Getting back to Skyrim with the switch edition, made me realize how this game is a bad ripp off!!

Bigevilpeter

Its amazing how much you can do and explore in Skyrim for a base 60$. No micro transactions, no lootboxes, no subscription no hours of rng grinding everything is accessible. Skyrim is even much more fun and the story and lore is better.

When I got into ESO I hadn't played skyrim for a while so I had forgot what a real elder scroll game should be like. Now I can't even play ESO, it just bores me to death.

Of course skyrim is not online, but all the multiplayer content in ESO is repetitive and boring anyways.

Better get back to killing dragons now and wait for the next real Elder Scrolls game. I hope they don't mess the new one with microtransactions or lootboxes.

T4T2FR34K

No PvP...game over.

p.s.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

killing dragons is repetitive and boring anyways.

Tandor

Off you go then, don't let us keep you.

TequilaFire

Can't rip off what you own.
Good for you some people are just happier playing with themselves.

Milvan

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Its amazing how much you can do and explore in Skyrim for a base 60$. No micro transactions, no lootboxes, no subscription no hours of rng grinding everything is accessible. Skyrim is even much more fun and the story and lore is better.

When I got into ESO I hadn't played skyrim for a while so I had forgot what a real elder scroll game should be like. Now I can't even play ESO, it just bores me to death.

Of course skyrim is not online, but all the multiplayer content in ESO is repetitive and boring anyways.

Better get back to killing dragons now and wait for the next real Elder Scrolls game. I hope they don't mess the new one with microtransactions or lootboxes.

Can I have your stuff? I mean, if you have any.

BTW, the Oblivion hardcore fan-base feels the same about Skyrim.

idk

ESO is a real TES game. It is an MMO built in the TES world. It is not intended to play like a single player game and Zos stated that well before the launch.

Also, unlike a single player game there are continued costs. The game is not hosted on your PC/console. It is hosted on servers that cost money to maintain. It has new content added which costs money to develop rather than the stale single player game that rarely has new content.

However, when that new content is added to the single player game via DLC it usually costs additional money as well.

Additionally, when ESO launched it has well over 1k unique quests and we all know much more has been added.

We all have the choice of playing or not. In fact, we all have the choice of paying after buying the game or not. Subscriptions and most certainly anything from the crown store, including loot boxes, are not required.

So in the end, it really just seems OP has played enough and is done. Not a big deal. Many of us take breaks and others prefer something else. That is part of gaming.

Enjoy playing alone.

Bigevilpeter

Milvan wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Its amazing how much you can do and explore in Skyrim for a base 60$. No micro transactions, no lootboxes, no subscription no hours of rng grinding everything is accessible. Skyrim is even much more fun and the story and lore is better.

When I got into ESO I hadn't played skyrim for a while so I had forgot what a real elder scroll game should be like. Now I can't even play ESO, it just bores me to death.

Of course skyrim is not online, but all the multiplayer content in ESO is repetitive and boring anyways.

Better get back to killing dragons now and wait for the next real Elder Scrolls game. I hope they don't mess the new one with microtransactions or lootboxes.

Can I have your stuff? I mean, if you have any.

BTW, the Oblivion hardcore fan-base feels the same about Skyrim.

No you can't and yes I have a lot of stuff and almost 1 mill gold :P I love both Skyrim and Oblivion, but I tried to play Oblivion some time ago it felt so outdated

MAEK

Hate to break it to you but a lot of the stuff you complained about is just a matter of taste, meaning that just because you don't like it doesn't mean that no one else does.

VaranisArano

Skyrim is beautiful. I've also played it enough that I know every line of dialogue, every NPC placement in nearly every dungeons, and step of every quest. At that point, its a grind for me. So I don't play Skyrim anymore. If ESO is like that for you, I understand.

ESO is sort of like "Skyrim with Friends" for me, at least when I was playing the game for the first time and seriously questing and immersed in the storyline.

