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DoctorESO

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ToRelax

When the basic heal isn't enough to keep you alive on it's own, Light's Champion's Major Protection will synergize muich better with additional healing/defense than the extra skills from Life Giver.
Also, the buff lasts for 5 seconds after being healed the last time, so it stays for 9 seconds per cast when you are solo.

Vaoh

This is the absolute best morph by a mile. Also a very strong Ult.

I wish they made the Resto Ult some sort of AoE HoT that sticks to the floor. Anything that could’ve made it an interesting heal for group play and even trials.

Rn it’s basically there to grant yourself immunity in PvP when you should’ve died, and is even slotted by Stam builds sometimes because of how ridiculous it can be. 5sec of being almost invulnerable (as long as you aren’t zerged down) and 10sec of Major Protection/Force.... like why is this a thing. It’s as mindless as Eye of the Storm and just dumbs down the gameplay imo.

DoctorESO

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Waffennacht

It's just so good

Lexxypwns

Purely for survivability, life giver is superior in literally every way. If you cast it at low health you get a 9k+ shield, two strong HoTs(one of which lasts for ages), and two big burst heals followed by the same amount of healing you receive from the other morph. You also get an offensive buff for yourself and allies a defensive buff for yourself and allies and the healing from springs+prayer is going to heal your group as well.

If you're running light's champion you use it to flip a defensive situation into an offensive one by using the offensive buff to your advantage.

If you're only trying to stay alive then life giver will be the better choice

ToRelax

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Purely for survivability, life giver is superior in literally every way. If you cast it at low health you get a 9k+ shield, two strong HoTs(one of which lasts for ages), and two big burst heals followed by the same amount of healing you receive from the other morph. You also get an offensive buff for yourself and allies a defensive buff for yourself and allies and the healing from springs+prayer is going to heal your group as well.

If you're running light's champion you use it to flip a defensive situation into an offensive one by using the offensive buff to your advantage.

If you're only trying to stay alive then life giver will be the better choice

It may be more reliable when surrounded by allies and you get access to Regeneration if you don't fit it on your bar. But other than that, the Major Protection easily beats one damage shield and you are likely healing to full initially anyway.
Also, Light's Champion isn't necessarily more damage as you can get Minor Berserk from Combat Prayer.

casparian

Vaoh wrote: »

This is the absolute best morph by a mile. Also a very strong Ult.

I wish they made the Resto Ult some sort of AoE HoT that sticks to the floor. Anything that could’ve made it an interesting heal for group play and even trials.

Rn it’s basically there to grant yourself immunity in PvP when you should’ve died, and is even slotted by Stam builds sometimes because of how ridiculous it can be. 5sec of being almost invulnerable (as long as you aren’t zerged down) and 10sec of Major Protection/Force.... like why is this a thing. It’s as mindless as Eye of the Storm and just dumbs down the gameplay imo.

You're talking as if outnumbered play isn't a thing. Unless you think being outnumbered is always a case in which "you should've died"?

Lynnessa

As a nightblade healer I prefer Life Giver. The non-damage morph of the Shadow ultimate is for damage reduct if that's what I want. Life Giver is one of my best bursts. (even though it's not burst, it has similar impact on a situation)

Though tbh I only slot it if group members are dying too easily.

FrancisCrawford

I run Light's Champion quite a bit when healing dungeons in PvE, even on characters who have access to Warhorn.

Vaoh

casparian wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

This is the absolute best morph by a mile. Also a very strong Ult.

I wish they made the Resto Ult some sort of AoE HoT that sticks to the floor. Anything that could’ve made it an interesting heal for group play and even trials.

Rn it’s basically there to grant yourself immunity in PvP when you should’ve died, and is even slotted by Stam builds sometimes because of how ridiculous it can be. 5sec of being almost invulnerable (as long as you aren’t zerged down) and 10sec of Major Protection/Force.... like why is this a thing. It’s as mindless as Eye of the Storm and just dumbs down the gameplay imo.

You're talking as if outnumbered play isn't a thing. Unless you think being outnumbered is always a case in which "you should've died"?

That has nothing to do with what I said about Light’s Champion. Obviously you love using it and want to downtalk any mention of a nerf lol. Now that’s totally fine and all, but you can’t even attempt to legitimately defend this Ult’s balance.

I don’t care if something benefits 1vX when it’s balanced poorly overall. This Ult has the potential to not only dish out immense heals to numerous people, but also Major Protection/Force which are the strongest buffs in the game. It provides more survivability overall than Life Giver on initial cast despite that being the primary point of that morph.

That’s the imbalance. Like I said, I’d rather it was a universally strong Ult that was cool and unique, rather than just a one-click “save yourself when you screw up and should’ve died” button. (just like Soul Assault for example is a one-click Ult that is way too strong after buffs against solo/small group players)

casparian

Vaoh wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

This is the absolute best morph by a mile. Also a very strong Ult.

