Is it too much to ask for a Search function at guild traders?

SmellyUnlimited

How many times how you been checking to see if a certain piece of equipment is on sale?

I was looking for a Wizard’s Riposte ring. I “should” easily have been able to type “Riposte” in a search bar and see all items at that trader with that word.
But no, I had to scroll through absurd amounts of Endurance ring’s that no one ever wants and other junk to see that.....the trader didn’t have them.

This seems so incredibly basic that I thought I must have been doing it incorrectly this whole time. Nope. No function to be found.
(I’m on console)
Well ir’s only been on console about 3 years. A bit soon I know to be asking for such grand gestures. But maybe a New Year’s miracle will happen...

Bryong9ub17_ESO

https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/

Dawnblade

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/

Works for those of us on PC, but sadly not for those stuck on consoles.

Also the site, while nice, is not updated in real time - so it is possible to search for items on the site, travel to the trader, and find the item already sold / removed - not to mention still needing to sort through the terrible store UI (if not using an add-on with search and filters).

Anyways, TTC / MM + Awesome Guild Stores make the best of the clunky backwards trading system in ESO.

ccfeeling

ZOS makes everything not user friendly .
Why ?
Crown store

Korah_Eaglecry

Working As Intended.

Betsararie

It is for ZOS

would be a shame to not play this game on PC.

LordMitchell123

Dawnblade wrote: »

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/

Works for those of us on PC, but sadly not for those stuck on consoles.

Also the site, while nice, is not updated in real time - so it is possible to search for items on the site, travel to the trader, and find the item already sold / removed - not to mention still needing to sort through the terrible store UI (if not using an add-on with search and filters).

Anyways, TTC / MM + Awesome Guild Stores make the best of the clunky backwards trading system in ESO.

At the homepage you can select server (Na/Eu) and platform (Pc/Xbox/ps4) so don't see how console won't benefit from it..
I agree this system is far from perfect, but it helps a lot. Browsing through the items of a certain trader or having to check all traders and then find your item still saves you a lot of time.

elantaura

The interface sucks, I can handle going to vendor to vendor but the it does feel like a sadististic design . Ie: need a writ woodwork so select gold filter through a pile of rings, jewlery, skulls, tempers, wax other stolen pariphinalia find one - nope it's blacksmith etc move to next vendor so x 6. I'm so glad we have category's to put stuff in like writs.....oh hang on..

So I need motifs more particularly 1 so I set to purple set motifs to 20k and still I find hollowjack and skinchanger mixed in with about 30 other types in 14 different parts to sort then times that x6 vendors and I haven't even left the zone...

There goes 10 mins. And I didn't find what I wanted yay. I didn't look for the other things I wanted as it's means I won't actually play the game today.
Going zone to zone would not be as bad if the UI was not so completley and thoroughly obnoxious.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

ZoS is a strange beast the bars were very clearly made for consoles. Searches we made for no one and best of all classes were made to do a job in a role and nerfed for doing just what they were made for.

I gave up on hope for ZoS awhile back.

Apache_Kid

And yet i can type into a search bar when trying to buy furniture from the crownstore on my home decorating interface. Crazy how that works!

boombazookajd

Search function or a dang auction house. Really, its a major pain to run through the lists just to find something. Auction houses would be great too..but i am sure this has been covered a million times.

Jarryzzt

1. My impression is that they wanted to make the UI console-friendly, which means no typing.

2. However I've argued in more than one thread that they ought to just add another level to the search drop-down boxes which would show item names from the store's current inventory. There is a bit of a technical quirk as you'd ideally want to enable this drop-down box only after selecting a specific item type (otherwise it would have to load the store's entire inventory), but in principle this is doable.

3. In the ideal, the whole UI ought to be redesigned to be more user-friendly - put differently, if so many people are using specific UI add-ons perhaps these ought to be part of the actual UI. However, this would be a lot of work, time, effort, et cetera, so one can only tepidly and tenuously hold out hope for #2 coming to pass this decade.

