Talos/Tiber Septim

generalmyrick

I cannot decide what "Tiber Septim" would be if I made a character around him....

Nord or Breton?

Sorc or DK or Magblade or? (dks aren't storm related, neither are magblades technically...)
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So I ask you loremasters!!!!

what would tiber be as a class and race in eso as a character i could build?

here is a link to help if you don't have it = http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Tiber_Septim

Aliyavana

Who? That sounds like someone that doesn't exist yet :P

WuffyCerulei

Ain't he an Imperial? Nord? Either of those, I can't remember.

dodgehopper_ESO

I would imagine he's on the continuum of Nord, Breton and Imperial. They're all human and the differences aren't exactly one or the other. It is also intentionally unclear from the lore what he is. He was known as Hjalti though which doesn't sound like anything but Nord to me except for the fact he is known as Hjalti Early Beard of High Rock. High rock is of course Breton. This isn't strange however when you consider that the Breton people are themselves of Nordic stock and mixed with the Direnni. So what was Hjalti? Maybe he was just a Nord that grew up in High Rock. Maybe he was Nordic and had a little Breton/Reachman ancestry. Who knows they leave it intentionally unclear. As for the classes: None of the ESO classes sound appropriate to me for Tiber Septim. He was an Imperial Soldier that trained with the Graybeards. I would offer that the Sorcerer class doesn't make much sense for Tiber apart from the Hurricane skill but honestly 'Hurricane' is a weak comparison to the stormcalling that a Dragonborn trained in the voice can do. Just play Skyrim you'll see what I mean.

ArgonianTemplar

Tiber Septim was a Nord, but founded the Imperials...so he's kind of both? Imperials and Nords have the same ancestors I don't know exactly when the two diverged.

He was most certainly not a Breton, because Bretons are a mix of human and elf from a period when elves enslaved humans. That's why they look mostly human but have magic abilities more like an elf.

casparian

Tiber Septim was a fiction created by Hjalti Early-Beard (a Breton, probably raised in High Rock, though later it became the case that he was from Atmora), Wulfharth the Ash-King (an undead Nord warlord thirsting for revenge on his Dunmer enemies), and Zurin Arctus (a politically savvy Imperial battlemage).

Hjalti was basically the star general of an early claimant to the Imperial throne, one Cuhlecain. In fact, he became so much of a star (due to Wulfharth's empowering of him and Zurin's political machinations) that his fame swiftly eclipsed that of the emperor himself, so eventually when the emperor passes (or is gotten rid of), Hjalti is pretty much guaranteed to replace him. But the thing is, the star that everyone loved and followed and believe in, Tiber Septim, was just an image -- a fabrication based on some truth (after all, Hjalti-empowered-by-Wulfharth really was amazingly powerful), but a fabrication all the same. There never was one person named Tiber Septim -- until, thanks to the Numidium, there was.

So you could probably make him Breton, Nord, or Imperial, depending on which player in the little drama you want to RP.

generalmyrick

im going nord sorc.

FUN!

tyjoie

Tiber Septim was (most likely)a Breton who grew up in Skyrim who would later go on to rule an empire out of Cyrodiil, adopting a more imperial name and identity. Make of that what you wish.

Xvorg

ArgonianTemplar wrote: »

Tiber Septim was a Nord, but founded the Imperials...so he's kind of both? Imperials and Nords have the same ancestors I don't know exactly when the two diverged.

He was most certainly not a Breton, because Bretons are a mix of human and elf from a period when elves enslaved humans. That's why they look mostly human but have magic abilities more like an elf.

No, Imperials are waaaaaay older than Tiber Septim. Imperials are decendants of Alessians

Xvorg

casparian wrote: »

Tiber Septim was a fiction created by Hjalti Early-Beard (a Breton, probably raised in High Rock, though later it became the case that he was from Atmora), Wulfharth the Ash-King (an undead Nord warlord thirsting for revenge on his Dunmer enemies), and Zurin Arctus (a politically savvy Imperial battlemage).