But even now that I've finished most of the game, ESO still pulls me in, and I think that's because I can play it like I played TES IV: Oblivion. In Oblivion, I could wander for hours through the fields and forests of Cyrodiil picking flowers and doing whatever I wanted. It was relaxing, walking by the rivers and exploring every cave I came to. I can do the same thing here in ESO. I can farm for hours and get the satisfaction of selling items people want. I can fish for the Master Angler achievement. I can jump into a normal group dungeon with a random party of people I've never met if I want something more exciting for a change. I can attempt Vet Maelstrom when I want to throw myself at hard content again and again or I can roflstomp my way through new quest content on my DPS when I just want to experience the story again. Plus, I've got Alt-itis pretty bad, so there's always the urge to create new characters and experience new playstyles. Unlike Oblivion, there's not really a time where I've completed all the questing and everything left to do is just me running around in a game world I enjoy making up tasks for myself. Here in ESO, I can still do "new" or at least different things. No group dungeons or PVP battle is ever quite the same way twice, and so I've found a lot of enjoyment in ESO still.

Bigevilpeter

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

No PvP...game over.

p.s.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

killing dragons is repetitive and boring anyways.

PvP is laggy unbalanced and broken, its very annoying.

Bigevilpeter

MAEK wrote: »

Hate to break it to you but a lot of the stuff you complained about is just a matter of taste, meaning that just because you don't like it doesn't mean that no one else does.

Regardless of the taste part ESO is a huge money rippoff compared to skyrim. That has nothing to do with taste, its a fact.

T4T2FR34K

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

PvP is laggy unbalanced and broken, its very annoying.

So is BS scripted A.I.

Ill take virtual combat vs. rote button pushing any day of the week, flaws and all...as a matter of fact, you dinosaurs better go ahead and die off, this IS the way of the future.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

MAEK wrote: »

Hate to break it to you but a lot of the stuff you complained about is just a matter of taste, meaning that just because you don't like it doesn't mean that no one else does.

Regardless of the taste part ESO is a huge money rippoff compared to skyrim. That has nothing to do with taste, its a fact.

So are all the cheeseburger you shove down your throat BIG guy.

T4T2FR34K

andreasv

So what's your opinion on the Creation Club?

starkerealm

Yeah, I'll be honest, there is way more content in ESO than in Skyrim. Yeah, there's less repeatable, "go kill some bandit wanted for undifined crimes in a hold you full well know is corrupt," but when it comes to questing by volume? ESO is insane. ESO regularly packs more quests into a single zone than Skyrim had spread across an entire province.

When it comes to caves, and broken down forts, there's also more variety in ESO. Okay, so, two things to keep in mind. First, Skyrim's dungeons are built off of tile sets. Which is your favorate? Draugr tomb? Mine? Broken down fort? Or Dwemer Ruins? Because ESO has all of those, in addition to Aylied Ruins, frozen caves, desert caves, daedric ruins. I'm actually skipping a few, and I'm not even counting ESO's multiplayer dungeons. There's nothing in Skyrim that is comparable to the maps you encounter in HRC or Maw, outside of maybe a few places in the main quest, where they go out of their way to play up the spectacle.

Now, I get it, if your definition of a great game is being able to Fus Ro Dah someone's cutlery all over their home, then, sure, ESO will come up short in that regard.

If you're finding ESO repetitive and boring, I'd recommend trying another class. Not, you know, going back to a game where you'll always end up as a stealth archer no matter how hard you try to avoid it.

Bigevilpeter

andreasv wrote: »

So what's your opinion on the Creation Club?

The what now??

Prof_Bawbag

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

MAEK wrote: »

Hate to break it to you but a lot of the stuff you complained about is just a matter of taste, meaning that just because you don't like it doesn't mean that no one else does.

Regardless of the taste part ESO is a huge money rippoff compared to skyrim. That has nothing to do with taste, its a fact.

