confused on skilling up alliance

xbobx

I am at the point where I cam going to throw my console out the window. all I want Is level 5. I have done 20 repeatable quests for about 6k in alliance, taken over 3 or so lumbermills solo, helped take over a keep, killed some players, healed some people and my alliance level is just over 4 and has not budged at all after all that.

wtf is going on , do they make you want to quit?

its bad enough I am part of an alliance that sucks and never has any forts so getting around takes 30 mins only to die when you get there and start over. I cant find anyone , and always seem to arrive late to everything because everyone one shots me and always knocks me off my mount in one shot also.

redspecter23

If you're PC/NA on DC faction my guild runs nearly every night for 200k - 300k. You'd have your rank up in no time. You just need a few people to assist. Gaining the ranks solo isn't the easiest thing to do unless you're specifically specced out for it.

xbobx

on console but thanks, I would just like to know I am making progress, 10k points should move the bar. it wasn't this hard on my nightblade

bmannb16_ESO

xbobx wrote: »

I am at the point where I cam going to throw my console out the window. all I want Is level 5. I have done 20 repeatable quests for about 6k in alliance, taken over 3 or so lumbermills solo, helped take over a keep, killed some players, healed some people and my alliance level is just over 4 and has not budged at all after all that.

wtf is going on , do they make you want to quit?

its bad enough I am part of an alliance that sucks and never has any forts so getting around takes 30 mins only to die when you get there and start over. I cant find anyone , and always seem to arrive late to everything because everyone one shots me and always knocks me off my mount in one shot also.

Not sure what platform your on but try different campaigns. Sounds like your on one of the stacked servers.

KingYogi415

Vigor only take 90k AP.

Join a Zerg that flipping keeps and you will have that in 2 hours.

kargen27

Expensive to do but a tank in our guild wanting nothing to do with PvP repaired walls to get Caltrops. Try tagging along with a large group if you can find one and just throw AoE (healing or damage) wherever you can. It is hard to level when your alliance has almost none of the map and not much population but eventually you will get it.

When it starts to get you frustrated take a bit of a break then go back.

VaranisArano

Some advice for getting AP relatively quickly. I can typically get to level 7 for caltrops in several days of playing for several hours each day, but I'm a fairly experienced PVPer in a populated campaign. My best advice is to be patient

• Play on a populated campaign so that you can find an active group. Trying to run solo makes for slow AP gain unless you really know what you are doing. Find a group of players and go with them. They may not be very good either, and you can jump ship to another group if you want, but there is safety and effectiveness in numbers.
• Get tanky with extra health, resistances, or heavy armor to help you survive longer.Wear Impenetrable trait armor so you don't take as much damage from the enemy's crits.
• If you are stamina, equip a bow and take potshots at as many enemy players as you can. When they die, you get AP for the enemies you helped kill. - I'm guessing stamina since you want level 5 for Vigor, I'm assuming.
• If you are magicka, equip a resto staff and heal everyone you can. You'll get extra AP for healing.
• If you want to score player kills while defending keeps, fire ballistas and oil pots are excellent against players.

Ways to get AP in Cyrodiil

• AP Buff - Kill any delve boss to get the Blessing of War, a 20% AP buff that lasts for an hour
• Killing enemy players - the amount of AP depends on how many people damaged them and how much AP they'd gained since their last death.
• Healing allies - you'll get some bonus AP for healing allies as long as there is an enemy nearby
• Bounty Quests - Kill 20 Enemy Class, Capture a Fort, Capture a Resource all grant around 2-3k AP. Scouting quests grant less, and aren't worth the time IMO.
• Scroll Quests - Grants AP if you have the quest when your faction grabs a scroll and places it back in a temple or home keep. Not really useful for AP grinding but if you think your alliance is going for a scroll, it might be worth trying to pick up that scroll quest beforehand.
• Capturing Resources - grants 1.5-1.6k AP + AP from any enemies that died divided by the number of allies present
• Capturing Keeps - grants 6k AP + AP from any enemies that died divided by the number of allies present
• Defending Resources and Keeps - grants AP dependent on the enemies that died divided by the number of allies on the keep grounds, the tick happens about a minute after combat ceases on the grounds.
• Repairing Walls and Doors - using Wall and Door repair kits, you can repair the walls and doors of keeps and resources fr a small amount of AP. The longer those keeps and resources are held by your faction, they improve, but the health of the walls is lowered percentage-wise. This requires no PVP as you can buy the kits for gold. I highly recommend having the Blessing of War buff before you repair because it will give you slightly more AP for the most tedious method of gaining AP.
• Town Quests - Towns like Bruma, Cropsford, Cheydinhal, Chorrol, and Vlastarus have 5-10 short daily quests that can be done for a couple hundred AP each.
• I feel like I'm missing something else, so if anyone has more ideas, feel free to add to the list.

