moved

DoctorESO

moved

monktoasty

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

Nope..sorry.

Jimmy

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

Yep..sorry.

badmojo

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

As long as people don't need to buy them in order to progress in the game.

Hippie4927

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

No one is forced to buy them so........yes, keep the game running!

DieAlteHexe

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

I'm okay with them now. If it helps the game continue to continue, all to the good. I buy them for fun.

FearlessOne_2014

Lol wut poll is this? Come on how these aren't even options of voting. This is a pseudo-poll which you are trying to imprint your statement of will on others through others.


How able simple yes or no poll option without your forceful views in them?\


On a side note if just for the sake of keeping ESO alive then no. If I'm not enjoying the game at all. And the devs shows no intent on providing me with entertainment. Then the crown crates can burn in a fire for all I care.


However if for the sake of supporting a game which I enjoy. And has a pretty good dev team. The regardless if the devs. need the money or not. I'll gladly support them not only through crown crates but by other purchases as well.

NB4 Snide remarks I'll leave these here to give you a taste of my crown crate journey in this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlt-avviQGc

This was just this time around for me too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwbFBBtrRH0

redspecter23

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

If crown crates were necessary for the game to operate, I'd suggest they look a little harder at other variables. There is no way that they are necessary. Other things could be changed to allow the game to continue running if money is an issue.

Now if the question was "Could crown crates be implemented in a way that you'd be ok with?" then there are at least a few things they could do there that would offend my intelligence a bit less. They could post odds for all items in the crates as well as full removal of crate only mounts (so that all items can be purchased with gems). Still predatory but not shady and predatory mixed together.

Bryanonymous

Pointless hypothetical. Like a poll asking if you want to save dying children by donating all your savings, and the second choice is to let them die. Those are not choices based on reality.

Menelaos

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

There are greener pastures. Academically, hypothetically and also realistically.

Magdalina

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

Lol no. If a game HAS to rely on lootboxes gambling in order to stay afloat because its actual content doesn't entice the players anymore then the game has already failed.

lzzy

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

ESO would die a quick death if it devolved to that point. Especially if the player base at large were aware of the fact.

Aliyavana

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

as long as its not p2w

Darkstorne

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

Magdalina wrote: »

Lol no. If a game HAS to rely on lootboxes gambling in order to stay afloat because its actual content doesn't entice the players anymore then the game has already failed.

This. Plus the usual facts about Crates preying on people who aren't smart with their money but will post here defending their right to throw literally hundreds and thousands away on Crates every season for new pixels to ride around on anyway, blissfully unaware of how much they're getting used.

Drakkdjinn

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

No. That's what subscriptions are for, casinos are always optional.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

Magdalina wrote: »

Lol no. If a game HAS to rely on lootboxes gambling in order to stay afloat because its actual content doesn't entice the players anymore then the game has already failed.

@Magdalina , thank you for putting it more succinctly than I would have.

Tandor

Pointless poll. I'd vote for the option that said there was no problem with crown crates in ESO in the first place.

Note that I'm not a fan of all lockboxes in all games, there are good and bad examples, but in this case it doesn't involve P2W, all crates contain items worth a reasonable amount in relation to the stake, and neither the crates nor their contents are remotely necessary to play the game. Moreover, you don't even need to spend real money on them if you rely on subscription crowns and event offers to get them. Lastly, compared to most games the crates aren't rammed in your face the whole time (other than by their critics who can't mention them enough, which must be a real advertising bonanza for developers).

What I have yet to see in any discussion of this subject is any indication from opponents of crown crates (or indeed opponents of lockboxes generally in any other discussion of the wider topic) as to how they would be willing to contribute alternative revenue sources if crates/lockboxes were outlawed completely. Higher prices in the Crown Store? Most players complain at the prices already. Higher subscription rates? Many players decline to subscribe as they don't see enough benefit at the present rates.

The only crown crates I've bought were a few when they were initially launched, solely to see what the fuss was about. I was totally happy with the outcome, but as I have no interest in cosmetic things like mounts and costumes and have no need for potions etc I haven't bought a single one since. However, I've opened the free ones I've received from time to time and would have considered the contents a fair return if I had paid for them. If people choose to support the game in that way then I have no problem with that, and I wouldn't dream of comparing them to more traditional forms of gambling where you either win or lose your stake entirely.