I can kinda see your argument insofar as this was my first and only MMO and I was quite shocked initially at what people were willing to purchase and at which price they were willing to make that purchase for. I mean, Bethesda's horse armour is legendary now, however, it almost seems like bargain of the century when compared to £100 cosmetics and 5k motifs we see in this game. By all accounts, ESO isn't even the worst around. Since playing this game I have and never will complain about the tat Capcom, Ubi etc release, but at the same time you can't really compare a game which doesn't require constant funding as to keep it active and the likes of ESO which need to generate cash until the servers go down.

starkerealm

idk wrote: »

Additionally, when ESO launched it has well over 1k unique quests and we all know much more has been added.

@IDK, I'm kinda inclined to nitpick here. I think the total at launch was closer to 900. But, I could be mistaken.

andreasv

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

So what's your opinion on the Creation Club?

The what now??

You said no microtransactions. So you haven't heard about the Creation Club where you can buy armour, weapons, or costumes for Skyrim and Fallout 4.

https://creationclub.bethesda.net/en

Didn't go down too well with fans when it was introduced a while ago.

MAEK

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

MAEK wrote: »

Hate to break it to you but a lot of the stuff you complained about is just a matter of taste, meaning that just because you don't like it doesn't mean that no one else does.

Regardless of the taste part ESO is a huge money rippoff compared to skyrim. That has nothing to do with taste, its a fact.

I didn't say that all the things you complained about was about taste, just many of them. And the money thing isn't really true, you only need the base game and the rest is optional. You can choose to spend all your money on fluff, but no one is forcing you.

Bigevilpeter

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, I'll be honest, there is way more content in ESO than in Skyrim. Yeah, there's less repeatable, "go kill some bandit wanted for undifined crimes in a hold you full well know is corrupt," but when it comes to questing by volume? ESO is insane. ESO regularly packs more quests into a single zone than Skyrim had spread across an entire province.

When it comes to caves, and broken down forts, there's also more variety in ESO. Okay, so, two things to keep in mind. First, Skyrim's dungeons are built off of tile sets. Which is your favorate? Draugr tomb? Mine? Broken down fort? Or Dwemer Ruins? Because ESO has all of those, in addition to Aylied Ruins, frozen caves, desert caves, daedric ruins. I'm actually skipping a few, and I'm not even counting ESO's multiplayer dungeons. There's nothing in Skyrim that is comparable to the maps you encounter in HRC or Maw, outside of maybe a few places in the main quest, where they go out of their way to play up the spectacle.

Now, I get it, if your definition of a great game is being able to Fus Ro Dah someone's cutlery all over their home, then, sure, ESO will come up short in that regard.

If you're finding ESO repetitive and boring, I'd recommend trying another class. Not, you know, going back to a game where you'll always end up as a stealth archer no matter how hard you try to avoid it.

Skyrim has so much more freedom and make you feel powerful, in ESO there are so many restrictions behind grinding and daily activities.

I Maxed out almost all classes in ESO, save magsorc and magblade. I tried eveything, beat VMA a few times and could never find a good group or guild to do vet trials. In the end I felt nothing I do matters. In Skyrim you get so much power and fun things because they don't have to worry about balance.

Milvan

andreasv wrote: »

So what's your opinion on the Creation Club?

idk

Isn't Skyrim essentially just repeating the same quests over and over if you play it for any length of time?

Oh, yes it is. It does not take long to play through it. OPs comments make zero sense.

starkerealm wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Additionally, when ESO launched it has well over 1k unique quests and we all know much more has been added.

@IDK, I'm kinda inclined to nitpick here. I think the total at launch was closer to 900. But, I could be mistaken.

@starkerealm

There were over 1k iirc. Indomitable Adventurer is an achievement that I am almost certain was in the game at launch and is for 1k unique quests. If not, it would have been with Lower Craglorn. However, considering I achieved this without completing all the quests in Cyrodiil I still expect it was with the original release.

Either way, at release or within a couple months of release.

I am also fairly certain Skyrim had no where near that many quests further rmaking OPs comments incorrect.

kwisatz

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

BTW, the Oblivion hardcore fan-base feels the same about Skyrim.

