FIX PVP! 0 hp 1 sec its not normal.

REdream90

OMG im so tyred of 1 sec DPS to 0 HP in this META impenetrable and sustain. If you have no sustain m8 you suck. in 80% you will suck as much as you can. pls FIX your PVP. Im not the only one who tyred. Is this normal in pvp? when you stand, play and then bazinga, you died. normal? ye?

REdream90

Your calculation to stamina, magicka, hp and damage is the worst i saw in endless MMORPG, pls hire new person for calculation. Please make Spamming one button skill less usefull. I played a lot in PvP (cyrodill and battleground) in a meta nightblade build and less meta PvP build. The
difference is ugly awful. Make balance, hire a new person, do something. Cose the difference if so big. You have no PvP meta build? Prepare to die in less than 1 sec
. The smart one who will defend this awfull PvP with l2p etc. please say something constructive, go to Battleground, make some pvp there in less pvp meta build, you will see the difference. I now and can do animation cancel,played all classes, know there weakness etc....i can kill people, but if you have no meta power...you suck...yes boys go deltias,alcast...2-3 build for a 1.000.000 players...good perspective.. Its still Awfull balance for a new person. You have to be 1 in 1 meta Pvp build killer to atleast do something.
I love Eso very much, i love its pve, but its pvp balancing and difference making me crazy.

Anrose

I know most of those words are English, but the message here is entirely lost.

Jaybe_Mawfaka

l2p

Izaki

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that this is a L2P issue, since I couldn't understand 60% of what you said. It looks like you've just put together some random words and hoped it would kinda resemble a sentence. Nope.

REdream90

Yes sorry for my language, im not english speaking person, but you can clearly read the issue im trying to tell you.

Thogard

90% of the good players I know have made their own build.

Bazinga

Baconlad

Spamming one button is not as useful. Magplar I have vamps bane, purifying light, radiant destruction, unstable core, shock reach, puncturing sweeps. I'll tell you, trying to maintain all those abilities, I don't get to sweeps spam often, maybe two to three sweeps casts every ten seconds.

BroanBeast1215

ITT OPie got snipe spammed to death


that's my guess of the mess of the OP

Zordrage

someone is getting ganked by Nightblades.....

Reverb

If I'm understanding correctly, you don't like that you have to put thought and effort into mitigating incoming damage from other players. Is that about it?

VaranisArano

I'm going to try to offer some constructive help, but I'll warn you, I'm still trying to figure out the root of the problem. So if I don't actually address your concerns, I'm sorry. You'll need to clarify.

PVP isn't easy. There are a lot of challenges to really getting good at PVP. Those challenges can be really frustrating, but they can also be overcome.

1. Dying in PVP - Prepare to Die. Like, a lot. Its gonna happen, its PVP. Now, that being said, there's some things you can do to die less.

• Get Tankier - wear Impenetrable trait armor so enemies can't crit you to death, get as much health as you need to feel comfortable, and look at defensive skills you can use. Use them appropriately - buff and armor up before battle, not when you're getting hit. (The goal here is not to rely on your tankiness, but to live long enough that you learn what is effective and what is not. I ran Plague Doctor on my healer, which allowed me to learn the tactics I needed in order to be just as effective in my current light armor with 10K less health. Its about living long enough to learn situational awareness then dialing back to the level of tankiness you actually need.)
• Use self-heals proactively - by the time you realize you need healing, you might be in execute range. Heals over time applied consistently are more effective that big burst heals.
• Play defensively - the players that I see surviving the longest do a lot of running and line of sight. You said you played a nightblade - this sort of running and gunning playstyle is really good on a nightblade. It'll take a lot of practice to do this well. Otherwise you wind up running away only to die tired.

2. Sustain in PVP - If you run out of resources that you need, you are probably dead. Fortunately, this is something you can address with your own build. You can change gear, enchantments, attributes, CP allotment, food/drink, potions, poisons, and your rotation in order to increase your sustain. Defensive play also helps a lot. Unless you are bombing/ganking where its a one-hit wonder, you can play defensively and line of sight to buy time for your resources to recover.

