Don't blame the Healer...

drkfrontiers

Was just in a run with a group that left me with a very bad feeling, so bad that I actually just left the group, than suffer abuse from some DD with illusions of grandeur.

Repeatedly runs ahead of the group without any forethought as to what he may find in the next room.

Each time, he agro's the entire room, than runs back to the rest of the group and pulls the whole damn dungeon down on the group.

Then, when that's all done... repeatedly he turns to me after getting himself respawned.. and tells me why do I bother to queue for dungeons as a healer when I am not one.

LOL.

My response is there's no healer for stupid..

At some point I swear I heard him whimpering.

TazESO

Consider: Next time respond that you are used to running dungeons with decent players who know what they are doing and don’t need coddling. Then put them on ignore and drop group, with apologies to the others (assuming the rest aren’t ***.). Be sure to do it in group chat so the rest know why you dropped.

zaria

TazESO wrote: »

Consider: Next time respond that you are used to running dungeons with decent players who know what they are doing and don’t need coddling. Then put them on ignore and drop group, with apologies to the others (assuming the rest aren’t ***.). Be sure to do it in group chat so the rest know why you dropped.

An vote kick tend to solve this sort of issues to.

TazESO

zaria wrote: »

TazESO wrote: »

Consider: Next time respond that you are used to running dungeons with decent players who know what they are doing and don’t need coddling. Then put them on ignore and drop group, with apologies to the others (assuming the rest aren’t ***.). Be sure to do it in group chat so the rest know why you dropped.

An vote kick tend to solve this sort of issues to.

Good point. I should have prefaced with vote kick, and if failed then......

imredneckson

*shrugs* Can't cure stupid

Aurielle

Anyone who Leeroy Jenkinses their way through a dungeon unironically doesn't deserve your heals.

AtraisMachina2

You should wear a piece of medium armor so you can catch up

Dawnblade

Can't heal stupid.

raj72616a

he was doing a large pull of trash mobs for efficient killing
what's wrong with that?

oXI_Viper_IXo

raj72616a wrote: »

he was doing a large pull of trash mobs for efficient killing
what's wrong with that?

You pull it, you tank it. The OP said the person was a DPS. The fact that he kept dying pulling trash mobs is exactly what's wrong with it.

Princess_Ciri

when u stop healing pugs your soul will be set free

VaranisArano

As a healer who also pugs random dungeons, that's a fine response, OP. I bet your tank was pretty unhappy with this DPS too.

Ackwalan

Those superhero's that run ahead of the group because they can't be bothered with group dynamics, are a cancer to pugs.

kargen27

raj72616a wrote: »

he was doing a large pull of trash mobs for efficient killing
what's wrong with that?

there is a difference in efficient killing and efficient dying. If you are going to pull the mob ya had better be able to either control it or burn it.

And a quick aside. If your go to move is running around the room when you aggro something try and run it through the AoE on each lap.

Rainraven

kargen27 wrote: »

raj72616a wrote: »

he was doing a large pull of trash mobs for efficient killing
what's wrong with that?

there is a difference in efficient killing and efficient dying. If you are going to pull the mob ya had better be able to either control it or burn it.

And a quick aside. If your go to move is running around the room when you aggro something try and run it through the AoE on each lap.

Ackwalan

kargen27 wrote: »

raj72616a wrote: »

he was doing a large pull of trash mobs for efficient killing
what's wrong with that?

there is a difference in efficient killing and efficient dying. If you are going to pull the mob ya had better be able to either control it or burn it.

And a quick aside. If your go to move is running around the room when you aggro something try and run it through the AoE on each lap.

When tanking and a mob gets loose, it is so frustrating to see whomever it is chasing, run away from the group and group AOE's. Just die already, so the tank and healer doesn't waste resources.

TheUndeadAmulet

Ackwalan wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

raj72616a wrote: »

he was doing a large pull of trash mobs for efficient killing
what's wrong with that?

there is a difference in efficient killing and efficient dying. If you are going to pull the mob ya had better be able to either control it or burn it.

And a quick aside. If your go to move is running around the room when you aggro something try and run it through the AoE on each lap.

When tanking and a mob gets loose, it is so frustrating to see whomever it is chasing, run away from the group and group AOE's. Just die already, so the tank and healer doesn't waste resources.

When I get targeted as DPS: "Alright, I'll just continue standing here, no point running."
When average PUG DPS gets targeted: "OH GOD RUN RUN RUN"

Reverb

TheUndeadAmulet wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

raj72616a wrote: »

he was doing a large pull of trash mobs for efficient killing
what's wrong with that?

there is a difference in efficient killing and efficient dying. If you are going to pull the mob ya had better be able to either control it or burn it.

And a quick aside. If your go to move is running around the room when you aggro something try and run it through the AoE on each lap.

When tanking and a mob gets loose, it is so frustrating to see whomever it is chasing, run away from the group and group AOE's. Just die already, so the tank and healer doesn't waste resources.

When I get targeted as DPS: "Alright, I'll just continue standing here, no point running."
When average PUG DPS gets targeted: "OH GOD RUN RUN RUN"

When I have too much heat as a dps, I run to the tank. That's where all the heals will be, so I can just stand and dps

Nephimana

I think your response was fine, if people do stupid things, I don't heal it, if he runs off solo, let him die and let him learn. If he complains, tell him to stop and stay with the group, this is a group dungeon and you're a group healer, not a pocket healer and you're not going to leave the group to heal some hero at the back.
I agree with kicking him, if the rest of the group is sick of it, don't deal with it, he'll learn eventually that we're not enabling this crap.

raj72616a

assuming:
the group encountered one pack of trash mobs
the tank stopped there and threw down crowd control and start tanking the mobs
then one of the dps went ahead to pull the next pack, and walked them into the snares (caltrops, extended ritual, etc) and into the AOE

if the healer refused to heal in this case "out of principle", then it was possible that the healer wasn't that great of a team player neither.

anyway dps should have damage shield if magicka and vigor if stamina, and shouldn't need to rely on healer to survive trash mobs.