Hjalti was basically the star general of an early claimant to the Imperial throne, one Cuhlecain. In fact, he became so much of a star (due to Wulfharth's empowering of him and Zurin's political machinations) that his fame swiftly eclipsed that of the emperor himself, so eventually when the emperor passes (or is gotten rid of), Hjalti is pretty much guaranteed to replace him. But the thing is, the star that everyone loved and followed and believe in, Tiber Septim, was just an image -- a fabrication based on some truth (after all, Hjalti-empowered-by-Wulfharth really was amazingly powerful), but a fabrication all the same. There never was one person named Tiber Septim -- until, thanks to the Numidium, there was.

So you could probably make him Breton, Nord, or Imperial, depending on which player in the little drama you want to RP.

That doesn't explain the fact that Tiber Septim descendants were able to wear the Chim-el-Adabal. So it would make Tiber Septim a descendant of Alessia?

generalmyrick

my nord sorc is beast....just saying.

TALOS!!!!

casparian

Xvorg wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Tiber Septim was a fiction created by Hjalti Early-Beard (a Breton, probably raised in High Rock, though later it became the case that he was from Atmora), Wulfharth the Ash-King (an undead Nord warlord thirsting for revenge on his Dunmer enemies), and Zurin Arctus (a politically savvy Imperial battlemage).

Hjalti was basically the star general of an early claimant to the Imperial throne, one Cuhlecain. In fact, he became so much of a star (due to Wulfharth's empowering of him and Zurin's political machinations) that his fame swiftly eclipsed that of the emperor himself, so eventually when the emperor passes (or is gotten rid of), Hjalti is pretty much guaranteed to replace him. But the thing is, the star that everyone loved and followed and believe in, Tiber Septim, was just an image -- a fabrication based on some truth (after all, Hjalti-empowered-by-Wulfharth really was amazingly powerful), but a fabrication all the same. There never was one person named Tiber Septim -- until, thanks to the Numidium, there was.

So you could probably make him Breton, Nord, or Imperial, depending on which player in the little drama you want to RP.

That doesn't explain the fact that Tiber Septim descendants were able to wear the Chim-el-Adabal. So it would make Tiber Septim a descendant of Alessia?

Neither the official story (he was born in Atmora) nor the heretical story (he was a fictional construct created around Hjalti) has him as a descendant of Alessia. There's no lore (beyond Imperial propaganda) establishing that only a certain bloodline can wear the amulet, and certainly the Empire understood the Septim and Reman dynasties (both of which wore the Amulet) as being distinct bloodlines.

Xvorg

casparian wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Tiber Septim was a fiction created by Hjalti Early-Beard (a Breton, probably raised in High Rock, though later it became the case that he was from Atmora), Wulfharth the Ash-King (an undead Nord warlord thirsting for revenge on his Dunmer enemies), and Zurin Arctus (a politically savvy Imperial battlemage).

Hjalti was basically the star general of an early claimant to the Imperial throne, one Cuhlecain. In fact, he became so much of a star (due to Wulfharth's empowering of him and Zurin's political machinations) that his fame swiftly eclipsed that of the emperor himself, so eventually when the emperor passes (or is gotten rid of), Hjalti is pretty much guaranteed to replace him. But the thing is, the star that everyone loved and followed and believe in, Tiber Septim, was just an image -- a fabrication based on some truth (after all, Hjalti-empowered-by-Wulfharth really was amazingly powerful), but a fabrication all the same. There never was one person named Tiber Septim -- until, thanks to the Numidium, there was.

So you could probably make him Breton, Nord, or Imperial, depending on which player in the little drama you want to RP.

That doesn't explain the fact that Tiber Septim descendants were able to wear the Chim-el-Adabal. So it would make Tiber Septim a descendant of Alessia?

