benefit to be a stamplar vs magplar?

Trashs1

hey everyone.

well i lvled in new life event 2 templars.

1 breton magplar and 1 redguard stamplar.

i have them now equaly equiped and did some tests with jabs on the dummy.

it came out the mageplar does slightley more dmg with jabs than my stamplar Oo... whats then the point of being a stamplar? you are only a magplar without bol Oo or do i missing something??

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

So much more information is needed about your "test" that your post is almost useless.

Also need to know what in the world is "0o" is becuase you seem to have a problem with them showing you in your posts.

Trashs1

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

So much more information is needed about your "test" that your post is almost useless.

Also need to know what in the world is "0o" is becuase you seem to have a problem with them showing you in your posts.

stamplar: dw ravager+ bone pirate vma 2h backbar
mageplar trans backbar 5 overwhelming surge 2 willpower swords frontbar

Oo means shocked eyes.. like in a comic

davey1107

Uh...well, jabs is the core skill for both magic and stamina Templars. Shouldn’t the damage be similar?

In my mind, both versions of Templars do “moderate” dps, with magic being more healing and stam being tankier. They also play pretty differently because they use different weapons. They’re both sort of “buff knights” that can help the team, but with different buffs.

I think stamplars get a bit more dps when using then right skills in rotation. But they’re probsbly not miles above magplars. I like,playing both of my Templars.

KingJ

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

So much more information is needed about your "test" that your post is almost useless.

Also need to know what in the world is "0o" is becuase you seem to have a problem with them showing you in your posts.

stamplar: dw ravager+ bone pirate vma 2h backbar
mageplar trans backbar 5 overwhelming surge 2 willpower swords frontbar

Oo means shocked eyes.. like in a comic

Well one reason I think is that you don't always have the damage buff from Ravager active.So your damage on your stamplar is lower.

Trashs1

thx for coments.

KingJ wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

So much more information is needed about your "test" that your post is almost useless.

Also need to know what in the world is "0o" is becuase you seem to have a problem with them showing you in your posts.

stamplar: dw ravager+ bone pirate vma 2h backbar
mageplar trans backbar 5 overwhelming surge 2 willpower swords frontbar

Oo means shocked eyes.. like in a comic

Well one reason I think is that you don't always have the damage buff from Ravager active.So your damage on your stamplar is lower.

ofc i did watch for the buffs^^

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

So much more information is needed about your "test" that your post is almost useless.

Also need to know what in the world is "0o" is becuase you seem to have a problem with them showing you in your posts.

stamplar: dw ravager+ bone pirate vma 2h backbar
mageplar trans backbar 5 overwhelming surge 2 willpower swords frontbar

Oo means shocked eyes.. like in a comic

Are we posting in a comic? I am not, at least as far as I can tell.

So your test is completely flawed. You can't use different sets if you are going to test the damage of a skill. If you want a true test you need to use something like 5 julinanos/3 will power/ 2 torags pact swords on the magplar and 5 hundings/3 agility/ 2 shacklebreaker swords on the stamplar. With no passives unlocked. This will give you the best tests of jabs vs sweeps.

Trashs1

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

So much more information is needed about your "test" that your post is almost useless.

Also need to know what in the world is "0o" is becuase you seem to have a problem with them showing you in your posts.

stamplar: dw ravager+ bone pirate vma 2h backbar
mageplar trans backbar 5 overwhelming surge 2 willpower swords frontbar

Oo means shocked eyes.. like in a comic

Are we posting in a comic? I am not, at least as far as I can tell.

So your test is completely flawed. You can't use different sets if you are going to test the damage of a skill. If you want a true test you need to use something like 5 julinanos/3 will power/ 2 torags pact swords on the magplar and 5 hundings/3 agility/ 2 shacklebreaker swords on the stamplar. With no passives unlocked. This will give you the best tests of jabs vs sweeps.

well u are obviously one of that guys who go into the basement to lol... thx anyway

West93

Trashs1 wrote: »

hey everyone.

well i lvled in new life event 2 templars.

1 breton magplar and 1 redguard stamplar.

i have them now equaly equiped and did some tests with jabs on the dummy.

it came out the mageplar does slightley more dmg with jabs than my stamplar Oo... whats then the point of being a stamplar? you are only a magplar without bol Oo or do i missing something??

with the fix of jesus beam damage scaling, magplar is going to have slight edge over stamplar in next patch imo, however both are viable.

magplar harder to solo than stamplar, but better in group play. I would suggest you to chose a magplar, because there are so few of us that build for damage, 99% magplars I see in open world/battlegrounds are just healbots that give the class bad name.

80+ days played on magplar.

Trashs1

West93 wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

hey everyone.

well i lvled in new life event 2 templars.

1 breton magplar and 1 redguard stamplar.

i have them now equaly equiped and did some tests with jabs on the dummy.

it came out the mageplar does slightley more dmg with jabs than my stamplar Oo... whats then the point of being a stamplar? you are only a magplar without bol Oo or do i missing something??

with the fix of jesus beam damage scaling, magplar is going to have slight edge over stamplar in next patch imo, however both are viable.

magplar harder to solo than stamplar, but better in group play. I would suggest you to chose a magplar, because there are so few of us that build for damage, 99% magplars I see in open world/battlegrounds are just healbots that give the class bad name.

