Which MAGBLADE build is better ? And Why? [UESP Links]

Erekon

Which build is better in your opinion: ( UESP Links):

Build 1
or
Build 2

Lexxypwns

Transmutation, War Maiden, Skoria

Bro, you can't run ele drain on your resto bar. Therefore the other build wins by default.

If the skills were proper the trans build is superior, skoria+maiden is sooo much damage, you're also missing the extra damage from a destro skill on your bars.

Erekon

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Bro, you can't run ele drain on your resto bar. Therefore the other build wins by default.

If the skills were proper the trans build is superior, skoria+maiden is sooo much damage, you're also missing the extra damage from a destro skill on your bars.

Ahah yeah. The idea was to get major breach as I was using drain on my destro bar earlier. Forgot to change it to piercing mark on my backbar .

Also, yeah, you're right.. no destro skill on my mainbar. Looks like I *** up. Could you please suggest a skill setup for the transmutation, skori+ maiden build?
Maybe I could put drain on the front bar(give up inner light) and use another shield (harness magicka) on the backbar?

Trashs1

i font like either of them....

warmaiden dont buffs your la weaving dmg...

i did skoria julianos and trans, idk, since magblade is really hard to play (but if well played strong a f ) i did only medicore

Subversus

Transmutation, War Maiden, Skoria

Trans/riposte/skoria

You'd be dead in a few seconds tops in full light with only transmutation and a bugged shade...

Datthaw

Subversus wrote: »

Trans/riposte/skoria

You'd be dead in a few seconds tops in full light with only transmutation and a bugged shade...

Yeah this setup is pretty nice. Great survivability and sustain. However with this setup you're not dishing out too much damage. Don't get me wrong it's more than enough damage for almost every situation. But in higher end duels I've found I don't have enough dps to pressure my opponents to heal and get off the offinsive. You can still be successful with this build and I still run it myself but something with more max stats or dps might help

Erekon

Subversus wrote: »

Trans/riposte/skoria

You'd be dead in a few seconds tops in full light with only transmutation and a bugged shade...

Are you sure I would have enough damage to take down opponents? Also, with transmutation, I would be at around 3.5k+ crit resist. Is that much needed or can I get away with 2.5kish? I was thinking of getting lich if that extra crit resist is not needed. ( or maybe even a damage set with riposte).

Dong_Valentino

I would suggest war maiden along with shacklebreaker, bloodthorn is an inferior version of Amber plasm, and shacklebreaker paired with Amber leads to too much recovery which you can trade some for offensive sets like war maiden. Actually it is very flexible as you can try different combination of offensive and defensive sets like war maiden, shacklebreaker, Amber plasm, transmutation, wizard riposte, julianos. And even innate axiom since you are using mostly class skills (but not now as it is currently bugged and not buff assassin's will which is really sad)
3.5k crit resistemce is too much in my opinion and 2.5k is fine, and considering magblade is a somehow stealthy class, which means you won't often have a brutal face-to-face combat with your opponent, less defensive status is acceptable. As pointed out by others, you will be melted almost immediately with light armor, so you must know how to get disengaged quickly using cloak shade or something. If you are inclined to face your enemies directly, you can try 2 defensive sets like transmutation and wizard riposte.
and about the major breach, I think Mark target is a great ability against other nightblade while elemental drain provides decent magicka recovery. however if you just wanna use Mark target simply for its major breach, it is not a good idea as it is useless against shielded enemies. (i am not sure how well it works on heavy armor enemies)
finally destructive touch is a good ability. the fire touch knock the enemy back and you can hit him hard with swallow soul or just get away from him or even interrupt him doing some channel abilities. the shock touch stuns the enemy and have a chance to apply minor vulnerability with a shock damage enchantment. you can use it on your front bar.
hope it helps.

Lexxypwns

Transmutation, War Maiden, Skoria

Datthaw wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Trans/riposte/skoria

You'd be dead in a few seconds tops in full light with only transmutation and a bugged shade...

Yeah this setup is pretty nice. Great survivability and sustain. However with this setup you're not dishing out too much damage. Don't get me wrong it's more than enough damage for almost every situation. But in higher end duels I've found I don't have enough dps to pressure my opponents to heal and get off the offinsive. You can still be successful with this build and I still run it myself but something with more max stats or dps might help

Trans/riposte/skoria is good damage as long as you’re weaving properly and keeping DoTs up. It’s not a duel spec though, there’s 100% no reason to run riposte on a mageblade duel build. What are your jewelry glyphs, mundus, and weapon trait/glyph setup? I run infused resto with damage glyph and nirn destro with escapist poisons. I top out over 3k spell damage plus the skoria proc on a VERY tanky light armor setup.

@Subversus afaik shade is fine in duels since it always passes the buggy LoS check that shouldn’t be there, also you can just use escapist poisons to have mobility. This means you should NOT run riposte in duels.