SmellyUnlimited

Jarryzzt wrote: »

1. My impression is that they wanted to make the UI console-friendly, which means no typing.

2. However I've argued in more than one thread that they ought to just add another level to the search drop-down boxes which would show item names from the store's current inventory. There is a bit of a technical quirk as you'd ideally want to enable this drop-down box only after selecting a specific item type (otherwise it would have to load the store's entire inventory), but in principle this is doable.

3. In the ideal, the whole UI ought to be redesigned to be more user-friendly - put differently, if so many people are using specific UI add-ons perhaps these ought to be part of the actual UI. However, this would be a lot of work, time, effort, et cetera, so one can only tepidly and tenuously hold out hope for #2 coming to pass this decade.

Well, this may have been true, but since Morrowind they added text chat onto console, and ever since it’s become the prime communication tool for everything except trials.

I mean, even clicking on the search and having to type via controller would be less time-consuming. I can’t even imagine the pain the guy went through searching for a motif. That kind of time sink just saps so much energy to play the game.

That’s my biggest problem, the absurd amount of time it all takes. I need to buy stuff quickly so I can get back to wasting absurd amounts of time waiting for Cyrodil zones to load!

kyle.wilson

If you are on PC, Awesome Guild Store does what you want.
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info695-AwesomeGuildStore.html
The basic functions of the add-on should be part of the games UI.

SmellyUnlimited

Sadly no add-ons for console =(

Even for PC, it seems like something like a search function should have easily been integrated eons ago. So incredibly shameful on ZOS’s part for making it so players have to use a private website just to navigate their clunky, non-user friendly guild stores.

Especially true considering how much guilds pay to get guild store spots. You can equate that to time collectively spent by guild members directly or indirectly contributing to the guild bank, and then that money goes to the game for prime real estate.

So time in to acquire +considerable time spent searching = players buying (hypothetically) 40% less than they otherwise would with a respectable UI. ZOS takes our money, and we get an interface that’s not even at a beta test level.

Cpt_Teemo

Eso could make do with an auction house now a days, auction house works in every mmo to current date.

Acrolas

I'd be fine with them swapping out the guild interface for the crown housing interface.
I'd be fine with them them swapping out the bank interface for the crown housing interface.

It would take some extra work, but I think that's the baseline everyone wants: search function, item categories for things like gear traits, and alphabetical category listings.

The only possible downside is that it could take longer for listings to show up if each one goes through a more robust sorting process.

Dracofyre

questions are, are they (devs) making players to quit in frustrations?
no patience = no sales made
most trader vendors "owned' by bot scripters, they own and monopolized every week, preventing any smaller guilds want to sell items.
no search format = lost playing time and massive time sink for those who looking for specific items as they go vendor to vendor in mad cycles ot run arounds.

SmellyUnlimited

Dracofyre wrote: »

questions are, are they (devs) making players to quit in frustrations?
no patience = no sales made
most trader vendors "owned' by bot scripters, they own and monopolized every week, preventing any smaller guilds want to sell items.
no search format = lost playing time and massive time sink for those who looking for specific items as they go vendor to vendor in mad cycles ot run arounds.

That’s an interesting point. Guild stores could very well be RNG by design.

If you have a system in place that forces players to spend inordinate amounts of time shopping in game, then they very well may choose to shop in the crown store just for ease of use. Granted, items aren’t the same, but people also want to have something to show for their time. Frustration may a big component of what really drives the crown store.

Example: Let’s say a grocery store stopped grouping items by kind. Instead, they group things by their source. So “Cow”has any and all dairy, beef, jerky, broth, gelatin, etc. it gets even more absurd when they group by “Plant.” In addition, not only are the sub categories daunting, but the actual layout is incredibly arbitrary. Different milks in different places, eggs spread sporadically throughout, yogurt is used to just “fill in dead space.” Why go through all that trouble!? Instead, buy items that are “not necessarily” useful things, but pretty things at the grocery’s “SaverPlus” exclusive membership section. By contrast, it’s night and day. Can’t find the milk you need, but they have home furnishings in easy to read, palatable displays. Remove frustration = increase sales.