80+ days played on magplar.

thx for that. i have both chars ready equiped with golden wepons so..^^

just i dont udnerstand what the changes does to jabs? i dont use any minor vilnerability .. i think for me its the same.

jesus beam is finde now^^

casparian

Everyone in this thread is critizing your test. But that's beside the point. Regardless of whether mag or stam gets higher damage with Sweep/Jabs, there are plenty of reasons to choose one over the other.

Magplar:
- access to a ranged execute (jesus beam)
- access to magicka gear sets
- light armor is better than medium armor
- access to destro and resto staff weapon skills
- superior group utility
- option to be a healer
- more class abilities available

Stamplar:
- your burst (Rally) heal grants Major Brutality, giving you a free bar slot/allowing you greater potion flexibility
- access to a burst execute (Executioner)
- access to stamina gear sets
- mobility without having to be a vampire
- access to Bow, 2H, and DW weapon skills
- superior ultimate choices for PVP (Crescent Sweep > Empowering Sweep; Ballista > Soul Assault; more damage out of DBoS)
- higher DPS in PVE
- Power of the Light > Purifying Light

Choosing stamplar over magplar is just a matter of wanting more of the advantages in the Stamplar category than the Magplar category, regardless of how much damage your main spammable does.

casparian

Trashs1 wrote: »

West93 wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

hey everyone.

well i lvled in new life event 2 templars.

1 breton magplar and 1 redguard stamplar.

i have them now equaly equiped and did some tests with jabs on the dummy.

it came out the mageplar does slightley more dmg with jabs than my stamplar Oo... whats then the point of being a stamplar? you are only a magplar without bol Oo or do i missing something??

with the fix of jesus beam damage scaling, magplar is going to have slight edge over stamplar in next patch imo, however both are viable.

magplar harder to solo than stamplar, but better in group play. I would suggest you to chose a magplar, because there are so few of us that build for damage, 99% magplars I see in open world/battlegrounds are just healbots that give the class bad name.

80+ days played on magplar.

thx for that. i have both chars ready equiped with golden wepons so..^^

just i dont udnerstand what the changes does to jabs? i dont use any minor vilnerability .. i think for me its the same.

jesus beam is finde now^^

The Patch Notes mention Minor Vulnerability just as an example. The Jabs/Sweep tooltip says that it deals 140% increased damage to the nearest enemy. That's not actually true currently. Due to the way that % increase is calculated together with other % increases (and there are tons of them in this game), it ends up being a significantly lower actual damage increase than the tooltip says it is. This is what is being changed next patch. Trust me, it's not going to be the same for you.

Minno

EDIT: mis-understood the patchnotes

West93

Trashs1 wrote: »

West93 wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

hey everyone.

well i lvled in new life event 2 templars.

1 breton magplar and 1 redguard stamplar.

i have them now equaly equiped and did some tests with jabs on the dummy.

it came out the mageplar does slightley more dmg with jabs than my stamplar Oo... whats then the point of being a stamplar? you are only a magplar without bol Oo or do i missing something??

with the fix of jesus beam damage scaling, magplar is going to have slight edge over stamplar in next patch imo, however both are viable.

magplar harder to solo than stamplar, but better in group play. I would suggest you to chose a magplar, because there are so few of us that build for damage, 99% magplars I see in open world/battlegrounds are just healbots that give the class bad name.

80+ days played on magplar.

thx for that. i have both chars ready equiped with golden wepons so..^^

just i dont udnerstand what the changes does to jabs? i dont use any minor vilnerability .. i think for me its the same.

jesus beam is finde now^^

It is not just minor vulnerability, other effects like champion points were not calculated correctly to the 140% more damage bonus of jabs/sweeps and radiant destruction 330% (+20% if using radiant oppression morph), so basically you will do more damage (correct damage) even if not having minor vulnerability.

Minno

West93 wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

West93 wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

hey everyone.

well i lvled in new life event 2 templars.

1 breton magplar and 1 redguard stamplar.

i have them now equaly equiped and did some tests with jabs on the dummy.

it came out the mageplar does slightley more dmg with jabs than my stamplar Oo... whats then the point of being a stamplar? you are only a magplar without bol Oo or do i missing something??

with the fix of jesus beam damage scaling, magplar is going to have slight edge over stamplar in next patch imo, however both are viable.

magplar harder to solo than stamplar, but better in group play. I would suggest you to chose a magplar, because there are so few of us that build for damage, 99% magplars I see in open world/battlegrounds are just healbots that give the class bad name.

80+ days played on magplar.

thx for that. i have both chars ready equiped with golden wepons so..^^

just i dont udnerstand what the changes does to jabs? i dont use any minor vilnerability .. i think for me its the same.

jesus beam is finde now^^

It is not just minor vulnerability, other effects like champion points were not calculated correctly to the 140% more damage bonus of jabs/sweeps and radiant destruction 330% (+20% if using radiant oppression morph), so basically you will do more damage (correct damage) even if not having minor vulnerability.

right on! ok that is what I forgot happened.