Neither the official story (he was born in Atmora) nor the heretical story (he was a fictional construct created around Hjalti) has him as a descendant of Alessia. There's no lore (beyond Imperial propaganda) establishing that only a certain bloodline can wear the amulet, and certainly the Empire understood the Septim and Reman dynasties (both of which wore the Amulet) as being distinct bloodlines.

So it was Akatosh will at the end. He decided who was worthy of wearing the amulet and he did so with the Septim and the Reman

It is quite sad Varen had no merits, then... in fact, the very same Akatosh could have stopped the planemeld just by leting Varen wear the Amulet

Iccotak

He is pretty much a Nord. As I recall he is from Atmora

wenchmore420b14_ESO

2E 827

Talos (or Hjalti Early-Beard), later is known as Tiber Septim, the first Emperor of Septim dynasty, is born. His birthplace is unclear, being listed to us as both Atmora and Anticlere.
Source: Pocket Guide to the Empire 1st Edition: Cyrodiil, Holidays of the Iliac Bay.

Imperials were started after the Slave Revolt of Alessia in 1E242.

notimetocare

casparian wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Tiber Septim was a fiction created by Hjalti Early-Beard (a Breton, probably raised in High Rock, though later it became the case that he was from Atmora), Wulfharth the Ash-King (an undead Nord warlord thirsting for revenge on his Dunmer enemies), and Zurin Arctus (a politically savvy Imperial battlemage).

Hjalti was basically the star general of an early claimant to the Imperial throne, one Cuhlecain. In fact, he became so much of a star (due to Wulfharth's empowering of him and Zurin's political machinations) that his fame swiftly eclipsed that of the emperor himself, so eventually when the emperor passes (or is gotten rid of), Hjalti is pretty much guaranteed to replace him. But the thing is, the star that everyone loved and followed and believe in, Tiber Septim, was just an image -- a fabrication based on some truth (after all, Hjalti-empowered-by-Wulfharth really was amazingly powerful), but a fabrication all the same. There never was one person named Tiber Septim -- until, thanks to the Numidium, there was.

So you could probably make him Breton, Nord, or Imperial, depending on which player in the little drama you want to RP.

That doesn't explain the fact that Tiber Septim descendants were able to wear the Chim-el-Adabal. So it would make Tiber Septim a descendant of Alessia?

Neither the official story (he was born in Atmora) nor the heretical story (he was a fictional construct created around Hjalti) has him as a descendant of Alessia. There's no lore (beyond Imperial propaganda) establishing that only a certain bloodline can wear the amulet, and certainly the Empire understood the Septim and Reman dynasties (both of which wore the Amulet) as being distinct bloodlines.

Except the events of Oblivion. The only other person to wear the Amulet had been Mankhar Cameron during the game

Kierro

Xvorg wrote: »

So it was Akatosh will at the end. He decided who was worthy of wearing the amulet and he did so with the Septim and the Reman

It is quite sad Varen had no merits, then... in fact, the very same Akatosh could have stopped the planemeld just by leting Varen wear the Amulet

True, but we don't know if that would of helped. It could of gave Molag Bal even more power over Nirn.

swippy

Xvorg wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Tiber Septim was a fiction created by Hjalti Early-Beard (a Breton, probably raised in High Rock, though later it became the case that he was from Atmora), Wulfharth the Ash-King (an undead Nord warlord thirsting for revenge on his Dunmer enemies), and Zurin Arctus (a politically savvy Imperial battlemage).

Hjalti was basically the star general of an early claimant to the Imperial throne, one Cuhlecain. In fact, he became so much of a star (due to Wulfharth's empowering of him and Zurin's political machinations) that his fame swiftly eclipsed that of the emperor himself, so eventually when the emperor passes (or is gotten rid of), Hjalti is pretty much guaranteed to replace him. But the thing is, the star that everyone loved and followed and believe in, Tiber Septim, was just an image -- a fabrication based on some truth (after all, Hjalti-empowered-by-Wulfharth really was amazingly powerful), but a fabrication all the same. There never was one person named Tiber Septim -- until, thanks to the Numidium, there was.

