Trollplar

Xvorg

Is the classic trollplar build still working? I was thinking about making one to face some zerglings

For those who don't know it, it's the one using blazing shield

UnversedNumber3

They did nerf blazing shield build a while back. I dont remember what they did to it. Let me know how it goes.

Xvorg

Was thinking about mixing blazing with VD and skoria (a little help from Plague doctor too) though IDK if I would be able to kill anyone with that set up.

Maybe in a group it could work

Minno

Xvorg wrote: »

Was thinking about mixing blazing with VD and skoria (a little help from Plague doctor too) though IDK if I would be able to kill anyone with that set up.

Maybe in a group it could work

slimecraw boosts the end %dmg from BS. Add a sword, and you are looking at a 13% increase to the base 42%.

Here's what I could quickly write on paper (highest BS dmg percentage you can get is 66%. Bastion doesn't boost the max health stat of the shield enough to justify points into it.):

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=35412

Figured, you can get max health elsewhere, so why bother with plague doc? Probably better to run Duroks to troll group/zerg fights and thunderbug gives 6k before battlespirit on 50% all incoming physical dmg. Just stand on caltrops lol.

It's probably terrible, but in my defense I made it up just now so no chance to test.

Baconlad

You will NOT get the VD proc...trust me. I tried that before all the nerfs, when you could actually stack all health and solo five guys. I rarely got a killing blow for VD to proc...

They have nerfed blazing shield in multiple ways the past year.
Nerf to plague doctor
10% direct Nerf to damage it explodes for
Nerf to magic Regen which really hurt
Nerf to magic cost reduction
Nerf(s) to Malubeth
Nerf to templar healing output
More indirect damage nerfs through the damage CP nerfs and crit nerfs.
Nerf to sharpened
It's not a build you can play without a healer and zerg behind you keeping you sustained. And at that point you may as well just build an AoE bombplar for more damage, sustain and survivability. The damage for stacking every ounce into health forgoing any other stats is actually quite low... like 5k if your lucky

If you want to attempt to pull it off, go 50k health, get some magic regen, some max magic, and slot thunderbug and storm knight, maybe skoria or grothdar....then get a healer

Baconlad

It actually really sad that the Nerfs hit the shield so hard...i never understood the issue with it in the first place. Such an easy build to ignore, and the damage would only kill anything if you were an idiot and stood on top of it...I laugh when I see them these days...was my favorite playstyle after one tamriel.

Kartalin

I think you'll have a better time trolling with Meridia's or trans/riposte/earthgore than any build that incorporates blazing shield. How far that skill has fallen...

Brutusmax1mus

You need to stack so much regen to pull it off now. Without light armor good luck. Without heavy you're max hp isn't enough you make it worth while.

No way in hell you're sustaining BS without a sustain set. 1 poison and an enemy with siphoner and you'll last a few pops.

Minno

Kartalin wrote: »

I think you'll have a better time trolling with Meridia's or trans/riposte/earthgore than any build that incorporates blazing shield. How far that skill has fallen...

Yea it's so badly nerfed that we actually need blinding flashes back lol. Or we need the shield to scale off max mag. Or have major mending given back.

Minno

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

You need to stack so much regen to pull it off now. Without light armor good luck. Without heavy you're max hp isn't enough you make it worth while.

No way in hell you're sustaining BS without a sustain set. 1 poison and an enemy with siphoner and you'll last a few pops.

Channeled focus + ele drain will give about 540 Regen. If you can get 1600 , that will put you at 2100 total. Using tri pots for the rest. Argonian might be better for blaze builds.

Only issue is the penetration that's missing and cost reduction. And the fact it's a tank build so unless you want to kill puggles, you'll need some support set that gives a massive AOE status. Otherwise not worth it.

Brutusmax1mus

Minno wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

You need to stack so much regen to pull it off now. Without light armor good luck. Without heavy you're max hp isn't enough you make it worth while.

No way in hell you're sustaining BS without a sustain set. 1 poison and an enemy with siphoner and you'll last a few pops.

Channeled focus + ele drain will give about 540 Regen. If you can get 1600 , that will put you at 2100 total. Using tri pots for the rest. Argonian might be better for blaze builds.

