Nightblade tank gear to pair with Plague Doc

krachall

I have a Nightblade magika tank nearing 50 and, when he gets there, will upgrade him from the level 16 gear he's been wearing since the last event.

Going 5/5/2 with Plague Doctors as one of the 5 piece sets (two armor and three jewelry...like everyone else, I have 2 gold plague doctor rings now). That set handles the hit points part of the build.

The 2xMonster set will probably be Bloodspawn.

The other 5x set will start off as crafted because I don't have any trial/vet weapons to make a set with. With a wide range of sets available to craft, what would you suggest?

I don't think I want a high-health set, as my Plague Doc takes care of that.

Do I want a resistance set, like Armor Master or Alessia's Bulwark?
Do I want a magika set, like Magnus' Gift or Seducer?
Do I want a magika damage set, for more dps with my NB siphon skills, like Julianos?

My main skills while tanking are Restoring Path, Sap Essence, and Funnel Health along with a puncture every 15 seconds.

exeeter702

Barahas or perhaps tavas if you intend on using mirage are both not bad.

Jim_Pipp

Do come back and give us feedback on how the build works out. I've been thinking about a nightblade tank build for a long time but can never come up with anything that sounds viable (in comparison to the old fashioned sap tanks).

If you are looking for a crafted set then you have a few options, but which is best will depend on you and your playstyle.

Torugs-pact, this reduces enchant cost and increases enchant power. This combined with a crusher enchant is Meta on a DK trials tank. It will provide the most group support of any of your options.

Tava's - Nightblades are the only tanks that can use this now. The dodge chance is good for tanking and the extra ultimate is great, but potentially is overkill if you also have bloodspawn.

Seducers - this would be my choice, because the good thing about nightblades is you are providing some healing to yourself and others, and when you run out of magic you will be offering very little to the group.

I don't recommend using Julianos, you will never do much damage as a tank so there is no point using a 5 piece set to make something bad slightly better. I haven't done the maths but I think a set that boosts armor (basically fortified brass is the best of those at the moment) would be overkill, pushing your resistance well above what is necessary when you have a large health pool. If you are running a high health build then you can use the mages skill balance (I forget which morph) to get the major resistance buffs and that way you don't need to keep up the shadow barrier passive.

Narvuntien

I think Travas is a good option for more warhorns.

I'd of suggested Bloodthorn but its a light armor set so you need to use it on the jewerlly

Akaviri Dragonguard is a common tank set but I am not sure how good it is on nightblades.
Black Rose used to be good but those nerfs... ouch.

Shacklebreaker is a good set just for getting resources.

ccfeeling

You will have a big problems with few dungeons HM .

Most of the NB active and passive skills are not tank perspective , even healer prespective
No effective crowd control unlike DK , SORC , WARDEN , Siphoning Strikes cannot support you when you need to hold block a long time , risk vs reward , you could try LA / HA lol .

As a NB tank , survivability is your major homework , don't even think about the team support .

P. doc is useless in hard contents , some bosses nasty mechanics ...you don't block you die or you almost die if you have damn high HP pool .

Access major resistance buffs are not easy .
Immovable? High stam cost
Shadow Barrier ? 6 Sec , yuppy !
Balance ? The exchange reduces your healing done and damage shield strength by 50% for 4 seconds
Monster set ? Would be consider
Unfair ? No comment

If you are just focus on easy content , you can play whatever you want , actually everyone can be this role even pet sorc dps .
If not , better roll a DK tank , they are the best , cheese mode , belove , you won't regret .
If you still wanna be a NB tank , it's possible , find some excellent friends , feels like carry , yes but true .

As I know , there are no constructive update to NB , whichever , healer or tank .
TBH , we may be get nerfed again , no one likes NB in PVP world . We do nothing wrong in PVE even we are already in bad condition but we may get nerfed again .

Gomumon

Regardless of your class, I feel that a tank has the same priorities:

• Taunting
• Crowd control
• Debuffing
• Group buffing

I may be wrong, but I feel like the best sets for a NB tank would be the same ones for a DK tank, because there's only so few sets that provide your group with that level of penetration and Warhorns.