So you could probably make him Breton, Nord, or Imperial, depending on which player in the little drama you want to RP.

That doesn't explain the fact that Tiber Septim descendants were able to wear the Chim-el-Adabal. So it would make Tiber Septim a descendant of Alessia?

Neither the official story (he was born in Atmora) nor the heretical story (he was a fictional construct created around Hjalti) has him as a descendant of Alessia. There's no lore (beyond Imperial propaganda) establishing that only a certain bloodline can wear the amulet, and certainly the Empire understood the Septim and Reman dynasties (both of which wore the Amulet) as being distinct bloodlines.

Akatosh could have stopped the planemeld just by leting Varen wear the Amulet

sure he could have, but why would he? he laid out a very clear deal, and the mortals tried to scheme their way around it. it's only fair to let them clean up their own mess.

imagine your daughter asks for a cookie and you say "not now, we're having dinner soon". she sneaks off to the cookie jar and takes one anyway and you find her eating it. do you just say "aww that's okay, we'll just have cookies for dinner!"
hopefully not. that's grounds for a scolding, even if scolding her will tire you out a bit.

if Akatosh just lets the mortals make up their own rules for the Alessian Covenant he won't be revered as an authority, and the power derived from that reverence is basically the only thing he's set to gain out of the deal.

swippy

notimetocare wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Tiber Septim was a fiction created by Hjalti Early-Beard (a Breton, probably raised in High Rock, though later it became the case that he was from Atmora), Wulfharth the Ash-King (an undead Nord warlord thirsting for revenge on his Dunmer enemies), and Zurin Arctus (a politically savvy Imperial battlemage).

Hjalti was basically the star general of an early claimant to the Imperial throne, one Cuhlecain. In fact, he became so much of a star (due to Wulfharth's empowering of him and Zurin's political machinations) that his fame swiftly eclipsed that of the emperor himself, so eventually when the emperor passes (or is gotten rid of), Hjalti is pretty much guaranteed to replace him. But the thing is, the star that everyone loved and followed and believe in, Tiber Septim, was just an image -- a fabrication based on some truth (after all, Hjalti-empowered-by-Wulfharth really was amazingly powerful), but a fabrication all the same. There never was one person named Tiber Septim -- until, thanks to the Numidium, there was.

So you could probably make him Breton, Nord, or Imperial, depending on which player in the little drama you want to RP.

That doesn't explain the fact that Tiber Septim descendants were able to wear the Chim-el-Adabal. So it would make Tiber Septim a descendant of Alessia?

Neither the official story (he was born in Atmora) nor the heretical story (he was a fictional construct created around Hjalti) has him as a descendant of Alessia. There's no lore (beyond Imperial propaganda) establishing that only a certain bloodline can wear the amulet, and certainly the Empire understood the Septim and Reman dynasties (both of which wore the Amulet) as being distinct bloodlines.

Except the events of Oblivion. The only other person to wear the Amulet had been Mankhar Cameron during the game

the history of the Amulet is much longer than the events of TES:3. Akatosh grants the Dragonblood at his choosing.

ZOS_Holden

generalmyrick wrote: »

im going nord sorc.

FUN!

Great answer, and bonus points for choosing the class most likely (maybe) to travel through time! Feel free to let us know, or show us, how your character turns out.

generalmyrick

ZOS_Holden wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

im going nord sorc.

FUN!

Great answer, and bonus points for choosing the class most likely (maybe) to travel through time! Feel free to let us know, or show us, how your character turns out.

whoaaaaaaaa!!!1

what does travel through time mean!?

cool6654

Breton nightblade.

Saphayla

generalmyrick wrote: »

ZOS_Holden wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

im going nord sorc.

FUN!

Great answer, and bonus points for choosing the class most likely (maybe) to travel through time! Feel free to let us know, or show us, how your character turns out.

whoaaaaaaaa!!!1

what does travel through time mean!?

