An alternative tank's request

Olupajmibanan

Hello everybody.

I always liked alternative options so I am tanking with my duo SnB Warden (tired of this "DK is mandatory, bla bla bla").
So far it was great even in trials, but one thing I noticed is that Nature's Gift passive in Green Balance tree does not work when healing myself. I complained a lot about this passive and this issue, but the answer I always get is "use Lotus". Oh wow, great suggestion, but tell me please, how am I supposed to LA or even HA when I must not drop block?

Can we please have this passive changed to work when healing self?

Leeching Vines is a smart heal spell but it works in 180 degrees of sight so I can safely turn away, use Leeching Vines and then turn back and be sure I will be the one getting it. It is sure that I as a tank will get damage to proc it.
Currently I am using it on my allies (sometimes even 3-4 casts needed to finally get on an aly instead of self) hoping that they will get some damage to give some stamina back.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Use Arctic blast or polar wind for guaranteed self heals.

The green balance passive explicitly states you need to heal and ally, see here.

When healing an ally with a Green Balance ability, gain 250 Magicka or 250 Stamina. Restores your lowest resource pool. This effect can occur once every 1 second.

So I doubt zos wants it to work when you heal yourself.

I would never count on this passive as a tank. Always have bull netch up and using polar wind works for my tankden.

Olupajmibanan

It is needed to be able to compete with DK.

Netch can compete with Helping Hands.
But what do we have to compete with Battle Roar? Witchman set? Something else?
Nature's Gift could be a strong competitor, if it could proc when healing self.

Now, there is no single reason to take Warden over DK (even as off tank) to vet trials, more specificaly vMoL and vHoF. But making Nature's Gift to proc when healing self really could change the wind's course.

RouDeR

the passive is working perfectly fine on the caster , however how you will maintain to proc every one second is a different thing ^^

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

RouDeR wrote: »

the passive is working perfectly fine on the caster , however how you will maintain to proc every one second is a different thing ^^

The passive absolutely does not proc on self heals with green balance skills.

I actually do use the witchmans set on my tankden and the vMA s/b. I haven't tanked vet hard mode trials but I have don't normals and all vet dungeons with him. Wearing ebon on the body too.have around 12k Stam too with 30k mag and 35k health. I don't run out of Stam a lot and I use pierce and herioc slash a ton.

Maura_Neysa

Wardens already blow DK out of the water on self sustaining. The Netch which is free to cast is the equivalent of using Helping Hands once every 4 seconds. What DK do you know who Igneous Shields every 4 seconds?

I also run a Warden tank. Its my main and has 90% of my play time since Morrowind dropped. I to use leeching vines and Artic Blast. If Nature's Gift worked on self heals it would be OP. I love the way it currently works, goes to me when I need heals and out to someone else when I don't.

My build:
Front: S&B - Leaching Vines, Arctic Blast, Pierce Armor, Bull Netch, Ice Fortress, Healing Thicket
Back: Frost Staff - Blockade of Ice, Gripping Shards, Inner fire, Frozen Device, Deceptive Predator, War Horn
No Tri Focus passive, so black always cost stamina.
Ebon / Plague / Alkosh / Torug's - main and off-tanked vet trials, and solo tanked vet AA

Maura_Neysa

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

It is needed to be able to compete with DK.

Netch can compete with Helping Hands.
But what do we have to compete with Battle Roar? Witchman set? Something else?
Nature's Gift could be a strong competitor, if it could proc when healing self.

Now, there is no single reason to take Warden over DK (even as off tank) to vet trials, more specificaly vMoL and vHoF. But making Nature's Gift to proc when healing self really could change the wind's course.

@Olupajmibanan Warden's smoke DK's in group utility the only reason Wardens haven't replaced DKs at the top of the tanking mountain is the Iron Skin passive 8% addition damage blocked

Wardens have more CC, more group heals, more mobility, AOE Major Fractor/Breach, AOE Minor Maim, better solo resource sustain.
DKs have group Minor Brutality and a faster way to gather up mobs, thats there group advantage over Wardens.

Wizball1987

Can you prove nature's gift doesn't work? I know it isn't named in cmx but I thought it was working!