It’s the only thing that makes a modicum of sense. Surely someone there mentioned a search function ages ago, but the only reason it wasn’t implicated would have to be profit-driven. Whatever the reason, the result is an unnavigable guild store, and an incredibly easy to use crown store. THAT’s the proof.

LadyAstrum

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

ZoS is a strange beast the bars were very clearly made for consoles. Searches we made for no one and best of all classes were made to do a job in a role and nerfed for doing just what they were made for.

I gave up on hope for ZoS awhile back.

Probably an unpopular opinion, but this is why I dislike it when games are multi-platform. It seems as though baseline features on PC are over-simplified for the sake of console.

AnviOfVai

I also hate it, I can be sat there on the console for ages scrolling for one item, last night it was the Marksman ring...still not got it.

Chadak

The entire auction system is a sack of boiled garbage, mostly courtesy of the UI and lack of features that don't easily work through add-ons.

Frankly, I'd like to make whomever came up with this dumpster fire of an auction system wash my driveway with a toothbrush, because they clearly take a perverse delight in obscene degrees of pointless tedium, and my driveway needs a wash.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Don’t worry. Quite some time ago they said it was something they wanted to look at... although maybe they meant just look at it...

zaria

kyle.wilson wrote: »

If you are on PC, Awesome Guild Store does what you want.
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info695-AwesomeGuildStore.html
The basic functions of the add-on should be part of the games UI.

This and it would be added so search was server side, else its pretty perfect even store searches so you can search multiple stores for multiple items fast.

N00BxV1

kyle.wilson wrote: »

If you are on PC, Awesome Guild Store does what you want.
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info695-AwesomeGuildStore.html
The basic functions of the add-on should be part of the games UI.

Doesn't work with the Gamepad UI on PC. As a matter of fact most addons either don't work properly or at all with the Gamepad UI. And I feels for the console users - unable to use any sort of 3rd party app/etc unless their console is hacked and can run unsigned code.

I always see people suggesting addons for things that should already be in the base game: search function in bank/store/inventory, show complete character stats, a freaking minimap, etc. With the mentality of "just use 3rd party" the devs are allowed to feel like they don't have to do part of their job. Addons should add optional elements to the game, not be relied on to give basic information and functionality.

AlnilamE

Agreed. I've said for years they should incorporate the AwesomeGuildStore addon into the default UI.

radiostar

Yes, it is.

Danksta

I think ZoS should just buy these add-ons that everyone uses on PC so they can just make it part of the base game.

Ruckly

Try finding an arch-mage shield in the whole of Tamriel without that website.

A_G_G_R_O

TOP KEK, console players be like I don’t play pc cause Miats and cheat engine, no one can use cheat engine due to server side stats outside of speed or location hacks which rubber band you or get you dropped from server and Miats getting removed. But they’d rather not be able to even play in cyrodiil infinite load screens on another level, beat trials months after pc because they get disconnected every boss pull, actually watch guides and memorize lorebook and skyshard locations, manually search guild traders, the most horrible buff tracker, the most terrible 30 FPS experience of your life... but atleast you don’t gotta deal with that Miats and non existent cheat engine players! Or those pesky botters that actually stimulate the economy of a dying mmo, gotta love those cheap temperings....

Jade1986

N00BxV1 wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

If you are on PC, Awesome Guild Store does what you want.
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info695-AwesomeGuildStore.html
The basic functions of the add-on should be part of the games UI.

Doesn't work with the Gamepad UI on PC. As a matter of fact most addons either don't work properly or at all with the Gamepad UI. And I feels for the console users - unable to use any sort of 3rd party app/etc unless their console is hacked and can run unsigned code.

I always see people suggesting addons for things that should already be in the base game: search function in bank/store/inventory, show complete character stats, a freaking minimap, etc. With the mentality of "just use 3rd party" the devs are allowed to feel like they don't have to do part of their job. Addons should add optional elements to the game, not be relied on to give basic information and functionality.

This is why I was against addons from the get go. Its typical bethesda / zos mentality. Make the husk of the game / ui, and leave the hard work to the modders / add on authors.