Nerouyn

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

I voted no because this is an idiotic question.

ESO is owned by Zenimax.

ESO may have underperformed but Zenimax are filthy rich from the single-player Elder Scrolls and Fallout games. Shutting down ESO would be a massive admission of failure which would hurt their brand. They'll never do it.

As for crates and the crown store, I'm afraid they've definitely crossed to the dark side several times so I can no longer defend them. The Telvanni tower - hideous as it was - and now the Orc manor as limited time crown store purchases. No. Core Elder Scrolls stuff sold like that kills the game.

Their catch-phrase is "play how you want" except stuff like this *** on it. Just yesterday I was looking at my dunmer in his gorgeous morag tong armour on the awesome nix mount and thinking - that character would be completed by a mushroom tower. But it's not possible.

And that's the horrible realisation which could turn off a lot of potential new players.

Eg. I was lucky enough to see the elk coming and knew from the glow kitty incident how that was going to play out. So I had discounted crowns ready. My bosmer and to a slightly less extent altmer characters look fantastic on that mount. But I met a new player earlier in the year who saw me on it and asked how they could get it. They were ready to throw down money. They had subscribed and bought the merchant. I had to tell them it was nigh impossible - that they'd have to wait an unknown amount of time for them to turn up in crown crates and then have to gamble for them, potentially at exorbitant cost. Understandably they were disappointed.

They're still in my friends list. I gave them access to my house for crafting stations etc. I know they stopped playing. The unavailability of things like this probably fed into that.

It's not "just cosmetic". This is a game in a visual medium and cosmetics like this definitely matter.

Prof_Bawbag

Tandor wrote: »

Pointless poll. I'd vote for the option that said there was no problem with crown crates in ESO in the first place.

Note that I'm not a fan of all lockboxes in all games, there are good and bad examples, but in this case it doesn't involve P2W, all crates contain items worth a reasonable amount in relation to the stake, and neither the crates nor their contents are remotely necessary to play the game. Moreover, you don't even need to spend real money on them if you rely on subscription crowns and event offers to get them. Lastly, compared to most games the crates aren't rammed in your face the whole time (other than by their critics who can't mention them enough, which must be a real advertising bonanza for developers).

What I have yet to see in any discussion of this subject is any indication from opponents of crown crates (or indeed opponents of lockboxes generally in any other discussion of the wider topic) as to how they would be willing to contribute alternative revenue sources if crates/lockboxes were outlawed completely. Higher prices in the Crown Store? Most players complain at the prices already. Higher subscription rates? Many players decline to subscribe as they don't see enough benefit at the present rates.

The only crown crates I've bought were a few when they were initially launched, solely to see what the fuss was about. I was totally happy with the outcome, but as I have no interest in cosmetic things like mounts and costumes and have no need for potions etc I haven't bought a single one since. However, I've opened the free ones I've received from time to time and would have considered the contents a fair return if I had paid for them. If people choose to support the game in that way then I have no problem with that, and I wouldn't dream of comparing them to more traditional forms of gambling where you either win or lose your stake entirely.

Do you seriously believe that any CC cash gets pumped back into the game? The more pertinent question would have been, what if any improvements have we seen in game since the introduction of CC's to even suggest any of that cash goes back into the game? The game is as it was. If anything, PvP is going down hill, performance is hit n miss after every single major update and so on. I think if a lot of age old issues had been addressed with the implementation of CC's, a lot more of the vocal people wouldn't be, well, so vocal.

All that money is part of the huge profits Zenimax Media (not to be confused with ZoS) post year in, year out (no issue with Zeni Media having huge profits, it's what almost all commercial businesses aim for). I'd be more willing to stake my house on none of that cash ever goes back to ZoS, than i would saying ZoS get a cut. This game will probably be funded by Subs, new game sales and a slice of the dlc revenue.

altemriel

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

DoctorESO wrote: »

Hypothetically, academically, whatever your preferred term is for assuming the following is true for the purpose of this discussion - if crown crates were necessary to keep ESO up and running, would you be okay with them (this does not mean you have to buy them)? Or would you rather have the game shut down?

nope nope and 100 times nope to the gamble crates, sorry

Tandor

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Pointless poll. I'd vote for the option that said there was no problem with crown crates in ESO in the first place.