3. Killing People in PVP - I'm a magDK healer primarily, so, uh, don't expect anything profound in this section. Still... This basically works out to paying attention to what works and what doesn't. The meta is a good starting point, but the real beauty of a PVP killer is in the execution. A good bomber can wipe a raid with a spot-on execution, a bad bomber passes through and the raid heals right back up to full. Having a meta build is no guarantee of capability (I made a blazeplar back when those were all the rage in PVP, she sucked royally because I didn't have a clue how to play her effectively). It takes practice and refinement to get really good at fighting and killing players in solo or small group PVP.

4. Counters in PVP
Pay attention to what is giving you the most trouble and research counters available to your class and playstyle. In between all the L2Play and "git gud" responses, you'll find information about what to do. Some counters are available to all players, like Line of Sighting, what to do when you get ganked (survive the initial burst, detect the player and go fight) or bombed (roll dodge out, hold block, heal, pray the noob didn't get Vicious Death'ed). Some counters are available for certain playstyles, like heavy armor tanks who 1vX (bash/interrupt them), or Mist Form is an excellent stealth skill for Vampires that like running away in order to increase their surviability (I love using DK chains on these vampires). Some counters are available for certain classes, like Purge on a magicka character, Dragonknight wings, or Nightblade cloaks. Some counters are available for larger groups - organized raids can heal through destro ulti pain trains and the like.
There are counters for nearly everything in PVP. Its a matter of learning them, and of course, executing them properly.

Kode

I'm sorry but it seems like you want to be viable with pretty much any build because you don't want to adapt to the "meta" as you call it.
I think the first thing to understand in PvP is the native requirements, you mentioned impenetrable and I should elaborate on that for a moment. You wouldn't go into a fight without some type of armor, right? Well, for PvP critical hits are a thing (PvE doesn't crit because it is difficult to balance properly), which means that if you don't have impenetrable gear, you are going to be fighting without defenses... the same as going into battle without armor essentially because you are going to get burnt down fast (generally speaking)

Honestly I suggest you familiarize yourself with some of the basic principals of building and go from there. "meta" builds work for people because other people like Alcast, ect have done the work for you and given you a kit to work with. If you aren't comfortable using other people's builds, at least learn the fundamentals of pvp combat, then go from there.

Most players will benefit from a fixed set of stats, i.e. minimums for health, primary stats, primary stat recovery, physical and spell resistances... if you don't hit those targets you are simply leaving a gaping hole and weakness in your build. You can get away with it when you fully understand PvP.

If you are new to PvP you really should pick up a meta build from a repurable builder. Preferably something in heavy armor with decent sustain, run atleast 5 pieces impen and throw more into champion points. A tankier build will keep you alive longer so you can learn more from each fight, as you get better you can start making adjustments. This way you will have a good idea of the baseline, and how your changes affect your abilities.

If you have questions, feel free to contact me in game @Iamkode

VaranisArano

Now, you did make a request that we take a "less meta" build into Battlegrounds.

What does that mean?

In small group PVP, you don't have overwhelming numbers or a full healer supporting you like you would in a raid. So you have to: dish out tons of damage, provide your own self-heals and debuffs, and stay alive and mobile. That takes a lot of skill to execute effectively on one character. Players who like to do this type of PVP work out what works and what doesn't pretty quickly because there's not a lot of room for mistakes with that kind of play, resulting in a pretty clear meta.

Or to put it this way, when you are in a group of four, you can't hide the flaws in your build or your play behind other players. Your build has to be solid and you have to play well, or you'll be dead. So yes, builds that don't measure up simply don't measure up. A skilled player can compensate, but an unskilled player certainly can't.

Now for Battlegrounds...
Battlegrounds is a certain type of small group play centered around different objectives that creates very conflicting meta builds. Certain modes are best done by super tanky types. Certain modes are best done by speedy types. Certain modes are best done by the small group PVP builds I described above. So there's a lot of issues with the Battlegrounds meta, largely caused by the objectives in the modes and CP allowing more extreme tank builds than no CP did.

Its also the same thing as small group PVP. You can't hide the flaws in your build or the mistakes in play in a 4v4v4 arena. A skilled player can compensate for a weak build. An unskilled player without the experience in PVP is not going to be able to do well without a substantial learning curve.