Only issue is the penetration that's missing and cost reduction. And the fact it's a tank build so unless you want to kill puggles, you'll need some support set that gives a massive AOE status. Otherwise not worth it.

Bs can't be standing in a 4m circle unless it's a breach. You'd slot aura for drain? There goes 2.5k magicka before you even start. Plus the 900 for focus. 2100 on a pool of 20k? No way you're sustaining 4.4k cost even with 2500 regen on a pool of 20k with siphoner and cost increase in you, unless it's Just 1 person. Just based on my experience.

When i tried it i went light TBS with lord/ atro (360 recovery full divine)full divines.
Max heath
Max mag
Max stam
3.5k health from mundus.

Paired with numerous sets like apprentice garb, fassallas, plague(Most dmg by far).

I found in light i almost had the sustain, but lacked the hp to really go boom. And in heavy i had bigger health and damage, but three sustain was a real challenge.

Minno

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

You need to stack so much regen to pull it off now. Without light armor good luck. Without heavy you're max hp isn't enough you make it worth while.

No way in hell you're sustaining BS without a sustain set. 1 poison and an enemy with siphoner and you'll last a few pops.

Channeled focus + ele drain will give about 540 Regen. If you can get 1600 , that will put you at 2100 total. Using tri pots for the rest. Argonian might be better for blaze builds.

Only issue is the penetration that's missing and cost reduction. And the fact it's a tank build so unless you want to kill puggles, you'll need some support set that gives a massive AOE status. Otherwise not worth it.

Bs can't be standing in a 4m circle unless it's a breach. You'd slot aura for drain? There goes 2.5k magicka before you even start. Plus the 900 for focus. 2100 on a pool of 20k? No way you're sustaining 4.4k cost even with 2500 regen on a pool of 20k with siphoner and cost increase in you, unless it's Just 1 person. Just based on my experience.

When i tried it i went light TBS with lord/ atro (360 recovery full divine)full divines.
Max heath
Max mag
Max stam
3.5k health from mundus.

Paired with numerous sets like apprentice garb, fassallas, plague(Most dmg by far).

I found in light i almost had the sustain, but lacked the hp to really go boom. And in heavy i had bigger health and damage, but three sustain was a real challenge.

You leave the circle for 8 seconds then go back to tag it for the buff.

Ele drain from destro line, not restoring aura from templars. It's pure 300 Regen because it costs nothing to cast, and degeneration can proc it (along with your BS.). Together you'll have 2100 Regen. But like mentioned the cost reduction is killer; you need to be a Breton/Argonian or use light armor. Actually LA could work, but you might want alteration mastery before switching. Eye ghoul food would give you extra sustain and mag pool, but you lose Stam.

Even before the nerfs, the big trollplar players ran 30k health. Any higher and you lost other stats. In this patch, you do have 3 stats that can boost your dmg:
- DMG done (minor beserk+ swords)
- master at arms (BS is direct DMG lol)
- magic DMG increases (ele expert).

With those three sources you go from 43% DMG done to 66%.


Then bastion, I've found you shouldn't go past 15-16% . Reason being, the shield won't go past 18% max health, even if you tried to max out bastion. Really terrible lol. Besides going from 29k health to 21k health doesn't really impact the size; you lose like 600 shield size. But then everyone forgets blazing shield procs burning light, but don't stack enough stats to make burning light effective.

It's possible to make BS work. But probably never to return to 1T patch efficiency.

Brutusmax1mus

My bs damage before morrow without a doubt benefited greatly from more and more heath and bastion (from what i remember). Also, the regeneration lingers for 8 seconds toooo??? Whaaaaat. How have I never noticed that? Gonna check when i get home. But, the damage reduction on the shield is a true 8%since it has no armor, and indirectly buffs sustain by needing fewer recasts.

If you can't pop someone in 3 hits, 4 tops, it's not a great BS bomb imo, although my mind set may have to change to make it work.

ak_pvp

I really think they should make the shield half price and increase its damage by like 20% Make it a strong zerg bomb but not infinitely sustainable.

Sad that they killed a balanced spec just at the behest of zergs, the only thing the build was good against.

