Fine Tuning and Tweaks for NB

thedude33

Finally got into a bit of a groove with my stamblade in PvP. At least I am getting kills and learning when to stay and fight or when to vacate. I am still learning, so I know there are better ways to do things. I am hoping if I show what I use, people could suggest some tweaks so I could do even better.

5 x Twice Born Star - Tower and Warrior
5 x Spriggans
Kragh shoulders
Nirnhoned bow with Oblivion ..or double poisons

39k stam
15k mag
17k health
49% crit
3900 WD

Front bar - Silver Shards-Lethal Arrow-Shadow Disguise-Pierce Mark-Camo Hunter - Dawnbreaker
Back Bar - Vigor-Mage Light-Mass Hysteria-Rally-Relentless Focus-Soul Strike

I added Silver Shards in place of poison Injection. It seems to be more useful. Snare + bonus damage to vamps. Tool Tip is 10k

I am about 50/50 now on pure 1v1 where I catch someone travelling to a keep. I get out of dodge if their health bar doesn't drop enough after snipe-LA-Shards. If someone catches me unaware I die in less than 1 shot. More interested in quality kills over quantity.

Suggestions?

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Silver shards is trash. Poison injection isn’t for burst. It’s for pressure and to help execute.

Twice born star isn’t BiS but it’s nice since they increased the values of the mundus Stones. I have a secondary build with twice born star and impregnable. It’s not what I normally use but it’s still impressive though NOT a game build.

17k, is that with Cyro bonus? If so that’s a bit to low. I try to hit 20k at least on stamblade. I can one shot a person with 17k and have done it with a fully buffed spectral bow proc. Though by the looks of it your build is a pure gank build. If that’s the case your weapon damage is to low unless you have some nasty penetration (which you might have from spriggans). What CP are your working with and how is it distributed. What play style are you goin for?

thedude33

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Silver shards is trash. Poison injection isn’t for burst. It’s for pressure and to help execute.

Twice born star isn’t BiS but it’s nice since they increased the values of the mundus Stones. I have a secondary build with twice born star and impregnable. It’s not what I normally use but it’s still impressive though NOT a game build.

17k, is that with Cyro bonus? If so that’s a bit to low. I try to hit 20k at least on stamblade. I can one shot a person with 17k and have done it with a fully buffed spectral bow proc. Though by the looks of it your build is a pure gank build. If that’s the case your weapon damage is to low unless you have some nasty penetration (which you might have from spriggans). What CP are your working with and how is it distributed. What play style are you goin for?

- 17k in pve zone. I think it is 21k in pvp
- Why is Silver Shards trash ? Hits pretty hard and snares. Really helps vs runners.
- What is a good weapon damage? I thought mine was decent. Dunno how to make it higher.
- Pen = 6724
- 500 CP
- Play Style? 1. If an obvious travel route is established I roam there and try and pick off people headed to a keep. 2. If that not possible I will zerg surf and try and pick off stragglers or the end of a train/blob. Pick off siege operators.

If someone isn't almost dead after lethal arrow, light attack and shards, I leave. I never by choice get into melee. If I do, I'm dead. If i get the attention of someone, I'm dead. That's why I only give myself 3 shots and then leave the building.

I have tried a bunch of different armor combos. This so far is the strongest. Very open (cash willing) to try other combos.

Xvorg

thedude33 wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Silver shards is trash. Poison injection isn’t for burst. It’s for pressure and to help execute.

Twice born star isn’t BiS but it’s nice since they increased the values of the mundus Stones. I have a secondary build with twice born star and impregnable. It’s not what I normally use but it’s still impressive though NOT a game build.

17k, is that with Cyro bonus? If so that’s a bit to low. I try to hit 20k at least on stamblade. I can one shot a person with 17k and have done it with a fully buffed spectral bow proc. Though by the looks of it your build is a pure gank build. If that’s the case your weapon damage is to low unless you have some nasty penetration (which you might have from spriggans). What CP are your working with and how is it distributed. What play style are you goin for?

- 17k in pve zone. I think it is 21k in pvp
- Why is Silver Shards trash ? Hits pretty hard and snares. Really helps vs runners.
- What is a good weapon damage? I thought mine was decent. Dunno how to make it higher.
- Pen = 6724
- 500 CP
- Play Style? 1. If an obvious travel route is established I roam there and try and pick off people headed to a keep. 2. If that not possible I will zerg surf and try and pick off stragglers or the end of a train/blob. Pick off siege operators.

If someone isn't almost dead after lethal arrow, light attack and shards, I leave. I never by choice get into melee. If I do, I'm dead. If i get the attention of someone, I'm dead. That's why I only give myself 3 shots and then leave the building.

I have tried a bunch of different armor combos. This so far is the strongest. Very open (cash willing) to try other combos.

