Should Bounty Decay only work while online? (nevermind)

Davor

Nah it's fine

Smmokkee wrote: »

Yeah the justice system is a joke. If people are getting +100,000 gold bounties I should be able to hunt them for a small gold reward. They are obviously harming tamriel on a massive scale and shouldnt be allowed to run rampant and then log off to log back on a few hours later and do it all again. Its brainless bland gameplay that only rewards the abuser and encourages people to commit crime on a wide scale. Not to mention its a little excessive to be able to murder farm entire towns.. what kind of image does that give to other players playing the game..


You cant tell me it wouldnt be cool to see some jackass murdering farming some town get absolutely rekt by a nightblade looking to claim the bounty. That would be sweet and add some much neede spice to such a bland system.

That is a great idea, but what about people who Auto decline PvP combat? It wouldn't work then. On the other side to make it worthwhile for the person to want to not decline Auto Decline combat then if the theif or person with the bounty wins the combat, he takes everything from you and when you resurrect you loose EVERYTHING, you resurrect with only your undies on.

coop500

Yes I agree

Smmokkee wrote: »

Yeah the justice system is a joke. If people are getting +100,000 gold bounties I should be able to hunt them for a small gold reward. They are obviously harming tamriel on a massive scale and shouldnt be allowed to run rampant and then log off to log back on a few hours later and do it all again. Its brainless bland gameplay that only rewards the abuser and encourages people to commit crime on a wide scale. Not to mention its a little excessive to be able to murder farm entire towns.. what kind of image does that give to other players playing the game..


You cant tell me it wouldnt be cool to see some jackass murdering farming some town get absolutely rekt by a nightblade looking to claim the bounty. That would be sweet and add some much neede spice to such a bland system.

I wouldn't want to turn it into a PVP system, that would likely cause too much grief, though the idea amuses me in practice it wouldn't work out too well.

idk

Nah it's fine

My information I stated is correct.

Maybe your OP is not delivering the message you intended due to the focus of that guy with a 400k bounty, how you think the game handles that and what you think it means and maybe the bounty decay and how the player base as a while views the system can be cleared up a bit.

Not making anything up. Proved part of it with facts. Demonstrated part of it that is easily seen in game. No hypocracy. I would suggest avoiding attempts to shame players like this in your thread that are not providing opinions but easily proven facts. It tends to have a negative impact on the discussion.

LordSemaj

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

What I don't get is why every guard I pass seems to know that I was the Savior of Morrowind and even rescued a cat trapped in a cave yet they forget who I am a few minutes after committing any crime.

So either the statute of limitations is only three minutes or my world famous character that everyone seems to recognize is banned from receiving the only title he truly wants -- "Criminal".

By the same token, a guard in Auridon knows I've stolen some shite 40g item or a lockpick in Vvardenfell.

Magic. It's a world of prophecies, portals, extra dimensions, time travel, memory hallucinations, and telepathy.

Smmokkee

Yes I agree

Davor wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Yeah the justice system is a joke. If people are getting +100,000 gold bounties I should be able to hunt them for a small gold reward. They are obviously harming tamriel on a massive scale and shouldnt be allowed to run rampant and then log off to log back on a few hours later and do it all again. Its brainless bland gameplay that only rewards the abuser and encourages people to commit crime on a wide scale. Not to mention its a little excessive to be able to murder farm entire towns.. what kind of image does that give to other players playing the game..


You cant tell me it wouldnt be cool to see some jackass murdering farming some town get absolutely rekt by a nightblade looking to claim the bounty. That would be sweet and add some much neede spice to such a bland system.

That is a great idea, but what about people who Auto decline PvP combat? It wouldn't work then. On the other side to make it worthwhile for the person to want to not decline Auto Decline combat then if the theif or person with the bounty wins the combat, he takes everything from you and when you resurrect you loose EVERYTHING, you resurrect with only your undies on.

There would be no declining pvp combat at a certain threshold you would pass on the justice system. Say after a bounty of 25k you would become a bounty target that others could come and claim by killing you. Dont want to be engaged in PvP combat? Be a better a theif or murderer and dont get your bounty to that point.


If the bounty is claimed successfully then depending on the size of the bounty the bounty hunter will be rewarded with things like transmutation crystals and gold. If the bounty hunter loses the person with the bounty would have their bounty dropped by a certain percentage based on how high there bounty was and also be rewarded with a period of exemption from other hunters... can be called the feared outlaw buff or something which allows you to basically treat the justice system like it is treated now.

VaranisArano

Nah it's fine

This all comes back to people complaining that Justice system players can murder and steal in game, ruining their immersion, without suffering undue consequences because murdering and stealing are both allowed and encouraged by ZOS.