Perhaps it's a reference to the fact that there's still a while to go between ESO and Talos, so he'd have to be a time traveler to exist during the Alliance War

generalmyrick

oh!

the dlcs all point to tiber imo! :-)

Shadow_Akula

Saphayla wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

ZOS_Holden wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

im going nord sorc.

FUN!

Great answer, and bonus points for choosing the class most likely (maybe) to travel through time! Feel free to let us know, or show us, how your character turns out.

whoaaaaaaaa!!!1

what does travel through time mean!?

Perhaps it's a reference to the fact that there's still a while to go between ESO and Talos, so he'd have to be a time traveler to exist during the Alliance War

Yep, about 250 years roughly between ESO (582 for the base game storyline) & Talos (828, the birthdate of Talos), then add some years for talos to grow up a bit.

Kajuratus

casparian wrote: »

Tiber Septim was a fiction created by Hjalti Early-Beard (a Breton, probably raised in High Rock, though later it became the case that he was from Atmora), Wulfharth the Ash-King (an undead Nord warlord thirsting for revenge on his Dunmer enemies), and Zurin Arctus (a politically savvy Imperial battlemage).

Where did you get the information that Hjalti was a Breton? Hjalti Early-Beard sounds like a very Nordic sounding name to me. Remember that a Nord born in High Rock doesn't make said Nord a Breton. Culturally, sure since he grew up in Alcaire, but racially? Still a Nord

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Kajuratus wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Tiber Septim was a fiction created by Hjalti Early-Beard (a Breton, probably raised in High Rock, though later it became the case that he was from Atmora), Wulfharth the Ash-King (an undead Nord warlord thirsting for revenge on his Dunmer enemies), and Zurin Arctus (a politically savvy Imperial battlemage).

Where did you get the information that Hjalti was a Breton? Hjalti Early-Beard sounds like a very Nordic sounding name to me. Remember that a Nord born in High Rock doesn't make said Nord a Breton. Culturally, sure since he grew up in Alcaire, but racially? Still a Nord

Agree. Where did you get this from? It sounds like "Fan Fiction" or some of MK's later ramblings.
Talos was a man and born probably in Atmora. He was a Nord.

2E 827
Talos (or Hjalti Early-Beard), later is known as Tiber Septim, the first Emperor of Septim dynasty, is born. His birthplace is unclear, being listed to us as both Atmora and Anticlere.
Source: Pocket Guide to the Empire 1st Edition: Cyrodiil, Holidays of the Iliac Bay.

psychotrip

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Ain't he an Imperial? Nord? Either of those, I can't remember.

The man we call "Talos" is a breton named Hjalti Early-Beard who was born on the isle of Alcaire. This has been a "heretical" theory since Morrowind, but it was all but confirmed in Skyrim when the ghost who thinks you're Tiber Septim explicitly calls you "Hjalti".

Tiber Septim was basically a clever charlatan who was aligned with a powerful battlemage and a nordic ghost who had The Voice. They all conspired together to take over Tamriel and kill Hjalti's commander, Cuhlecain. The ghost left Hjalti sometime after he killed Cuhlecain, which is the real reason he "lost" The Voice after Cuhlecain died.

After Hjalti died, his followers created a myth out of his accomplishments which eventually combined the exploits of Hjalti, the ghost, and the battlemage, creating the modern interpretation of a being called "Talos".

So, short answer: "Tiber Septim" was a breton, not a nord and definitely not an imperial.

The reason Hjalti is a breton with such a "nordic" name is because when this lore was created, the idea was that "ancient" humans had different naming schemes than we have today. This is also why many in-game authors have names that don't match up with any of the current naming schemes, and it's why many bretons had more nordic-sounding names "back in the day". This was all thrown out with ESO, where they decided to make all the human cultures much more stagnant and similar to their modern counterparts.

Source: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Arcturian_Heresy and http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Ghost_of_Old_Hroldan