I would love more options to tank as other builds too, but as it stands, I think most people would vote to kick you or reject you from running vet content and trials with a NB tank.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Livewire + http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Bahraha's_Curse + any monster helm you want. The extra 40% mitigation from traps actually works on most bosses attacks so that set is crazy good.

Combine with a lightning staff and wall, 18% increased dps your Stam and most mag dps.

Plague doctor is not that great, much less on a NB, there are no meaningful skills that scale with health, like igneous shields on a dk.

@ccfeeling not sure what is making you think this op need that kind of advice, he wants to tank on a NB, not a big deal.


I see you said crafted, along with what @Jim_Pipp said about tava and sudcers, I would try kagrenacs, the extra spell damage will help your heals be bigger and the rest speed is always welcome.

tommalmm

I'm using Bahraha's Curse and Plague Doctor/Ebon on my NB tank. I have all but 10 points into magicka (the remaining 10 into stamina), so Plague doctor guarantees a healthy health pool (^^). I have a mix of infused/sturdy. It's not suited for trials and is very selfish, but I've done every single dungeon on HM with it and it was fine. Most of the time we run tank+3DDs. I never perma block, even on my DK tank. I pretty much heavy/light attack on both bars all the time, blocking only whenever it's necessary. The only problem I've had was vFH where I had to block a lot, and my stamina pool wasn't too great (~18k). Changing the infused pieces to sturdy would certainly fix that.

The lack of crowd controll (maybe except of soul tether) is not a big issue if you're playing with a group that knows what to do when playing with an NB tank (like not attacking until the tank gathers mobs and uses los or distance to gather ranged mobs if possible). With this simple setup, you can easily solo most of the vet dungeons, although it takes a while (DPS is like 8-10k unless a lot of mobs are around).

Tigeracer

I use a stamblade tank, which is also my dps. I have completed all hard mode dungeons and off tanked in most of the veteran trials.

For crowd control, I use swarm mother. It works really well and looks hilarious too.

Currently I’m using ebon and leeching, but I would like to swap leeching out for something like bahrahas curse. The proc chance on leeching is just so low and then mirage lowers it more.

Maura_Neysa

Kena PK's build, Tava's and Desert Rose

kylewwefan

check out Gilliamtherogue sap tank build. Since CwC I think he has swapped out leeching to use the new live wire set. So go with Baharas Curse/livewire/monster.

If you want to make a real beefy tank, I’ve used Resilient yokeda with Leeching and Bloodspawn or Warden.

For nightblade tanking, you need to learn all fights enough to know when you can drop block to get heavy attacks in for resources. You can learn on the go pretty quick, it’s not some über e-peen thing.

Have fun! If some things get a bit too tough, make a DK tank. They’re easy.

exeeter702

ccfeeling wrote: »

You will have a big problems with few dungeons HM .

Most of the NB active and passive skills are not tank perspective , even healer prespective
No effective crowd control unlike DK , SORC , WARDEN , Siphoning Strikes cannot support you when you need to hold block a long time , risk vs reward , you could try LA / HA lol .

As a NB tank , survivability is your major homework , don't even think about the team support .

P. doc is useless in hard contents , some bosses nasty mechanics ...you don't block you die or you almost die if you have damn high HP pool .

Access major resistance buffs are not easy .
Immovable? High stam cost
Shadow Barrier ? 6 Sec , yuppy !
Balance ? The exchange reduces your healing done and damage shield strength by 50% for 4 seconds
Monster set ? Would be consider
Unfair ? No comment

If you are just focus on easy content , you can play whatever you want , actually everyone can be this role even pet sorc dps .
If not , better roll a DK tank , they are the best , cheese mode , belove , you won't regret .
If you still wanna be a NB tank , it's possible , find some excellent friends , feels like carry , yes but true .

As I know , there are no constructive update to NB , whichever , healer or tank .
TBH , we may be get nerfed again , no one likes NB in PVP world . We do nothing wrong in PVE even we are already in bad condition but we may get nerfed again .

Sorry as someone who main heals vet trials as nb, comments in that regard are nonsense.

As for nb tanking in vet dungeons even the dlc, its not an issue whatsoever. You not understanding the 100 percent shadow barrier uptime on 5heavy NBs is telling.