I wish they made the Resto Ult some sort of AoE HoT that sticks to the floor. Anything that could’ve made it an interesting heal for group play and even trials.

Rn it’s basically there to grant yourself immunity in PvP when you should’ve died, and is even slotted by Stam builds sometimes because of how ridiculous it can be. 5sec of being almost invulnerable (as long as you aren’t zerged down) and 10sec of Major Protection/Force.... like why is this a thing. It’s as mindless as Eye of the Storm and just dumbs down the gameplay imo.

You're talking as if outnumbered play isn't a thing. Unless you think being outnumbered is always a case in which "you should've died"?

That has nothing to do with what I said about Light’s Champion. Obviously you love using it and want to downtalk any mention of a nerf lol. Now that’s totally fine and all, but you can’t even attempt to legitimately defend this Ult’s balance.

I don’t care if something benefits 1vX when it’s balanced poorly overall. This Ult has the potential to not only dish out immense heals to numerous people, but also Major Protection/Force which are the strongest buffs in the game. It provides more survivability overall than Life Giver on initial cast despite that being the primary point of that morph.

That’s the imbalance. Like I said, I’d rather it was a universally strong Ult that was cool and unique, rather than just a one-click “save yourself when you screw up and should’ve died” button. (just like Soul Assault for example is a one-click Ult that is way too strong after buffs against solo/small group players)

I don't actually use Champion, and am completely open to discussing whether it should be nerfed. I don't understand how it dumbs down gameplay in outnumbered situations -- that's the only point I was making. To be honest, the fact that you also think Soul Assault is similarly overpowered makes me doubt your judgment.

Vaoh

casparian wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

This is the absolute best morph by a mile. Also a very strong Ult.

I wish they made the Resto Ult some sort of AoE HoT that sticks to the floor. Anything that could’ve made it an interesting heal for group play and even trials.

Rn it’s basically there to grant yourself immunity in PvP when you should’ve died, and is even slotted by Stam builds sometimes because of how ridiculous it can be. 5sec of being almost invulnerable (as long as you aren’t zerged down) and 10sec of Major Protection/Force.... like why is this a thing. It’s as mindless as Eye of the Storm and just dumbs down the gameplay imo.

You're talking as if outnumbered play isn't a thing. Unless you think being outnumbered is always a case in which "you should've died"?

That has nothing to do with what I said about Light’s Champion. Obviously you love using it and want to downtalk any mention of a nerf lol. Now that’s totally fine and all, but you can’t even attempt to legitimately defend this Ult’s balance.

I don’t care if something benefits 1vX when it’s balanced poorly overall. This Ult has the potential to not only dish out immense heals to numerous people, but also Major Protection/Force which are the strongest buffs in the game. It provides more survivability overall than Life Giver on initial cast despite that being the primary point of that morph.

That’s the imbalance. Like I said, I’d rather it was a universally strong Ult that was cool and unique, rather than just a one-click “save yourself when you screw up and should’ve died” button. (just like Soul Assault for example is a one-click Ult that is way too strong after buffs against solo/small group players)

I don't actually use Champion, and am completely open to discussing whether it should be nerfed. I don't understand how it dumbs down gameplay in outnumbered situations -- that's the only point I was making. To be honest, the fact that you also think Soul Assault is similarly overpowered makes me doubt your judgment.

Not overpowered.

It’s the simplification of gameplay and anti-1vX mechanics of some of these Ults that are what’s bad for the game.

If you run a Medium Armor build (especially Stam NB) and get focused by a high dmg Soul Assault without LoS available, any decent player who jumps on you at the same time will kill you. There was “counterplay” in the past that existed to this, but not when the damage was buffed, a stealth reveal added, and the caster made unbashable+immune to CC. Also the block changes make it so it’ll drain like half your Stam bar to block. That’s called removal of counterplay.

Stuff like Meteor no longer being reflectable or dodgeable. Cliff Racers and Scorch being undodgeable/unblockable/unreflectable. You press a button and regardless of what your opponent does, the target in front of you will take a lot of damage.

Now there’s an Ult that’ll save you by granting huge mitigation/crit damage/healing to you and even allies with one button and not from an inconvenient ground-based AoE. If you make a huge mistake, just cast this and you’ll be all good for at least 10sec. Then there’s Life Giver being comparatively horrible due to how ridiculous Light’s Champion is.

That’s the point I was trying to make. I don’t like how simplified stuff has become overtime and besides lag, that’s part of the reason why campaign populations are so horrible now and PvP far more zergy than in patches when there was more counterplay.

Kiara

This poll really show how much more favored is the second morph over the first one. I personally use Champion's Light aswell because it is just so good.