Note that I'm not a fan of all lockboxes in all games, there are good and bad examples, but in this case it doesn't involve P2W, all crates contain items worth a reasonable amount in relation to the stake, and neither the crates nor their contents are remotely necessary to play the game. Moreover, you don't even need to spend real money on them if you rely on subscription crowns and event offers to get them. Lastly, compared to most games the crates aren't rammed in your face the whole time (other than by their critics who can't mention them enough, which must be a real advertising bonanza for developers).

What I have yet to see in any discussion of this subject is any indication from opponents of crown crates (or indeed opponents of lockboxes generally in any other discussion of the wider topic) as to how they would be willing to contribute alternative revenue sources if crates/lockboxes were outlawed completely. Higher prices in the Crown Store? Most players complain at the prices already. Higher subscription rates? Many players decline to subscribe as they don't see enough benefit at the present rates.

The only crown crates I've bought were a few when they were initially launched, solely to see what the fuss was about. I was totally happy with the outcome, but as I have no interest in cosmetic things like mounts and costumes and have no need for potions etc I haven't bought a single one since. However, I've opened the free ones I've received from time to time and would have considered the contents a fair return if I had paid for them. If people choose to support the game in that way then I have no problem with that, and I wouldn't dream of comparing them to more traditional forms of gambling where you either win or lose your stake entirely.

Do you seriously believe that any CC cash gets pumped back into the game? The more pertinent question would have been, what if any improvements have we seen in game since the introduction of CC's to even suggest any of that cash goes back into the game? The game is as it was. If anything, PvP is going down hill, performance is hit n miss after every single major update and so on. I think if a lot of age old issues had been addressed with the implementation of CC's, a lot more of the vocal people wouldn't be, well, so vocal.

All that money is part of the huge profits Zenimax Media (not to be confused with ZoS) post year in, year out (no issue with Zeni Media having huge profits, it's what almost all commercial businesses aim for). I'd be more willing to stake my house on none of that cash ever goes back to ZoS, than i would saying ZoS get a cut. This game will probably be funded by Subs, new game sales and a slice of the dlc revenue.

The game has continued to improve from a solid start for me with no performance issues and a lot of new content, so I don't personally buy into the argument that development and bug-fixes have been put on the back burner while the crown crates revenue has been spent on crown crates and nothing else.

DieAlteHexe

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

Tandor wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Pointless poll. I'd vote for the option that said there was no problem with crown crates in ESO in the first place.

Note that I'm not a fan of all lockboxes in all games, there are good and bad examples, but in this case it doesn't involve P2W, all crates contain items worth a reasonable amount in relation to the stake, and neither the crates nor their contents are remotely necessary to play the game. Moreover, you don't even need to spend real money on them if you rely on subscription crowns and event offers to get them. Lastly, compared to most games the crates aren't rammed in your face the whole time (other than by their critics who can't mention them enough, which must be a real advertising bonanza for developers).

What I have yet to see in any discussion of this subject is any indication from opponents of crown crates (or indeed opponents of lockboxes generally in any other discussion of the wider topic) as to how they would be willing to contribute alternative revenue sources if crates/lockboxes were outlawed completely. Higher prices in the Crown Store? Most players complain at the prices already. Higher subscription rates? Many players decline to subscribe as they don't see enough benefit at the present rates.

The only crown crates I've bought were a few when they were initially launched, solely to see what the fuss was about. I was totally happy with the outcome, but as I have no interest in cosmetic things like mounts and costumes and have no need for potions etc I haven't bought a single one since. However, I've opened the free ones I've received from time to time and would have considered the contents a fair return if I had paid for them. If people choose to support the game in that way then I have no problem with that, and I wouldn't dream of comparing them to more traditional forms of gambling where you either win or lose your stake entirely.

Do you seriously believe that any CC cash gets pumped back into the game? The more pertinent question would have been, what if any improvements have we seen in game since the introduction of CC's to even suggest any of that cash goes back into the game? The game is as it was. If anything, PvP is going down hill, performance is hit n miss after every single major update and so on. I think if a lot of age old issues had been addressed with the implementation of CC's, a lot more of the vocal people wouldn't be, well, so vocal.