PlagueSD

Me (tank) and my buddy (healer) have this quite a lot. DPS runs in, both of us just stare at each other as the DPS dies. When he respawns and yells at the healer for not healing him, we "nicely" let him know that if he wants to pull, he should have queued as a tank. Most of the time though, it's "You pull it, you tank it." They either learn by the second or third death, or they have a really high repair bill at the end (if they make it that far.)

This also goes for sorcs that use frost staff. They pull aggro off me, I let them tank...Nothing funnier than a sorcerer running around in circles...

KeiruNicrom

Anyone who does this needs to be able to self heal themselves enough or stfu. Unless you can solo the mobs or are running with a friend/guildie that is used to you pulling an army to the group, there is no reason to pull them

zaria

raj72616a wrote: »

assuming:
the group encountered one pack of trash mobs
the tank stopped there and threw down crowd control and start tanking the mobs
then one of the dps went ahead to pull the next pack, and walked them into the snares (caltrops, extended ritual, etc) and into the AOE

if the healer refused to heal in this case "out of principle", then it was possible that the healer wasn't that great of a team player neither.

anyway dps should have damage shield if magicka and vigor if stamina, and shouldn't need to rely on healer to survive trash mobs.

However the case above sound more like Leroy Jenkins, you would not run to far ahead anyway, trying to pull in trash, you leave the group to deal with the existing, might be faster to burn it, you run to far and group has killed the trash then you return.

Its also the tanks job to decide how far to go, more of an issue then tank run ahead and DD stops to fight mobs underway rather than follow. One nice tricks for dealing with ranged mob who is spread out is to run around an corner , they follow and stack nicely then turning the corner
And yes its the standard issue with pugs and the lack of communication.

makreth

I admire dd's who in order to perform their full rotation blindly, copied and pasted from someone else, they pay more attention to their skillbar and the cooldown numbers than the actual surroundings. That's when their vampire skin burns out from fire and then they die standing on fire

They should get an addon even for dungeons to pop a message " MOVE FIRE IS ON THE WAY". I had a guild member shouting and complaining on discord about this lol. "What the..... WHY DIDN'T ACTION REMINDER WORK ON THE BOSS??? "


When you get to that point then it's not a game, it's just numbers and loot for you.

Its_Alexis

Off topic, what is this Leroy Jenkins thing about?

Pele

You shouldn't have run away because he was wrong not you. You should've initiated votekick. If he was behaving like an ass, the others probably would've voted to kick him too. It saves you from incurring the queue penalty for leaving an incomplete dungeon.

The only way I would've left that dungeon is if the entire group was a bunch of *** or if the votekick didn't pass.

zaria

Its_Alexis wrote: »

Off topic, what is this Leroy Jenkins thing about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooKVstzbz0

Undefwun

As DD, I have a simple rule. I don't hit anything that does damage on my skill bars until a couple of seconds after the tank has gone in. Regardless of trash or boss. Much nicer for me to have them concentrate on the guy built to take damage so I can make sure I am dishing it out.

If the tank doesn't stop for that pack, harness magicka and path to catch up to him until he does.

I run harness magicka and have all the cp160 trash health/magicka potions next to my tripots and spell power potions on my quick bar just in case I need to maneuver out of the way of the incoming damage and may get too far from the healer.

As DD I should also be ressing on boss fights. Healer should be making sure the tank doesn't go down.

I literally had the other DD (who I picked up just earlier and partially caused my low health) stand on my corpse and spam his bow skills and no the boss not a couple of hits from death. That's the only time that's acceptable to me. If you can burn him down and finish the fight, I'm ok to lie down and watch.

I don't know seems like common sense to me...

AbysmalGhul

The PUG life

The cesspool where all 3rd string damage dealers reside.

Pele

Undefwun wrote: »

As DD, I have a simple rule. I don't hit anything that does damage on my skill bars until a couple of seconds after the tank has gone in. Regardless of trash or boss. Much nicer for me to have them concentrate on the guy built to take damage so I can make sure I am dishing it out.

If the tank doesn't stop for that pack, harness magicka and path to catch up to him until he does.

I run harness magicka and have all the cp160 trash health/magicka potions next to my tripots and spell power potions on my quick bar just in case I need to maneuver out of the way of the incoming damage and may get too far from the healer.

As DD I should also be ressing on boss fights. Healer should be making sure the tank doesn't go down.

I literally had the other DD (who I picked up just earlier and partially caused my low health) stand on my corpse and spam his bow skills and no the boss not a couple of hits from death. That's the only time that's acceptable to me. If you can burn him down and finish the fight, I'm ok to lie down and watch.

I don't know seems like common sense to me...

I wish more pug DPS were like you.

Kaspar

I've been in many groups with <160 CP players who apparently have minimal health in order to max! DPS, have minimal resistances, insist on standing in red circles, and expect to waltz through Veteran dungeons like it's a Holiday Event. It is very funny when they are repeatedly 1-shot by the boss' light attacks. Naturally, they blame there demise on the healer though.