Waffennacht

You need a nose

O.o

Or

O-o

And usually sweat goes with it

O.o;

Trashs1

West93 wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

West93 wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

hey everyone.

well i lvled in new life event 2 templars.

1 breton magplar and 1 redguard stamplar.

i have them now equaly equiped and did some tests with jabs on the dummy.

it came out the mageplar does slightley more dmg with jabs than my stamplar Oo... whats then the point of being a stamplar? you are only a magplar without bol Oo or do i missing something??

with the fix of jesus beam damage scaling, magplar is going to have slight edge over stamplar in next patch imo, however both are viable.

magplar harder to solo than stamplar, but better in group play. I would suggest you to chose a magplar, because there are so few of us that build for damage, 99% magplars I see in open world/battlegrounds are just healbots that give the class bad name.

80+ days played on magplar.

thx for that. i have both chars ready equiped with golden wepons so..^^

just i dont udnerstand what the changes does to jabs? i dont use any minor vilnerability .. i think for me its the same.

jesus beam is finde now^^

It is not just minor vulnerability, other effects like champion points were not calculated correctly to the 140% more damage bonus of jabs/sweeps and radiant destruction 330% (+20% if using radiant oppression morph), so basically you will do more damage (correct damage) even if not having minor vulnerability.

thx you and the others for the explanation.

but it seems jabs got bugged on pts in therms of healing and hitboxes when u moove... if that goes life the dmg increase is ofc negated...

also im playing next patch non cp only (im almost caped cp just dont like cp pvp) but i understand now the calculation changes

SugaComa

Trashs1 wrote: »

hey everyone.

well i lvled in new life event 2 templars.

1 breton magplar and 1 redguard stamplar.

i have them now equaly equiped and did some tests with jabs on the dummy.

it came out the mageplar does slightley more dmg with jabs than my stamplar Oo... whats then the point of being a stamplar? you are only a magplar without bol Oo or do i missing something??

Remove all gear from both don't set any championship points and try the test again thank you

Ragnarock41

for no-cp I would say stamplar is a lot of fun in medium armor. But you have to efficiently use line of sight to your advantage.
Can't say much about magplars since I never played one.

DosPanchos

I'm thinking what's the funnest? You'll become the best with the class you enjoy most. There's so many intangibles in this game it's difficult to guage pvp quality with just a dps test in my experience.

Stamplar is a ton o fun and that's why I've stuck with it.

Other skills not mentioned:
Blood Craze, jabs (major savagery), and DAWNBREAKER BABY! Also, trap beast and caltrops are pretty nice. Warewolf?
Repentance?

DosPanchos

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

So much more information is needed about your "test" that your post is almost useless.

Also need to know what in the world is "0o" is becuase you seem to have a problem with them showing you in your posts.

stamplar: dw ravager+ bone pirate vma 2h backbar
mageplar trans backbar 5 overwhelming surge 2 willpower swords frontbar

Oo means shocked eyes.. like in a comic

Are we posting in a comic? I am not, at least as far as I can tell.

So your test is completely flawed. You can't use different sets if you are going to test the damage of a skill. If you want a true test you need to use something like 5 julinanos/3 will power/ 2 torags pact swords on the magplar and 5 hundings/3 agility/ 2 shacklebreaker swords on the stamplar. With no passives unlocked. This will give you the best tests of jabs vs sweeps.

Hmm get that stick out of yo bum and just respond kindly to his question...

AND your test is flawed bc you should have the passives active to resemble actual pvp...

Everything else you said makes sense tho.

Drdeath20

Magplar has a ton of versatility.

Ok dps
Bis healer
Top end support
Ok range builds
Some fun troll builds like tank healer or blazeplar

But the 1 thing magplars dont really have is enough burst to kill a worthy foe in pvp and thats where a stamplar is better than a magplar.

FakeFox

If spamming jabs is your full rotation...gg.
So I just guess we are talking about PvE here? With a proper rotation and setup a Stamplar does way more DPS, has better sustain, better survivability and better group support.

Vapirko

Magplar is currently in an awful place in pvp, with no good options for ultimates. Stamplar is much better right now.

West93

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Magplar has a ton of versatility.

Ok dps
Bis healer
Top end support
Ok range builds
Some fun troll builds like tank healer or blazeplar

But the 1 thing magplars dont really have is enough burst to kill a worthy foe in pvp and thats where a stamplar is better than a magplar.

I disagree with the lack of magplar burst, you could build a magplar for damage (5 piece light armor, overwhelming surge,skoria + mitigation set or lich) with reasonable defense (sword and board blocking at right moments, bol, cleanse), however stamplar is still better in open world because of better mobility and easier burst poa + dawnbreaker.

My only problem with stamplar is that majority of good templar passives doesn't benefit them (example Illuminate gives minor sorcery, Mending increase healing up to 12% from restoring light) and making bowtards/snipetards kill themselves with eclipse, because they are too ignorant to break free always cracks me up.

If ZOS properly fix magplar next patch, it's gonna be good, if they don't, I'll probably take a break from ESO and cancel sub.