No you can't and yes I have a lot of stuff and almost 1 mill gold :P I love both Skyrim and Oblivion, but I tried to play Oblivion some time ago it felt so outdated

And Morrowind hardcore fan-base feels the same about Oblivion and Skyrim... ^^
...although I love them too.

Bigevilpeter

andreasv wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

So what's your opinion on the Creation Club?

The what now??

You said no microtransactions. So you haven't heard about the Creation Club where you can buy armour, weapons, or costumes for Skyrim and Fallout 4.

https://creationclub.bethesda.net/en

Didn't go down too well with fans when it was introduced a while ago.

Didn't know about that and I don't care about it. I think these are mods for the game and I play the game without any mods. Feel like cheating and the game already has its exploits.

Hymzir

It's a different genre, it tickles different interests. That covers the game itself. As for the lore... Well, ESO has always been, in my mind, a Tamriel themed amusement park, with "exciting" rides and "Elder Scroll" activities. Meet famous historical persons, discover that most of them are buffoons. Re-live famous historical events - time traveling has never been so easy in Tamriel! (There's a lot of jumping to the past and influence important events in Tamriels history type of quests in ESO.) Travel to all the famous locations (in comfortably reduced scale, so as not to get bored with traveling... ) Also a handy teleport network ensures you are never far from the next exciting adventure!

So as far as I am concerned... ESO contributes nada, zip and nought to the LORE of the series. Besides, when ever they finally roll out with ES6, they're bound to retcon bunch of things again. Like they always do. And if someone starts nitpicking, they just yell DRAGON BREAK!! and be done with it.

And finally, some of us never stopped playing Skyrim, or Oblivion or Morrowind, or Daggerfall... Or even Arena. I, myself, spent most of yesterday playing Oblivion, and didn't even spend all that much time tweaking my massively modded build.

At the end, it is as I stated at the beginning - the games are of different genres and tickle different interests, and thus are best suited for different purposes. Sometimes I want to spend my time fiddling with things that ESO provides, and sometimes with things that Oblivion or Skyrim provide. Questing is often more fun in single player games, since they did not have to worry about the multi-player environment in their constructions. Combat is usually more fun in ESO, and of course can't have PVP without that multi-player environment.

I'll give you the points about loot boxes and RNG grind crap. Those are definitely a mark against ESO.

Prof_Bawbag

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, I'll be honest, there is way more content in ESO than in Skyrim. Yeah, there's less repeatable, "go kill some bandit wanted for undifined crimes in a hold you full well know is corrupt," but when it comes to questing by volume? ESO is insane. ESO regularly packs more quests into a single zone than Skyrim had spread across an entire province.

When it comes to caves, and broken down forts, there's also more variety in ESO. Okay, so, two things to keep in mind. First, Skyrim's dungeons are built off of tile sets. Which is your favorate? Draugr tomb? Mine? Broken down fort? Or Dwemer Ruins? Because ESO has all of those, in addition to Aylied Ruins, frozen caves, desert caves, daedric ruins. I'm actually skipping a few, and I'm not even counting ESO's multiplayer dungeons. There's nothing in Skyrim that is comparable to the maps you encounter in HRC or Maw, outside of maybe a few places in the main quest, where they go out of their way to play up the spectacle.

Now, I get it, if your definition of a great game is being able to Fus Ro Dah someone's cutlery all over their home, then, sure, ESO will come up short in that regard.

If you're finding ESO repetitive and boring, I'd recommend trying another class. Not, you know, going back to a game where you'll always end up as a stealth archer no matter how hard you try to avoid it.

But almost every quest in ESO follows the same 3 or 4 templates. There's not a huge amount of unique quests in ESO.