LordSemaj

Smmokkee wrote: »

There would be no declining pvp combat at a certain threshold you would pass on the justice system. Say after a bounty of 25k you would become a bounty target that others could come and claim by killing you. Dont want to be engaged in PvP combat? Be a better a theif or murderer and dont get your bounty to that point.

ZOS already considered adding that to the game ages ago with the Enforcers system. They gave us Dueling instead and cancelled their plans to allow players to take missions to hunt down high bounty criminals ala Star Wars bounty hunter system.

Smmokkee

Yes I agree

LordSemaj wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

There would be no declining pvp combat at a certain threshold you would pass on the justice system. Say after a bounty of 25k you would become a bounty target that others could come and claim by killing you. Dont want to be engaged in PvP combat? Be a better a theif or murderer and dont get your bounty to that point.

ZOS already considered adding that to the game ages ago with the Enforcers system. They gave us Dueling instead and cancelled their plans to allow players to take missions to hunt down high bounty criminals ala Star Wars bounty hunter system.

I know but it doesnt change the fact that the justice system is a joke and this system wether you like it or not will add more depth and meaningful gameplay to ESO.

Its not like you would be forced to pvp in this system.. a 25k bounty is hard to rack up if you are playing with some level of caution.

BomblePants

Nah it's fine

The thing is.... I don’t generally steal or murder indiscriminately, but I do accumulate bounties just through doing Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood quests..... I find the bounties quite disabling in game... its why I am so successful at fishing....

jssriot

Nah it's fine

People, it's a game.

coop500

Yes I agree

To me forced PVP is never a good thing for a game geared towards casuals, unless the crime is done in Cyrodiil, then I'm all for it.

Otherwise, forced PVP would just make people rage and such...

VaranisArano

Nah it's fine

Smmokkee wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

There would be no declining pvp combat at a certain threshold you would pass on the justice system. Say after a bounty of 25k you would become a bounty target that others could come and claim by killing you. Dont want to be engaged in PvP combat? Be a better a theif or murderer and dont get your bounty to that point.

ZOS already considered adding that to the game ages ago with the Enforcers system. They gave us Dueling instead and cancelled their plans to allow players to take missions to hunt down high bounty criminals ala Star Wars bounty hunter system.

I know but it doesnt change the fact that the justice system is a joke and this system wether you like it or not will add more depth and meaningful gameplay to ESO.

Its not like you would be forced to pvp in this system.. a 25k bounty is hard to rack up if you are playing with some level of caution.

ZOS already considered adding bounties when designing the Thieves Guild additions to the justice system. The playerbase widely panned it. ZOS couldn't figure out how to do it in a way that wouldn't amount to griefing. If you want an idea about how the average PVE player feels about having their PVE activities interrupted by PVP, do take a look at the way the PVE community views the Imperial City.

Wow, it really bothers some people that I can steal, rob, and murder while playing the Thieves Guild and Drak Brotherhood content I paid for and they can't do anything to interfere with my playtime, doesn't it?

Smmokkee

Yes I agree

Looks like people want the justice system to remain a joke. What are we even talkin about here.. who cares if it runs down offline in its current state.

coop500

Yes I agree

Smmokkee wrote: »

Looks like people want the justice system to remain a joke. What are we even talkin about here.. who cares if it runs down offline in its current state.

Meh, people are lazy, it's human nature to go for the easy route, I threatened it so they threatened me back.

Smmokkee

Yes I agree

VaranisArano wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

There would be no declining pvp combat at a certain threshold you would pass on the justice system. Say after a bounty of 25k you would become a bounty target that others could come and claim by killing you. Dont want to be engaged in PvP combat? Be a better a theif or murderer and dont get your bounty to that point.

ZOS already considered adding that to the game ages ago with the Enforcers system. They gave us Dueling instead and cancelled their plans to allow players to take missions to hunt down high bounty criminals ala Star Wars bounty hunter system.

I know but it doesnt change the fact that the justice system is a joke and this system wether you like it or not will add more depth and meaningful gameplay to ESO.

Its not like you would be forced to pvp in this system.. a 25k bounty is hard to rack up if you are playing with some level of caution.

ZOS already considered adding bounties when designing the Thieves Guild additions to the justice system. The playerbase widely panned it. ZOS couldn't figure out how to do it in a way that wouldn't amount to griefing. If you want an idea about how the average PVE player feels about having their PVE activities interrupted by PVP, do take a look at the way the PVE community views the Imperial City.