Toast_STS

I played with Vangaurds Challenge on blazing shield build during the battlegrounds PTS. It was pretty dirty but they added a lot of nerfs since then. Taking 100% more damage will make your BS explode much faster but I haven't bothered to make the build on live.

Xvorg

Well, while trying to build I found something interesting combining Warrior Poet with War Maiden. Around 30k Magicka and 35k Health 23K resistance.

OK, dmg and resources are not great but Solar Barrage helps a lot to proc skoria, same as empowering sweep. Combined with punct sweep and you'll have the whole package.

Now I have to decide in between DW or S/B

Minno

Xvorg wrote: »

Well, while trying to build I found something interesting combining Warrior Poet with War Maiden. Around 30k Magicka and 35k Health 23K resistance.

OK, dmg and resources are not great but Solar Barrage helps a lot to proc skoria, same as empowering sweep. Combined with punct sweep and you'll have the whole package.

Now I have to decide in between DW or S/B

DW will help buff your blazing shield DMG percentage
SNB will help you take less DMG.

Seems straight forward; you might run both and switch then according to how cyro plays out!

Brutusmax1mus

Are you sure dw passives and cp effect it?

Baconlad

Yeh...slimecraw buffs damage as well as DW. Master at arms, crit damage, spell pen all buff damage. Still all these thing just to get the same damage as a 70k health build with mucho worse sustain and defense from old...not worth It!

Minno

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Are you sure dw passives and cp effect it?

It should. The build editor claims it does and the tooltip suggests it's "a percentage of DMG done".

Definitely worth a major test.

Baconlad wrote: »

Yeh...slimecraw buffs damage as well as DW. Master at arms, crit damage, spell pen all buff damage. Still all these thing just to get the same damage as a 70k health build with mucho worse sustain and defense from old...not worth It!

I think you could find the sustain you need, but without a mobilty option these types of builds are somewhat locked behind the ESO vaults of extinct builds.

technohic

Yeah they nerfed a bunch of health stacking sets. Really wish blazing shield was still a thing but it’s not.

Lexxypwns

Desert Rose+Duroks+2x max health undaunted. All tri-glyphs

Desert rose is the theoretical best sustain set in the game and it has great synergy with blazing. Duroks gives you a big heal debuff to make your damage stick. You use the undaunted pieces and attributes to get your health sufficiently high.

If I were gonna run a blazeplar that’s how I’d do it

Brutusmax1mus

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Desert Rose+Duroks+2x max health undaunted. All tri-glyphs

Desert rose is the theoretical best sustain set in the game and it has great synergy with blazing. Duroks gives you a big heal debuff to make your damage stick. You use the undaunted pieces and attributes to get your health sufficiently high.

If I were gonna run a blazeplar that’s how I’d do it

I never got anything under 50k hp to work, personally. Think this gets you there?

The real issue is i remember the is a damage cap. Where it didn't matter if it crit or not, the damage stayed equivalent.

Lexxypwns

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Desert Rose+Duroks+2x max health undaunted. All tri-glyphs

Desert rose is the theoretical best sustain set in the game and it has great synergy with blazing. Duroks gives you a big heal debuff to make your damage stick. You use the undaunted pieces and attributes to get your health sufficiently high.

If I were gonna run a blazeplar that’s how I’d do it

I never got anything under 50k hp to work, personally. Think this gets you there?

The real issue is i remember the is a damage cap. Where it didn't matter if it crit or not, the damage stayed equivalent.

Off the top of my head, Should be 40k(4 lines of max HP, tri-glyphs, 64 attributes) or so with good sustain and the big duroks debuff. You could run 1 DR jewel, DR weapons and 2 light DR armor and keep 5 heavy with 2 healthy jewels to push another ~4K as well

Xvorg

Minno wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Well, while trying to build I found something interesting combining Warrior Poet with War Maiden. Around 30k Magicka and 35k Health 23K resistance.

OK, dmg and resources are not great but Solar Barrage helps a lot to proc skoria, same as empowering sweep. Combined with punct sweep and you'll have the whole package.

Now I have to decide in between DW or S/B

DW will help buff your blazing shield DMG percentage
SNB will help you take less DMG.