Kode

VaranisArano wrote: »

1. Dying in PVP - Prepare to Die. Like, a lot. Its gonna happen, its PVP. Now, that being said, there's some things you can do to die less.

• Get Tankier - wear Impenetrable trait armor so enemies can't crit you to death, get as much health as you need to feel comfortable, and look at defensive skills you can use. Use them appropriately - buff and armor up before battle, not when you're getting hit. (The goal here is not to rely on your tankiness, but to live long enough that you learn what is effective and what is not. I ran Plague Doctor on my healer, which allowed me to learn the tactics I needed in order to be just as effective in my current light armor with 10K less health. Its about living long enough to learn situational awareness then dialing back to the level of tankiness you actually need.)
• Use self-heals proactively - by the time you realize you need healing, you might be in execute range. Heals over time applied consistently are more effective that big burst heals.
• Play defensively - the players that I see surviving the longest do a lot of running and line of sight. You said you played a nightblade - this sort of running and gunning playstyle is really good on a nightblade. It'll take a lot of practice to do this well. Otherwise you wind up running away only to die tired.

This. Learn to live, then learn to kill. If you are getting wasted in PvP, you are probably fighting much more skilled players who know the rules and have plenty of practice. I might also suggest you start in non-CP, if you haven't already done that.
It may not make sense now, but eventually you will be able to read between the lines and see exactly why you died so fast.

SaKGEE

lazerlaz

Anrose wrote: »

I know most of those words are English, but the message here is entirely lost.

Lmfao was thinking the same thing! Classic.

Beardimus

Your post needs way more context OP, but have to say @VaranisArano has been uber helpful up there ^

Jawasa

The thing is that burst is the only way to kill some1. So if you remove burst no1 will ever die.

GrigorijMalahevich

Yes Deltia - the famous prophet of the PvP builds.

A lot of players play meta, but most competent players have adjusted the meta to their needs.

Its funny that you complain about 1 sec DPS to 0 hp and then say that without sustain your build is _not so good_. You also play NB - funny to complain about one button spam... (Surprising attack)

P.S. L2P and gitgud

IlCanis_LupuslI

You don't have 2 play meta. It helps but in no way mandatory.
I make my own builds(1-2 of them admittedly inspired by some meta setups, thou with my own twist in them :-D )
Usually i try and doing the exact opposite of the current meta=
For example: stamina nightblade
Curent meta= roly poly stamblades high stam regen, 2h(asylum, nirn), master bow, eternal hunt
Playstile= Hit & run, cloaking often, using summon shade morph to port around
So what i did?=
Stam regen UNbuffed 1.5-1.6k
Dual axes (Fb), 1h+s (Bb)asylum, heavy armor(5/1/1)
Playstile= NO CLOAK, NO SUMMON SHADES, NO MASS HYSTERIA(other Morph “Aspect if Terror“ is way btter with this setup, basically holding your ground in using AoT dotting up every melee fighter who gets in close. Against Rangers use “defensive stance“ to keep stunning them and reflecting their bursts(frags, javelins, etc) to,get in close and dot him up.
When dot is running and poison proccs(dual damage no resource poison bs) incap--- >spektral bow---->flying blade
Basically a Dot build. Works very well and very far away from current meta

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Average players use meta builds. Better players don’t follow the meta. Just because you go on YouTube and see 5 videos of a a particular classes builds doesn’t mean those are the only ones used and the only ones that are feasible/are best.

On top of that, if you’re running a glass cannon build you’re going to die in a short amount of time if not careful. I run a glass cannon build and have to play smartly because if I don’t its my own fault if I get two shorted for not paying attention. Has nothing to do with ZoS.

Dredlord

Anrose wrote: »

I know most of those words are English, but the message here is entirely lost.

Hahahahah

CyrusArya

You’re absolutely right, it’s not normal. Not for me. Not for the ppl I play with. Not for my respected foes in PvP.

Have you tried learning to play and getting good?

Barbaran

sounds like your under 160cp and wearing green or blue med armour gear with low crit resist