All that money is part of the huge profits Zenimax Media (not to be confused with ZoS) post year in, year out (no issue with Zeni Media having huge profits, it's what almost all commercial businesses aim for). I'd be more willing to stake my house on none of that cash ever goes back to ZoS, than i would saying ZoS get a cut. This game will probably be funded by Subs, new game sales and a slice of the dlc revenue.

The game has continued to improve from a solid start for me with no performance issues and a lot of new content, so I don't personally buy into the argument that development and bug-fixes have been put on the back burner while the crown crates revenue has been spent on crown crates and nothing else.

They haven't. I'd bet the farm that there are completely different teams but hey, that gets in the way of hyperbolic mutterings.

Eddyble

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

Recremen

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

If your business relies on exploitation then to hell with your business.

Prof_Bawbag

Tandor wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Pointless poll. I'd vote for the option that said there was no problem with crown crates in ESO in the first place.

Note that I'm not a fan of all lockboxes in all games, there are good and bad examples, but in this case it doesn't involve P2W, all crates contain items worth a reasonable amount in relation to the stake, and neither the crates nor their contents are remotely necessary to play the game. Moreover, you don't even need to spend real money on them if you rely on subscription crowns and event offers to get them. Lastly, compared to most games the crates aren't rammed in your face the whole time (other than by their critics who can't mention them enough, which must be a real advertising bonanza for developers).

What I have yet to see in any discussion of this subject is any indication from opponents of crown crates (or indeed opponents of lockboxes generally in any other discussion of the wider topic) as to how they would be willing to contribute alternative revenue sources if crates/lockboxes were outlawed completely. Higher prices in the Crown Store? Most players complain at the prices already. Higher subscription rates? Many players decline to subscribe as they don't see enough benefit at the present rates.

The only crown crates I've bought were a few when they were initially launched, solely to see what the fuss was about. I was totally happy with the outcome, but as I have no interest in cosmetic things like mounts and costumes and have no need for potions etc I haven't bought a single one since. However, I've opened the free ones I've received from time to time and would have considered the contents a fair return if I had paid for them. If people choose to support the game in that way then I have no problem with that, and I wouldn't dream of comparing them to more traditional forms of gambling where you either win or lose your stake entirely.

Do you seriously believe that any CC cash gets pumped back into the game? The more pertinent question would have been, what if any improvements have we seen in game since the introduction of CC's to even suggest any of that cash goes back into the game? The game is as it was. If anything, PvP is going down hill, performance is hit n miss after every single major update and so on. I think if a lot of age old issues had been addressed with the implementation of CC's, a lot more of the vocal people wouldn't be, well, so vocal.

All that money is part of the huge profits Zenimax Media (not to be confused with ZoS) post year in, year out (no issue with Zeni Media having huge profits, it's what almost all commercial businesses aim for). I'd be more willing to stake my house on none of that cash ever goes back to ZoS, than i would saying ZoS get a cut. This game will probably be funded by Subs, new game sales and a slice of the dlc revenue.

The game has continued to improve from a solid start for me with no performance issues and a lot of new content, so I don't personally buy into the argument that development and bug-fixes have been put on the back burner while the crown crates revenue has been spent on crown crates and nothing else.

We'd have got new content regardless, as we did before the CC's. Morrowind was priced between a full game and expansion, so it's not as if we got Morrowind because of the CC's or CS price creep. Seriously, no performance issues? Zip, nil, nada, zero issues whatsoever?

The game has improved since it was first released, but it was bordering on a travesty in the first few weeks on console. Then there was the whole MoL debacle on Xbox with constant DC's and a host of issues with loading screens. Cyrodiil and so on.

Runefang

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

Crown crates allow whales (the wealthy who love the game and want to pour a lot of money into it) to keep a game afloat.

Without a cash shop of some kind they can't do anything but subscribe like the rest of us.

Tandor

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Pointless poll. I'd vote for the option that said there was no problem with crown crates in ESO in the first place.

Note that I'm not a fan of all lockboxes in all games, there are good and bad examples, but in this case it doesn't involve P2W, all crates contain items worth a reasonable amount in relation to the stake, and neither the crates nor their contents are remotely necessary to play the game. Moreover, you don't even need to spend real money on them if you rely on subscription crowns and event offers to get them. Lastly, compared to most games the crates aren't rammed in your face the whole time (other than by their critics who can't mention them enough, which must be a real advertising bonanza for developers).