xbobx

thanks for the help

xbobx

finally got level 5. I switched campaigns and found a more populated ebonheart group that actually did something. They did 3 tower takeovers along with a bunch of clashes and a few resources and i hit it finally.

thanks everyone for the help.

at least getting to level 4 is easy enough and get a few extra skillpoints etc.

the one thing i wish they do is just put a couple wayshrines you can use in the map. maybe three just to help out with travel if your alliance population is down and you have no towers. Would help with the travel frustration when that happens. Still would take a while to get from one place to another but not 30 minutes only to then get ganked at the side of the road and have to start over.

laksikus

No?
Traveling in Cyrodiil the way it is, is good.
Washrines would totally destroy ich the map balance

Beardimus

xbobx wrote: »

finally got level 5. I switched campaigns and found a more populated ebonheart group that actually did something. They did 3 tower takeovers along with a bunch of clashes and a few resources and i hit it finally.

thanks everyone for the help.

at least getting to level 4 is easy enough and get a few extra skillpoints etc.

the one thing i wish they do is just put a couple wayshrines you can use in the map. maybe three just to help out with travel if your alliance population is down and you have no towers. Would help with the travel frustration when that happens. Still would take a while to get from one place to another but not 30 minutes only to then get ganked at the side of the road and have to start over.

When you start time on the horse simulator seems long. Is your mount upgraded? Do you use rapids? That helps

Over time you realise its only a few minutes between keeps at most. And if you have no keeps where are you trying to get to?

Are you EU or Na?

xbobx

Beardimus wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

finally got level 5. I switched campaigns and found a more populated ebonheart group that actually did something. They did 3 tower takeovers along with a bunch of clashes and a few resources and i hit it finally.

thanks everyone for the help.

at least getting to level 4 is easy enough and get a few extra skillpoints etc.

the one thing i wish they do is just put a couple wayshrines you can use in the map. maybe three just to help out with travel if your alliance population is down and you have no towers. Would help with the travel frustration when that happens. Still would take a while to get from one place to another but not 30 minutes only to then get ganked at the side of the road and have to start over.

When you start time on the horse simulator seems long. Is your mount upgraded? Do you use rapids? That helps

Over time you realise its only a few minutes between keeps at most. And if you have no keeps where are you trying to get to?

Are you EU or Na?

NA,

Say if there is not many people on, for example early in the morning and you pick up some of the dailies. You find the resource takeover quest is on the other side of the map and you only have a couple towers by your base. It would take a very long time to get to the other end.

for those that say the travel is fine, you probably live in that zone but i dont think it is because people, i bet, log on, get into battles and find so much of their time is traveling because of the lack of bases etc and they just leave. That effect can be add up.
I have seen complaints before how one alliance seems to have most of the bases all the time and its things like this that cause it. If you can't seem to get anywhere and progress you are just going to leave, and other people will and so on and so on.

having 3 wayshrines wont disrupt anything, it will just half the time to get to the other side, for example put them right by the 3 entrances to imperial city.

VaranisArano

Travel in Cyrodiil is entirely dependent on your alliance controlling keeps/towns/outposts on the map. If you want to leave the gates, you have to own a keep, outpost, or town, or you have to ride.

Cyrodiil works mainly on the Transitus System. That's the network of wayshrines in keeps/outposts that are connected through faction ownership. For example, a single faction can control all the keeps around Lake Rumare. As long as they own at least one resource at each keep, they can use the transitus shrines to travel anywhere around the lake quickly. However, if an enemy force takes all three resources around a keep or flags the keep by sieging one wall/door down below 50%, the transitus network to that keep breaks and the faction that owns it must ride to the keep in order to defend it.

This helps keep resources relevant and rewards speedy attackers and alert defenders who call out early for reinforcements before the resources are all taken or the wall is broken down to 50%. You cannot travel via transitus to certain back field enemy keeps and the enemy cannot travel to certain of yours to retain at least some home field advantage.

