.

Asardes

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

If only a sub-category of players experience similar problems in a particular time frame, they might not be related to the server itself. More likely it's either a particular setting for their specific hardware or software, or a general problem with ISP and/or backbone in their zone. The problem with one of the sub-servers aka. shards is pretty unlikely, since by design all people playing one campaign need to be on the same shard, hardware-wise, or they would be unable to interact with each other.

And I do PvP for quite a long time, I firs went in Cyrodiil in June 2016, right after Dark Brotherhood patch. And I do remember the game having horrible performance during those times, not only in PvP, but in PvE as well. I had jokingly renamed Deshaan to DCshaan, since about 50% I ported to Mournhold I got a timeout disconnect after 5m+ loading screen. However in the last year or so, especially the last 6-8 months the performance did improve a bit. The lag, disconnects and getting stuck in load screens, and less game-breaking problems like improperly rendered textures (that's clearly a client side problem) were much more frequent. Of course it's not perfect, and problems tend to resurface after extended playing sessions (also, pretty clearly a client issue), but at least the game is playable now. I hope they continue the job they started and make it even better.

Being a technical person myself I do understand this matter is not as simple as "fixing the servers." I'm quite curious what happens next patch, when they'll also cut support to the 32b client. My guess is that that would enable better code optimization in some areas, which may improve performance.

When my Xbox makes the buzzing sound and my screen freezes that means that there was a CODING ERROR. I have spoken to Xbox support about my issues with this game multiple times as ZoS support is rarely ever any help and they confirmed to me that a Xbox will crash in the manner when a coding error happens.

As far as lag and latency in Cyrodiil, I have exhausted every possible explanation for it being an issue on my end. I've spent hours on the phone with my ISP messing with all the ports ZoS told me to forward and countless other small troubleshooting tips to no avail.

My download and upload speed are more than good enough, I have the game on Xbox One X and on an SSD, I have no issues like this with any other games.

There is just no chance in hell that this is an issue on my end when every person in my PvP guild on Xbox complains about the same issues to one extent or another. Many times, multiple people in the same group will crash at the exact same time at the exact same location.

Please stop pushing this narrative that the poor Cyrodiil performance in this game is a player-hardware or internet issue. I have the newest possible Xbox and the game on an SSD. If it is a hardware issue causing the problems then the whole game shouldn't even be available for sale on Xbox because it simply cannot handle it. However, i highly doubt that this is the case as every other game I play on Xbox performs near flawlessly. So why is it ONLY ESO, a game that is almost 4 years old, that I constantly have issues with?

(I can only speak on my platform of course which is Xbox).

However I did mention the problem is partly the code, specifically memory allocation, not once but twice, so don't cherry pick my answer. Client means both hardware and software, including the OS and the game client. Do consoles have a watchdog of sorts that lists the memory address and various other information that can be forwarded to Microsoft? If the OS also crashes, then the problem is not excessively one related to the game client, but most likely the OS as well.

Biro123

I just see constant 60fps - but a massive slideshow..

Its not my machine.. Could be networking at my end - but I'll often mention it in chat in cyro and find plenty of others agreeing with me. Certainly looks server-based...

SGT_Wolfe101st

Aliyavana wrote: »

And you all owe me insightfuls

I kind of hate you right now...(why didn't I think of this?)

And you all owe me some awesomes