You would be wise ingoring this post, OP.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

kylewwefan wrote: »

check out Gilliamtherogue sap tank build. Since CwC I think he has swapped out leeching to use the new live wire set. So go with Baharas Curse/livewire/monster.

If you want to make a real beefy tank, I’ve used Resilient yokeda with Leeching and Bloodspawn or Warden.

For nightblade tanking, you need to learn all fights enough to know when you can drop block to get heavy attacks in for resources. You can learn on the go pretty quick, it’s not some über e-peen thing.

Have fun! If some things get a bit too tough, make a DK tank. They’re easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBstBT-1dHI, link to the video of Gilliams.

krachall

exeeter702 wrote: »

Sorry as someone who main heals vet trials as nb, comments in that regard are nonsense.

As for nb tanking in vet dungeons even the dlc, its not an issue whatsoever. You not understanding the 100 percent shadow barrier uptime on 5heavy NBs is telling.

You would be wise ingoring this post, OP.

Thanks! But that Shadow Barrier thing is making it even harder to pick 5 pieces of crafted armor. It makes high resistance sets overkill. So that's why I'm leaning towards a magicka set. I'm not a tank expert by any means. My main is a stamblade and that's what I play 90% of the time (and 8% of the time I'm on my crafter). But, the way I see it, tanks need three things other than taunts: high hit points, high resists, and something to handle adds.

My Plague Doctor will take care of my hit points.
My Shadow Barrier will take care of my resistances.
I hear a NB's weakness as a tank is no CC. While that may be true, I think I make up for that with some AOE damage (Refreshing Path, Sap Essence) and some healing (Refreshing path, Funnel Health). For that, wouldn't a magicka set help the most?

And, while I appreciate all the dungeon and overland sets, I need a crafted set to wear immediately when I hit 50. I'm currently wearing level 16 blue gear . I'm sure all those people in my daily randoms love me.

Narvuntien

Okay then you have three options.
Tava's Favor: combined with Mirage allows you to very quickly general ultimate for more Warhorns. (or one of the NB ultimates)
Torag's pact: Stronger and more often procing of crushing (and weakening) enchant. A popular set.
Shacklebreaker: Just resources.... if that is what you really need.

exeeter702

krachall wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Sorry as someone who main heals vet trials as nb, comments in that regard are nonsense.

As for nb tanking in vet dungeons even the dlc, its not an issue whatsoever. You not understanding the 100 percent shadow barrier uptime on 5heavy NBs is telling.

You would be wise ingoring this post, OP.

Thanks! But that Shadow Barrier thing is making it even harder to pick 5 pieces of crafted armor. It makes high resistance sets overkill. So that's why I'm leaning towards a magicka set. I'm not a tank expert by any means. My main is a stamblade and that's what I play 90% of the time (and 8% of the time I'm on my crafter). But, the way I see it, tanks need three things other than taunts: high hit points, high resists, and something to handle adds.

My Plague Doctor will take care of my hit points.
My Shadow Barrier will take care of my resistances.
I hear a NB's weakness as a tank is no CC. While that may be true, I think I make up for that with some AOE damage (Refreshing Path, Sap Essence) and some healing (Refreshing path, Funnel Health). For that, wouldn't a magicka set help the most?

And, while I appreciate all the dungeon and overland sets, I need a crafted set to wear immediately when I hit 50. I'm currently wearing level 16 blue gear . I'm sure all those people in my daily randoms love me.

You should understand that outside of magsorc sheild tanking in light, as a tank magicka or stam, major ward and resolve are not always going to be enough. Heavy armor should be a priorty. Thats why barahars heavy is a popular pick for mag nb tanks for example. With enough magicka, keeping refreshing down is easy since the skill is dirt cheap, so the duration concerns via shadow barrier are a non issue.

My comment towards that post was of the fact that the individual attempted at downplaying nb tank via their shadow barrier passive duration. This is a double failure in logic because as a magicka nb, keeping up the passive is easy, therefore the duration is not a factor, and if you are a stam nb tank in particualr, heavy armor is the only option and in that case the duration sky rockets.