What I have yet to see in any discussion of this subject is any indication from opponents of crown crates (or indeed opponents of lockboxes generally in any other discussion of the wider topic) as to how they would be willing to contribute alternative revenue sources if crates/lockboxes were outlawed completely. Higher prices in the Crown Store? Most players complain at the prices already. Higher subscription rates? Many players decline to subscribe as they don't see enough benefit at the present rates.

The only crown crates I've bought were a few when they were initially launched, solely to see what the fuss was about. I was totally happy with the outcome, but as I have no interest in cosmetic things like mounts and costumes and have no need for potions etc I haven't bought a single one since. However, I've opened the free ones I've received from time to time and would have considered the contents a fair return if I had paid for them. If people choose to support the game in that way then I have no problem with that, and I wouldn't dream of comparing them to more traditional forms of gambling where you either win or lose your stake entirely.

Do you seriously believe that any CC cash gets pumped back into the game? The more pertinent question would have been, what if any improvements have we seen in game since the introduction of CC's to even suggest any of that cash goes back into the game? The game is as it was. If anything, PvP is going down hill, performance is hit n miss after every single major update and so on. I think if a lot of age old issues had been addressed with the implementation of CC's, a lot more of the vocal people wouldn't be, well, so vocal.

All that money is part of the huge profits Zenimax Media (not to be confused with ZoS) post year in, year out (no issue with Zeni Media having huge profits, it's what almost all commercial businesses aim for). I'd be more willing to stake my house on none of that cash ever goes back to ZoS, than i would saying ZoS get a cut. This game will probably be funded by Subs, new game sales and a slice of the dlc revenue.

The game has continued to improve from a solid start for me with no performance issues and a lot of new content, so I don't personally buy into the argument that development and bug-fixes have been put on the back burner while the crown crates revenue has been spent on crown crates and nothing else.

We'd have got new content regardless, as we did before the CC's. Morrowind was priced between a full game and expansion, so it's not as if we got Morrowind because of the CC's or CS price creep. Seriously, no performance issues? Zip, nil, nada, zero issues whatsoever?

The game has improved since it was first released, but it was bordering on a travesty in the first few weeks on console. Then there was the whole MoL debacle on Xbox with constant DC's and a host of issues with loading screens. Cyrodiil and so on.

Correct. I don't PvP, do competitive PvE, or use addons. The game has always run flawlessly for me on PC EU since launch. My playstyle is, of course, a factor but I am far from alone in not having significant issues with the game. Right now there's a thread on General Help giving a solution to a performance issue involving addons. These things are not always down to ZOS and the servers.

DieAlteHexe

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

Runefang wrote: »

Crown crates allow whales (the wealthy who love the game and want to pour a lot of money into it) to keep a game afloat.

Without a cash shop of some kind they can't do anything but subscribe like the rest of us.

You're welcome.

iiYuki

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

I hate them, I hate all gambling crates but basing a game around them would lead to even more *** then we have now.
It isn't simply "if you dont like it dont buy it" like most of the *** shills claim, its an mmo and part of an mmo is customization, considering pretty much every mount except the original 4 or 5 are store bought and 90% of costumes are store bought except the handful that are earned mostly via long achievements or rune box grinds.
To buy a decent houses in game you either need to put time and effort in to get the, for some a rather hefty, list of achievements to pay in gold or just bypass it with crowns and there is no differentiation between them.
There is so much exclusive content in the store and most of which has nothing equivalent in game, tbh transmog if it ever happens best be substantial and not some stupidly expensive and incredibly limited *** to try push costumes as being better.
Personally I would rather pay a higher sub or make it mandatory to play, never had a problem with it originally and have always played wow and paid that sub.

Acrolas

Predatory marketing tactics rely on the same community-dividing psychology that this thread is encouraging.

I just stick to the mindset that I don't really know where the money is going to, and budget to my comfort zone.

lzzy

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

The only way it'd get to this point would be if whales took up a large percentage of players.

For that to happen either the current playerbase downsizes severely, or crates were given a heightened importance. Imagine everything in the store (including DLC) being moved to crates. No more direct purchases.