Template 1

Help some lazy assed npc, do all the leg work, fight named boss at the end

Template 2

Run to the 4 corners of the quest area for some lazy assed npc to destroy crystals/wards, then fight named boss

Template 3

Complete a puzzle for some lazy assed npc and guess what, fight a named boss

Template 4 fetch quest for some lazy assed npc

Sure there may be one or two more, but that's how 99% of the quests pan out. Did a handful of quests, you've more or less seen everything on offer in ESO as far as quests go. Still can't fathom out why people get all excited when new dlc arrives and claim it has an insane amount of new quests to do. Different scenery, same old shite.

VaranisArano

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Yeah, I'll be honest, there is way more content in ESO than in Skyrim. Yeah, there's less repeatable, "go kill some bandit wanted for undifined crimes in a hold you full well know is corrupt," but when it comes to questing by volume? ESO is insane. ESO regularly packs more quests into a single zone than Skyrim had spread across an entire province.

When it comes to caves, and broken down forts, there's also more variety in ESO. Okay, so, two things to keep in mind. First, Skyrim's dungeons are built off of tile sets. Which is your favorate? Draugr tomb? Mine? Broken down fort? Or Dwemer Ruins? Because ESO has all of those, in addition to Aylied Ruins, frozen caves, desert caves, daedric ruins. I'm actually skipping a few, and I'm not even counting ESO's multiplayer dungeons. There's nothing in Skyrim that is comparable to the maps you encounter in HRC or Maw, outside of maybe a few places in the main quest, where they go out of their way to play up the spectacle.

Now, I get it, if your definition of a great game is being able to Fus Ro Dah someone's cutlery all over their home, then, sure, ESO will come up short in that regard.

If you're finding ESO repetitive and boring, I'd recommend trying another class. Not, you know, going back to a game where you'll always end up as a stealth archer no matter how hard you try to avoid it.

Skyrim has so much more freedom and make you feel powerful, in ESO there are so many restrictions behind grinding and daily activities.

I Maxed out almost all classes in ESO, save magsorc and magblade. I tried eveything, beat VMA a few times and could never find a good group or guild to do vet trials. In the end I felt nothing I do matters. In Skyrim you get so much power and fun things because they don't have to worry about balance.

Well, its kind of hard to argue with that one. In Skyrim, you can use alchemy to become super-powered, stealth archers hits like a truck, you don't need the Blade of Woe to one-shot NPCs, and eventually you can overpower every enemy in the game fairly easily...and I haven't even gotten to what happens if you install mods.

So, its not that dissimilar to what happens in ESO if you have a character with spectacular DPS. But, you know, without mods, and the occasional nerf, and having to practice a rotation and all that.

GimpyPorcupine

$60 for the game 2.5 years ago, $60 for the chapter 6 months ago, $15/mo for the last 18 months. 4 x 5500 Crown Crates during 40% off sales makes another $98. Total cost: $488.

In those 2.5 years (approx 900 days), a very conservative estimate would be that I've played 2 hours per day, so 1800 hours. $0.27/hr entertainment cost.

Your situation must be way different from mine if you think this game is a ripoff.

JD2013

Skyrim is but one province of Tamriel. Here we have many more.

Skyrim is a single player game and therefore has no server costs, ongoing content costs. But it did have DLC that cost when it first came.

Skyrim has a lot less ES lore than ESO.

ESO is a real ES game and fully canon whether you like it or not.

You don’t get to meet Sotha Sil, Divath Fyr, Mannimarco snd other great characters of ES lore in Skyrim.

ES VI is a very long way away so I hope Skyrim can tide you over a few more years.

I like Skyrim greatly but ESO has much better scope and variety in its writing and world building.

Prof_Bawbag

andreasv wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

So what's your opinion on the Creation Club?

The what now??

You said no microtransactions. So you haven't heard about the Creation Club where you can buy armour, weapons, or costumes for Skyrim and Fallout 4.

https://creationclub.bethesda.net/en

Didn't go down too well with fans when it was introduced a while ago.

You know it's bad when a number of the people who created the mods tell people to hold off purchasing the mod as it's a rip off. The one that springs to mind is the person who created the backpack for FO4. He was constantly telling people not to buy it for 400 whatever they are called.