@Erekon I don’t like maiden, I run flame reach front bar and weaving is critical to our kit, it also only improves the healing from funnel since it’s based on damage done. All your other healing will be lower. Some players like @CavalryPK run maiden with great success but I really think it’s inefficient and requires tighter play than a build with more healing(he runs Lich/maiden/skoria -zendrans build). Imo, julianos is superior since it improves your damage and healing and you don’t really need the damage since the mageblade kit+skoria is plenty. For reference, maiden adds less damage over riposte than simply running a destro skill on your front bar will, if you’re having trouble getting kills start with that 8% increase then see if you still feel you need a damage set. Both Lich and bloodthorn are over-sustain imo. Shackle isn’t quite enough sustain alone. Don’t give up skoria

Datthaw

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Trans/riposte/skoria

You'd be dead in a few seconds tops in full light with only transmutation and a bugged shade...

Yeah this setup is pretty nice. Great survivability and sustain. However with this setup you're not dishing out too much damage. Don't get me wrong it's more than enough damage for almost every situation. But in higher end duels I've found I don't have enough dps to pressure my opponents to heal and get off the offinsive. You can still be successful with this build and I still run it myself but something with more max stats or dps might help

Trans/riposte/skoria is good damage as long as you’re weaving properly and keeping DoTs up. It’s not a duel spec though, there’s 100% no reason to run riposte on a mageblade duel build. What are your jewelry glyphs, mundus, and weapon trait/glyph setup? I run infused resto with damage glyph and nirn destro with escapist poisons. I top out over 3k spell damage plus the skoria proc on a VERY tanky light armor setup.

@Subversus afaik shade is fine in duels since it always passes the buggy LoS check that shouldn’t be there, also you can just use escapist poisons to have mobility. This means you should NOT run riposte in duels.

@Erekon I don’t like maiden, I run flame reach front bar and weaving is critical to our kit, it also only improves the healing from funnel since it’s based on damage done. All your other healing will be lower. Some players like @CavalryPK run maiden with great success but I really think it’s inefficient and requires tighter play than a build with more healing(he runs Lich/maiden/skoria -zendrans build). Imo, julianos is superior since it improves your damage and healing and you don’t really need the damage since the mageblade kit+skoria is plenty. For reference, maiden adds less damage over riposte than simply running a destro skill on your front bar will, if you’re having trouble getting kills start with that 8% increase then see if you still feel you need a damage set. Both Lich and bloodthorn are over-sustain imo. Shackle isn’t quite enough sustain alone. Don’t give up skoria

I'm running all mag glyphs on armor, 3 spell power on jewelry, weapons aren't ideal traits, both destro and resto are sharpened. I have just been enlightened on another thread by you about escapist poisons. So I want to re trait into resto infused an run escapist poison front bar atleast in duels. My mundus is atronarch atm but I was thinking g of changing it to spell power mundus.
I'm tsitting at like 34k mag 18k hp 11k stam 2.5k buffed sp (before I golded all enchants last night) and 2.2k regen (think I can sacrifice some via mundus change)

brandonv516

Not voting for either.

I've ran Spinners/Wizards/Skoria now since shortly after Morrowind dropped and I don't think I'll change it up.

I've found what is best for me but I also feel it is very superior to other builds too (not trying to gloat).

-Lightning charged staff w/ shock enchant
Swallow-Dampen-Crippling-Wall-Merciless-SH

-Resto defending staff w/ spell dmg enchant
Blur-Ward-Fear-Mist-Siphon-Resto Ult

Works in non-CP and CP.

Subversus

Transmutation, War Maiden, Skoria

@Lexxypwns shade is really not fine in duels. Mine works (as of 2 weeks ago when I last played - refuse to log back in until they fix shade) about 3 out of 10 times if I'm generous...

Lexxypwns

Transmutation, War Maiden, Skoria

Subversus wrote: »

@Lexxypwns shade is really not fine in duels. Mine works (as of 2 weeks ago when I last played - refuse to log back in until they fix shade) about 3 out of 10 times if I'm generous...

Interesting, I see a lot of people still running it in duels, but I dropped it as soon as it got buggy and use my shade spot for a flex now

thankyourat

Transmutation, War Maiden, Skoria

I found dual wield/ resto to actually be the strongest magblade dual build. With your pressure coming from you resto bar and burst coming from your dual weild bar. It was actally broken when agony use to stun because you could pretty much one shot anyone. I ran necro/torgues/skoria. But any combination of damage sets would work that's just what i had. The only problem was it was weak open world so i stayed away from it. Open world i run riposte/maiden skoria. Either destro or 2hand main bar depending on which ball groups are playing.

As for your build trans/maiden /skoria would be best. Anything with skoria will be good really lol

Dillpat

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=36006 is the build I use, not the best but high shields, sustain and decent dmg imo but im still l2p mag nb, too use to stamplar bae