Nemesis7884

i would love frost heavy attack animations to be faster...lower the damage but increase the speed

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Wizball1987 wrote: »

Can you prove nature's gift doesn't work? I know it isn't named in cmx but I thought it was working!

It works just fine, as in the description, you have to heal an ally, not yourself.

Olupajmibanan

The problem is that all of you use SnB/Frost staff.

Don't know about your trial groups, but mine is demanding alkosh on both tanks and ebon at least on one. So by using frost staff, you either have to abandon Dragon or a monster set.

I am duo SnB Warden which works perfectly without abandoning anything. My concern is only, that my stamina generation trough block is nowhere near that of a DK. And that's because of the Nature's Gift restriction to self heals. I doubt it would be OP. Making it to work on self heals would only help tanks and solo players (which both could see some love). Other setups have reliable way of procing it via Lotus Flower anways.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The problem is that all of you use SnB/Frost staff.

I have ebon on my body, with witchmans jewelry and back bar s/b, vMA s/b front bar and I actually use sentinel of rekugums. I could switch out the witchmans with dragongaurd but I wouldn't gain much, especially in the scenario you are taking about. In that one, there ought to be a rotation of 4 warhorns. And the ulti gen from shimmering sheild is insane.

Olupajmibanan

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The problem is that all of you use SnB/Frost staff.

I have ebon on my body, with witchmans jewelry and back bar s/b, vMA s/b front bar and I actually use sentinel of rekugums. I could switch out the witchmans with dragongaurd but I wouldn't gain much, especially in the scenario you are taking about. In that one, there ought to be a rotation of 4 warhorns. And the ulti gen from shimmering sheild is insane.

Alkosh bro, alkosh.

In my trial group, main tank is supposed to war BS+Dragon/Plague Doctor+Alkosh and off tank Lord Warden+Ebon+Alkosh. I didn't even transmute my Blood Spawn pauldrons because allowing Warden to be MT is self-imbibed hard mode challenge :-D

Maura_Neysa

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The problem is that all of you use SnB/Frost staff.

Don't know about your trial groups, but mine is demanding alkosh on both tanks and ebon at least on one. So by using frost staff, you either have to abandon Dragon or a monster set.

I am duo SnB Warden which works perfectly without abandoning anything. My concern is only, that my stamina generation trough block is nowhere near that of a DK. And that's because of the Nature's Gift restriction to self heals. I doubt it would be OP. Making it to work on self heals would only help tanks and solo players (which both could see some love). Other setups have reliable way of procing it via Lotus Flower anways.

Ebon/ Plague on the body Alkosh/ Torug's on jewelry/weapons Lord Warden monster S&B front Frost bar , crusher front , weakling back. Blockade of Ice means huge uptime on weaking, and I make sure to come back to the front bar to synergize.
Run weaking on the back because the Frost Staff is defending to even out my resistances on both bars S&B is infused

Don't know about you, but my stamina regen through block smokes a DKs. By the way, untill synergies are fixed Torug's out performs Alkosh.

Wizball1987 wrote: »

Can you prove nature's gift doesn't work? I know it isn't named in cmx but I thought it was working!

Go find a mob, burn off some stamina, block so it doesn't rengen, cast leeching and nothing else. This will leave your magieka full, so if you don't get more then 400 back every 4 seconds from your constitution passive, you know it isn't working.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

The problem is that all of you use SnB/Frost staff.

I have ebon on my body, with witchmans jewelry and back bar s/b, vMA s/b front bar and I actually use sentinel of rekugums. I could switch out the witchmans with dragongaurd but I wouldn't gain much, especially in the scenario you are taking about. In that one, there ought to be a rotation of 4 warhorns. And the ulti gen from shimmering sheild is insane.

Alkosh bro, alkosh.

In my trial group, main tank is supposed to war BS+Dragon/Plague Doctor+Alkosh and off tank Lord Warden+Ebon+Alkosh. I didn't even transmute my Blood Spawn pauldrons because allowing Warden to be MT is self-imbibed hard mode challenge :-D

If you want to give me alkosh one hander and sheild, I am okay with that.

Maura_Neysa

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO run torug's until you can get AIkosh. Right now with synergies bugged its BiS anyway

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO run torug's until you can get AIkosh. Right now with synergies bugged its BiS anyway

The way I have my tank set up, I would have to give up ebon. I consider that not possible.