Wow, it really bothers some people that I can steal, rob, and murder while playing the Thieves Guild and Drak Brotherhood content I paid for and they can't do anything to interfere with my playtime, doesn't it?

Lol I know they scrapped the system dude..


Doesnt change what I'm saying or your saying. If pve'ers want the justice system to remain bland and boring then so be it.. murder farm to your hearts content.

Sucks that content has no real danger tied into it. I mean what kind of theif or db assassin racks up that high of a bounty... lol it promotes mindless gameplay because the consequences are a joke.

DieAlteHexe

Nah it's fine

coop500 wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Looks like people want the justice system to remain a joke. What are we even talkin about here.. who cares if it runs down offline in its current state.

Meh, people are lazy, it's human nature to go for the easy route, I threatened it so they threatened me back.

Well, I didn't "threaten" you. Let's not indulge in hyperbole here.

If it doesn't harm how others play, then play on. If stabbity/murder did interfere with how everyone else played then I could see an issue here but it doesn't aside from those who feel it's unrealistic or annoying or ________ (fill in the blank).

No harm, no foul.

coop500

Yes I agree

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Looks like people want the justice system to remain a joke. What are we even talkin about here.. who cares if it runs down offline in its current state.

Meh, people are lazy, it's human nature to go for the easy route, I threatened it so they threatened me back.

Well, I didn't "threaten" you. Let's not indulge in hyperbole here.

If it doesn't harm how others play, then play on. If stabbity/murder did interfere with how everyone else played then I could see an issue here but it doesn't aside from those who feel it's unrealistic or annoying or ________ (fill in the blank).

No harm, no foul.

You didn't threaten me, but others did.

Check Mr 'Don't you DARE' guy on the first page.

Just because it doesn't effect me, doesn't mean I deserve this sort of attack for a mere opinion. I like how everyone just says 'it doesn't effect you so you're not allowed to have an opinion about it."

If I took time out of my day to think and talk about it, it already effected me.

BomblePants

Nah it's fine

@coop500 What is up with you today....

DieAlteHexe

Nah it's fine

coop500 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Looks like people want the justice system to remain a joke. What are we even talkin about here.. who cares if it runs down offline in its current state.

Meh, people are lazy, it's human nature to go for the easy route, I threatened it so they threatened me back.

Well, I didn't "threaten" you. Let's not indulge in hyperbole here.

If it doesn't harm how others play, then play on. If stabbity/murder did interfere with how everyone else played then I could see an issue here but it doesn't aside from those who feel it's unrealistic or annoying or ________ (fill in the blank).

No harm, no foul.

You didn't threaten me, but others did.

Check Mr 'Don't you DARE' guy on the first page.

Just because it doesn't effect me, doesn't mean I deserve this sort of attack for a mere opinion. I like how everyone just says 'it doesn't effect you so you're not allowed to have an opinion about it."

You've been slinging a bit yourself, Coop500.

I see disagreement but no "threats". Have to expect that folk will strongly debate subjects which is happening here.

theher0not

Nah it's fine

Even if they change it what stops me from sitting AFK and just pressing jump from time to time to make sure I don't DC?.

The system is fine. Besiedes I am pretty sure it decays slower when offline.


But I do want something in place to discourage murder(or at least make it so it isn't a requirement for theiving gameplay), but I think maybe having pocket loot regenerate on its own (the same time it takes for an NPC to respawn after it dies counting from when the first item was stolen). That way people could choose if they just want to be a thief or if they want to murder too.

Smmokkee

Yes I agree

Atleast put npc hunters in the system. Difficulty could be rng based with some hunters posing as bosses with cool cosmetic drops. Outlaw skin, costumes, etc.

Ashtaris

Nah it's fine

coop500 wrote: »

Dawnblade wrote: »

If they forced players to stay online to clear bounties, we'd just have people parking characters in some safe spot and going afk (with a mouse macro or add-on or rubber band) while logged into the game.

If they made any changes, I'd rather see more in-game ways to clear a bounty (like have NPCs in zones that request help in exchange for putting in a good word and reducing bounty).

I'd also like to see less auto guard action for stupid crap like having the game decide at the last millisecond I was really trying to steal an apple instead of talk to the NPC in the middle of town (and just give me a unique key bind for stealing already).

So you just want to make it easier, meh, I shouldn't have expected anything less in this day and age.

The guy made suggestions on how to reduce the bounty besides a offline timeout, and other improvements in the justice system and you still slap him down? No wonder nobody takes your poll seriously.

coop500

Yes I agree

theher0not wrote: »

Even if they change it what stops me from sitting AFK and just pressing jump from time to time to make sure I don't DC?.

The system is fine. Besiedes I am pretty sure it decays slower when offline.