You can also deathport. When you die to a player or an Alliance NPC, such as on an enemy-owned keep or resource, you can ressurract at any place owned by your faction. That includes towns with flags like Bruma, Crospford, and Vlastarus and keeps that are cut off by losing their resources but not yet flagged. So as EP if EP owned Castle Alessia, if AD took all the resources to cut off Alessia and I had an enemy resource nearby, I might let the guards kill me so I could deathport to defend Alessia even though its cut off from the transitus network.

Getting back to your north and south gate wayshrines so that you can leave Cyrodiil is as simple as using the transitus from the nearest connected keep/outpost, dying and rezzing at the wayshrine, or using /stuck.

Now the reason this won't really change is because while adding wayshrines to the halfway point would indeed make it quicker to get to the fight, it would also be an incredibly convenient lauching point for raids deep into enemy territory. Used properly, those towns with flags already serve that purpose, but at least have to be controlled by players. So in short, if your faction is having no luck holding territory, no, you aren't going to have much luck getting around on the map, but that's more a problem of unbalanced faction sizes or a organized force vs disorganized forces. When the factions are evenly matched in numbers and organization, things play out much closer to how they are designed - one reason why I prefer PC/NA's most populated campaign, Vivec.

Beardimus

xbobx wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

finally got level 5. I switched campaigns and found a more populated ebonheart group that actually did something. They did 3 tower takeovers along with a bunch of clashes and a few resources and i hit it finally.

thanks everyone for the help.

at least getting to level 4 is easy enough and get a few extra skillpoints etc.

the one thing i wish they do is just put a couple wayshrines you can use in the map. maybe three just to help out with travel if your alliance population is down and you have no towers. Would help with the travel frustration when that happens. Still would take a while to get from one place to another but not 30 minutes only to then get ganked at the side of the road and have to start over.

When you start time on the horse simulator seems long. Is your mount upgraded? Do you use rapids? That helps

Over time you realise its only a few minutes between keeps at most. And if you have no keeps where are you trying to get to?

Are you EU or Na?

NA,

Say if there is not many people on, for example early in the morning and you pick up some of the dailies. You find the resource takeover quest is on the other side of the map and you only have a couple towers by your base. It would take a very long time to get to the other end.

for those that say the travel is fine, you probably live in that zone but i dont think it is because people, i bet, log on, get into battles and find so much of their time is traveling because of the lack of bases etc and they just leave. That effect can be add up.
I have seen complaints before how one alliance seems to have most of the bases all the time and its things like this that cause it. If you can't seem to get anywhere and progress you are just going to leave, and other people will and so on and so on.

having 3 wayshrines wont disrupt anything, it will just half the time to get to the other side, for example put them right by the 3 entrances to imperial city.

Get that. But the quests are not the best way to get AP. Running about the map on.the horse sim is not efficient AP per Hr!

If map is painted another alliances colour, pop out the gate, go to first keep and take the resources. It's about all you can do on a dead map, heck even take the keep if you have the time.

Or repair things as others said. Or run once to a Town and clear the ten daily quests its about 4k AP and good XP but that will be a run if map is painted.

Best way, find the busiest campaign for your timing and type LFG and tag along

Or next update do Battlegrounds, 10k AP even if your team is smashed. In 15mins... That's cool

xbobx

i understand that, but for example, i get up early in the morning and maybe i just want to get some ap, get some gear etc. In the morning its empty so there is not much pvp going on .

maybe having some less frustrating travel or such could help out. At night its not as needed as much because its always full.

kargen27

xbobx wrote: »

i understand that, but for example, i get up early in the morning and maybe i just want to get some ap, get some gear etc. In the morning its empty so there is not much pvp going on .

maybe having some less frustrating travel or such could help out. At night its not as needed as much because its always full.

The problem being if wayshrines were in Cyrodiil there would probably never be another emperor. Players would just use the wayshrines to bypass enemies and take keeps. Disrupting the enemies travel lines is a viable strategy now and that would disappear. Three wayshrines would disrupt everything about the campaign.

I an guessing there would also be a lot of grief happening at wayshrines with gankers just waiting for an unsuspecting soul to pop in.

geonsocal

you can abandon certain quests until you get the one you want...

whenever I get the dragonknight or warden bounty I always try to get something else...