Seems straight forward; you might run both and switch then according to how cyro plays out!

Yup, with 2 bars should work nicely, using S/B for defense/heal and DW for DMG

Baconlad

That damage cap only seems to work in PVE for blazing shield. And it's the CRIT that is capped not the base damage of blazing. In other words, let's say you have 65k health in PVE, your blazing might hypothetically hit a mob for 10k, and crit for 10k, but if you are at 70k health in PVE, that hit might be 11k, with Crits at 11k. In crydil, I have only ever been able to achieve roughly give or take a few thousand, 10k CRITS. And ur base hit is a lot less than that.

I have tested immensely before the insanely stupid and uncalled for blazing shield nerfs. I was able to solo the first three...Or maybe two cannot remember bosses in normal AA trial.
That was at about the beginning of 2017 though...massive nerfs since then, and I have abandoned the build out of boycott to blazing shield till it's fixed.

There's no reason why a magplar with 70k health shouldn't be able to have as much damage as he did to while busting his shield, because he was utterly useless when ignored, and would go down faster than 30k health DK tank, having less heals and all.

I may attempt to resurrect the build for a bit soon...But for now in PVP it's near useless with sustain nerfs. 50k health blazing shield in order to get more sustain is *not* worth It. And for more healing, sacrificing damage CP makes the shield hit even less than it did. With magplar major mending Nerf, you cannot put as many points into damage CP...you need the blessed CP, I also would not go for any other monster than Malubeth, and SB heal and invig drain....
As for sustain, desert rose is good, but in order to stay in five to seven heavy you have to run atleast two jewels, again losing sustain. Maybe black rose if you go seven heavy. Would help ur stamina out as well. You also need orzagas mag regen drink. Unless of course you try a light armor blazing shield build desert rose, with plague jewels and weps

If you go light armor. You lose stamina regen through constitution and healing received by 8%

Minno

@Baconlad but if you go restoring focus you get the 8% healing back that somewhat "stacks" with minor mending to give 16% total healing to yourself. If you roll ice staff, with ele drain, you can get back that sweet 300 Regen that ignores block like channeled focus have you.

Arguably, the only thing you need left is stamina Regen. I think certain sets can give you that Regen back. Only problem I see is that BS was removed as a viable defense long ago by zos looking to make health interesting. I'd rather have trollplar scraped if that means they can switch our shield over to scale off max mag. Then you can see more "caster" builds that will use BS as a defense mechanic to proc a heavy hitting burning light while still have a shield to stay in jabs/dark flare/Jesus beam channels.

Lexxypwns

@Baconlad I was personally under the impression that the only dangerous BS builds were in the 40-50k HP range anyway as you didn’t have to make sacrifices to stam/mag sustain and still could get effective heals

cschwingeb14_ESO

It's not hard to run plague and a sustain set or a utility set. Personally, I think Magicka furnace on the back bar allows for the biggest "stat" setup: 5x plague, 3x endurance, 5x Magicka furnace. But Duroks is just so good for a troll tank.

Baconlad

No, there are hybrid setups, normally that run 40k health or lower. 75k health tanks are (were) bombs. They jump in expecting to die, and dish out easy 20k damage on a single enemy in a matter of three blazing shield pops, or three global dropdowns. Sometimes two depending on how lucky you are. My highest hit was 14k on a low CP. They were never really meant to be deadly, but a tool to soften a raid up with high burst for better AoE toons to dish out the vicious death proc. We soften the raid up for that. Now don't get me wrong we still can do that, although lower damage numbers and much less survivability that a year ago. More reliant on a raid to back us up.

As for healing on your toon, learn to get out. You will only be healing with shield and sword heal or invigorating drain and Malubeth. But you can't stop casting blazing shield in the middle of a zerk. You have to know when to mist out and get to cover to get ur invigorating drain off on the first guy who pops the corner with you. Bol is too inneficient, and too weak.

I just did a quick run in a solo que BG with Malubeth, five light armor desert rose, plague weeps and jewels. And it does decent. The sustain is great as expected, cost reduction from light armor and crit and spell pen are nice. The shield was about 10k, the hits felt weak...But not terrible. 60k health. If I were to build a permanent trollplar, this is what I would start with