1. Any food buuf?
2. Shard's dmg is too low. If you want to slot a more useful skill for running away, try beast trap
3. WD is decent, but I assume you have low sustain
4. Pen seems OK
5. You're gonna need those 130 extra CPs, keep on working
6. Ganker? It is quite difficult to solo gank efficiently nowadays, there are a lot anti gank groups in those spots, though it is a great playing style that merges well with zerg surfing (some of those gruoups work as spearheads for comming attacks or as ganking counters)

thedude33

1. Any food buuf? - YES

3. Shard's dmg is too low. If you want to slot a more useful skill for running away, try beast trap - 10k tool tip. 2nd highest on my bars. I use it to help catch people,
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5. WD is decent, but I assume you have low sustain - not good sustain. I only do 3-5 shots max so not an issue.
6. Pen seems OK
7. You're gonna need those 130 extra CPs, keep on working - Absolutely

9. Ganker? It is quite difficult to solo gank efficiently nowadays, there are a lot anti gank groups in those spots, though it is a great playing style that merges well with zerg surfing (some of those gruoups work as spearheads for comming attacks or as ganking counters) - Very difficult. Especially with my ineptitude...but it's getting better ! Especially with the help you guys give. Been searching for something to replace my night mothers. Bank is full of options.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

I’d say since you want to avoid melee, slot concealed weapon purely for the nice speed bonus while cloaked. Help you get in and out quick.

I can almost see it being funny to launch lethal arrow then before it hits, cloak to make it crit and pull him to you with leash to an incap but I don’t think that would work 9/10 times lol.

Penetration seems low for the gear you are using. Get above 8000 maybe if you’re going to focus on penetration. Keep the nirnhoned weapon though if you want. Use CP to maybe get it higher. I say this also because I’d say remove piercing mark. I get it. It’s a debuff to their armor helping you do more damage. But I can assure you if I was marked you’re not going to gank me because I’m now prepared and you no longer have the element of surprise. But that’s an opinion. Not really something you have to do. I’m sure others have reasons to keep it.

There are some sets out there that specifically cater towards bow builds, maybe give them a look to go along with spriggans. I haven’t test them myself I just know people with gank/bow builds use them.

Or, maybe with twice born star make sure you’re in all divines. If you are really focusing on the first attacks crit damage maybe shadow instead of tower and invest More into crit damage in CP once you get it. No point in impen if you’re going for max gank damage.

Sarjako

That 49% crit, is that with the camo hunter passive? Asking not trolling

Izaki

thedude33 wrote: »

3. Shard's dmg is too low. If you want to slot a more useful skill for running away, try beast trap - 10k tool tip. 2nd highest on my bars. I use it to help catch people,

Now check you Poison Injection tooltip. The initial hit + the DoT will almost be double the damage of Silver Shards. It will help you secure the kill much better than Silver Shards.

NyassaV

Thing about stamblade is that it doesn't take a lot of skill to make a kill so long as you have a basic understanding. It does however take a lot of skill to survive on a stamblade

Magblade is the same but switch roles

thedude33

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

I’d say since you want to avoid melee, slot concealed weapon purely for the nice speed bonus while cloaked. Help you get in and out quick.

I can almost see it being funny to launch lethal arrow then before it hits, cloak to make it crit and pull him to you with leash to an incap but I don’t think that would work 9/10 times lol.

Penetration seems low for the gear you are using. Get above 8000 maybe if you’re going to focus on penetration. Keep the nirnhoned weapon though if you want. Use CP to maybe get it higher. I say this also because I’d say remove piercing mark. I get it. It’s a debuff to their armor helping you do more damage. But I can assure you if I was marked you’re not going to gank me because I’m now prepared and you no longer have the element of surprise. But that’s an opinion. Not really something you have to do. I’m sure others have reasons to keep it.

There are some sets out there that specifically cater towards bow builds, maybe give them a look to go along with spriggans. I haven’t test them myself I just know people with gank/bow builds use them.

Or, maybe with twice born star make sure you’re in all divines. If you are really focusing on the first attacks crit damage maybe shadow instead of tower and invest More into crit damage in CP once you get it. No point in impen if you’re going for max gank damage.

I am all divines
I have piercing mark mostly for the real gankers. I can avoid non stealthers pretty well, but when I know a legit ganker is in the area I worry about revealing myself when attacking someone. It also adds a bit of crit. Any suggestions on what I could use instead ? Maybe a i will take a look at concealed weapon.

thedude33

Sarjako wrote: »

That 49% crit, is that with the camo hunter passive? Asking not trolling

Yes, for crit burst and minor berserk

thedude33

Izaki wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

3. Shard's dmg is too low. If you want to slot a more useful skill for running away, try beast trap - 10k tool tip. 2nd highest on my bars. I use it to help catch people,

Now check you Poison Injection tooltip. The initial hit + the DoT will almost be double the damage of Silver Shards. It will help you secure the kill much better than Silver Shards.

I will try it again. Tool tip is 6k + 11k over 10 seconds. So yea, it is more for sure 1 shard vs 1 PI over 10 seconds.

thedude33

All right, dropped Mark for PI.

1. Snipe
2. LA-Shard
3. LA-PI
4. stealth and reassess

thedude33

Disaster so far. Staying visible for that 3rd shot and I am eating dirt far more

deepseamk20b14_ESO

What’s your burst setup?

The basic bow gank is at max range then mage light—>leathal arrow—>lethal arrow—>shadowy disguise—>poison injection. Just a basic combo. The range gives extra damage to bow abilities via bow passive, mage light to proc might of the guild passive, lethal arrow then another and immediately cloak to make the first crit, if you can get a light attack in go for it then poison injection to finish.

Just one of several burst combos.