But I do want something in place to discourage murder(or at least make it so it isn't a requirement for theiving gameplay), but I think maybe having pocket loot regenerate on its own (the same time it takes for an NPC to respawn after it dies counting from when the first item was stolen). That way people could choose if they just want to be a thief or if they want to murder too.

It actually decays faster offline.

And look I didn't have to lose my head over a small mistake.

getemshauna

Just go to the pay'n'spray

Smmokkee

Yes I agree

gethemshauna wrote: »

Just go to the pay'n'spray

Haha!!!

coop500

Yes I agree

BomblePants wrote: »

@coop500 What is up with you today....

What's up with me is people exaggerating my mistake on the OP.
What's up with me is I can't have a opinion on something unless it effects me.
What's up with me is I had the GALL to make a poll against the majority and the majority had to swarm here in their precious crimespree's defense.
What's up with me is people whine about the game being too easy but anytime someone suggests making it interestingly more challenging people lose their heads.
What's up with me is I was about to drop the subject but NOOOO people are still here picking on me

VaranisArano

Nah it's fine

Smmokkee wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

There would be no declining pvp combat at a certain threshold you would pass on the justice system. Say after a bounty of 25k you would become a bounty target that others could come and claim by killing you. Dont want to be engaged in PvP combat? Be a better a theif or murderer and dont get your bounty to that point.

ZOS already considered adding that to the game ages ago with the Enforcers system. They gave us Dueling instead and cancelled their plans to allow players to take missions to hunt down high bounty criminals ala Star Wars bounty hunter system.

I know but it doesnt change the fact that the justice system is a joke and this system wether you like it or not will add more depth and meaningful gameplay to ESO.

Its not like you would be forced to pvp in this system.. a 25k bounty is hard to rack up if you are playing with some level of caution.

ZOS already considered adding bounties when designing the Thieves Guild additions to the justice system. The playerbase widely panned it. ZOS couldn't figure out how to do it in a way that wouldn't amount to griefing. If you want an idea about how the average PVE player feels about having their PVE activities interrupted by PVP, do take a look at the way the PVE community views the Imperial City.

Wow, it really bothers some people that I can steal, rob, and murder while playing the Thieves Guild and Drak Brotherhood content I paid for and they can't do anything to interfere with my playtime, doesn't it?

Lol I know they scrapped the system dude..


Doesnt change what I'm saying or your saying. If pve'ers want the justice system to remain bland and boring then so be it.. murder farm to your hearts content.

Sucks that content has no real danger tied into it. I mean what kind of theif or db assassin racks up that high of a bounty... lol it promotes mindless gameplay because the consequences are a joke.

Yes. Most PVE'ers don't want their PVE content disrupted by PVP. That's obvious in the reaction to both Justice system bounties and the Imperial City. Plenty of PVPers on the other hand love to suggest this sort of system - they thrive on PVE victims, exactly the sort of system in IC that most PVEers prefer to avoid.

You can call it "bland and boring" if you like. I'll call it "getting to decide when I get ganked or not". In Cyrodiil or IC, I'm fine with getting ganked. That comes with the territory. If ZOS brought ganking into the Justice system, I'd start building the sort of PVP build that's a nasty surprise to gankers, and we'll see how long your "For Justice!" thrills last once you can't pick on just PVEers.

My point is that the players who want the Justice system to not include non-consenual PVP vastly outnumber those of you who keep begging for it. ZOS already determined that and ZOS keeps encouraging the murder-farm.

Whine and complain all you want. I'll keep playing the DLC content I bought, robbing and murdering NPCs, hiding from guards, using my counterfeit pardons, selling my stolen loot, and having fun. Because I'm playing the game as ZOS designed and implemented it.

Dapper Dinosaur

Nah it's fine

400k? Way to hyperbole. That's literally four times the amount I got it to. (I'm the poster of the other topic he mentioned)

While it's true the justice system is so laughably ineffective, I don't want it to be even more of an inconvenience when Black Market Mogul requires such an obscene amount of fencing to get a damn dye. And to answer your question, I got my bounty that high by going to a certain caravan full of gamblers you can pickpocket and kill. By the time I had gotten my bounty to 100k, I pocketed enough stolen items for two full days of 140 fences, perhaps more, due to the way the same items tend to drop and stack.

BomblePants

Nah it's fine

It’s not personal.... I enjoy your polls, you just seem so cross today....

Peace

firedrgn

The justice system is not perfect either on the other side. Lag can get u a bounty that skill would not have. Etc. Its still a punishment if u habe to log off and play a different character. It takes time to level up each character. Worry about something else.